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Bonus ball, know how I can tell it's a fail?
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I like you. I really like you! :smiling-heart:
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JC
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So BB is not only going to fail, but will bring what little is left of professional pool with it? Sweet! Would you like fries with that Ma'am?
JC
Just my opinion, but if pool players( I know, we are not important) who will watch almost any pool game will not really watch BB, how could you expect anyone in the general population to give a hoot about it. Are we to think that any investors considering a large capital outlay would not research the target audience's general interest in the game before doing so?
Like it or not, if you look at the population of AZB versus the population of APA or BCAPL/USAPL let alone the entire pool playing population then statistically AZB is not significant.
A highly vocal minority, yes.
A well informed, highly passionate group of pool nuts (myself included), yes.
The deciding factor in the success or failure of the WPBL, Mosconi Cup, US Open or anything else pool related, unfortunately no.
Not at all a ding against AZB, I enjoy the Forum and all it has to offer. I'm just speaking of the numbers involved.
We can do or not do what everyone else does... Support specific events, promoters and sponsors with your wallet or don't. Not much else really matters since all of these entities are for profit organizations.
More money = more pool
Less money = less pool
I can certainly understand the concept of proving that you can put on a show.
But the missing link is that if you can't sell it to the fans (folks like.... us) you sure are not going to sell it to Joe Six-Pack Sport Enthusiast channeling surfing through his 300+ channels. And in the era of social media, any TV or corporate honcho who buys into something like this without checking here, and a few other places, to see how your "show" is being received by the core audience would not be doing their due diligence.
Lou Figueroa
Personally I don't think pool is a very good sport for a team concept.
I know you can argue this with the Mosconi Cup.
But that is a yearly showcased event between countries already having a rivalry in place.
I'm just saying when a player is at the table seeing it his way and somebody wants to tell them their way, it is gonna go bad imo.
Your thoughts ?
I never seen Venus jump up from the sideline and tell Sarina when to charge the net !
Might be a bad example but my point would be RHYTHM. Some players like to get into a rhythm to ultimately catch a gear !!!
Outside interference is only dragging down ones performance imo.
Biggest tradition of the game is trying to catch that gear,
or watching a player catching a gear !!!
I know you can argue this with the Mosconi Cup.
But that is a yearly showcased event between countries already having a rivalry in place.
I'm just saying when a player is at the table seeing it his way and somebody wants to tell them their way, it is gonna go bad imo.
Your thoughts ?
I never seen Venus jump up from the sideline and tell Sarina when to charge the net !
Might be a bad example but my point would be RHYTHM. Some players like to get into a rhythm to ultimately catch a gear !!!
Outside interference is only dragging down ones performance imo.
Biggest tradition of the game is trying to catch that gear,
or watching a player catching a gear !!!
Joel, while I certainly agree with your statement and AZ numbers as compared to the numbers of league players in North America. We, on AZ are the ones that are here and in the know for the most part.
As has been mentioned before, ask the average league player who Efren or Earl is and they don't know, nor do they care. I can prove this in the small VNEA League that I play in. In my League, mention BB and they absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about.
And if what Lou said might be valid, if a TV exec were to do a bit of searching and hit on the largest Billiard Forum on the net, he may not be impressed with how BB is being received at the moment.
But in a world where one hit wonder, Billy Ray Sirus can be become an over night sensation with Achy Breaky Heart, well, ya'll just never know do ya.
Even if the membership on AZ is considered to be not so important, it might have been a great PR move on BBs part to lie to us and tell us that we are
just as important as any of the other targets they have in mind.
To alienate us by making statements to the contrary is just cutting your throat. Unless that is that one has Delusions of Grandeur.
As has been mentioned before, ask the average league player who Efren or Earl is and they don't know, nor do they care. I can prove this in the small VNEA League that I play in. In my League, mention BB and they absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about.
And if what Lou said might be valid, if a TV exec were to do a bit of searching and hit on the largest Billiard Forum on the net, he may not be impressed with how BB is being received at the moment.
But in a world where one hit wonder, Billy Ray Sirus can be become an over night sensation with Achy Breaky Heart, well, ya'll just never know do ya.
Even if the membership on AZ is considered to be not so important, it might have been a great PR move on BBs part to lie to us and tell us that we are
just as important as any of the other targets they have in mind.
To alienate us by making statements to the contrary is just cutting your throat. Unless that is that one has Delusions of Grandeur.
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so why don't we just wait for it to come on TV when its free.
Yo... I couldn't agree more
Nathan Mouthwhatever is a living example of someone who should be seen and not heard. His video products have been well done but his posts would piss off the Pope..... Hey, that's me
I agree that sticking a sharp stick into the collective eye of the most concentrated group of pool fans in existence would not be defined as a smart move for someone investing in BB. I'm surprised they haven't put a leash and muzzle on him.
As far as the disconnect between league players and the Pros... Wow, it,is enormous. They can tell you who dates a millionaire, the finalists on the voice, who is dancing with who but until the pros are on TV the pros will remain a secret to them.
More delusional thinking that flies in the face of all evidence. Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea, no conspiracy needed.
-roger
Cuz if it ever gets on TV, it won't be on TV in the states, it'll be overseas, and we still won't get to watch it free.
Very similar to Matchroom? That's a stretch if I ever heard one, comparing what you do to a solid (and very professional) company with many years of experience in television programming worldwide! A serious case of delusional thinking, but what else is new. I would say that the chances of BB ever appearing on any network anywhere are something close to one in a million. For sure no one will buy this show, so you are left with one option - to buy the air time and then try to sell advertising and sponsorships. Sorry to tell you that's how the real world works.
Of course in fantasy land anything's possible, even pigs can fly. My opinion remains that there is another agenda here that has nothing to do with getting on television or even ultimately succeeding as a new sports league. It has a lot more to do with raising fresh money and continuing to bankroll this "venture." Unfortunately that is also how some things often work in the real world. Let's just say that there is a possible scenario where someone walks away with a pocketful of money after BB goes bust. Works pretty good for Donald Trump time after time. I won't elaborate any further than that now.
P.S. By the way Nathan, have you ever noticed that Luke Riches of Matchroom ALWAYS makes sure to announce their events on AZ BILLIARDS. Pretty bad move I guess for an outfit that garners television ratings in the millions! Maybe the powers that be at BB could learn from the voice of experience. But I guess that you guys know better since you had 500,000 views on the second day. How do you think that affected your credibility to put hogwash like that on here?
What a disservice to this sport you and your peers have done with BB. I seriously doubt that anyone in the pool industry would hire you in the future. I know I wouldn't.
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Personally I don't think pool is a very good sport for a team concept.
I know you can argue this with the Mosconi Cup.
But that is a yearly showcased event between countries already having a rivalry in place.
I'm just saying when a player is at the table seeing it his way and somebody wants to tell them their way, it is gonna go bad imo.
Your thoughts ?
I never seen Venus jump up from the sideline and tell Sarina when to charge the net !
Might be a bad example but my point would be RHYTHM. Some players like to get into a rhythm to ultimately catch a gear !!!
Outside interference is only dragging down ones performance imo.
Biggest tradition of the game is trying to catch that gear,
or watching a player catching a gear !!!
I think it's great for team play. One thing I really miss is the league play in Germany. If that type of team competition EVER made it to America it would change pool forever in the USA for the better in my opinion.
well, it appears that I will not be watching it then.
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I would hope bonus ball doesn't have to depend on support from just people on this site as many have shown to be very hostile to any change. Its been less than a week and many are talking about what a failure it is. Of course, many of these people see bonus ball as a threat of taking money away from their pockets, so, their opinions are biased. A big problem with why pool hasn't been successful is the negativity from many who wouldn't support pro players in any form and care nothing about any type of professional pool. By their comments they actually act like they despise pro players. I really don't know much about bonus ball, but I know players have to place in the top 10 in many tournaments to just break even, and other than the very top players, have no chance of making a living by just playing tournaments, any change would at least be some hope. I also find it hard to believe that promoters of tournaments are not making money and just do it for the love of the game and to help out the players, as has been repeated many times. The best thing for the players would be many more promoters, which would mean offering much better tournament payouts to attract the players.
Best post in the thread. Luke Riches is a professional businessman. Therein lies the difference. Bonus Ball consists of Larry the Canadian, two pool players, and two cameramen from Canada.
Thank goodness for Matchroom Sports! They will always have my undivided attention and support. Why? Because they understand the pool business and operate their enterprise in a professional manner. You don't schedule events on top of other events in any professional sports endeavor.
There is something to this, I agree. The negativity and resistance to change is a bit discouraging.
However, I think many folks here, like me, have tried to keep an open mind, at least in the beginning. The BB folks have botched their end of thing from the outset. The missed dates were unfortunate, and poorly handled. The scheduling conflicts should have been forseen, and avoided, at least initially as they tried to grow their product. And the manner in which they provided infomation has been abysmal. Their PR is laughable, and has been at times insulting, arrogant and condescending.
I wanted to keep an open mind and let it play out before making a decision. I even watched a little Saturday night. (Guess when I tuned in? 15 minutes before Earl/Jeremy. How ironic.). I wanted it to be successful so that pool here in the US could grow. Sadly, it appears now that growing pool here isnt the plan, and never was.
BTW, I enjoyed what little I watched. I doubt that I would pay to watch it, but it was kinda interesting.
It's too bad that it had to go this way.
