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watchez said:
I think a major point in all of this is being missed (except by Jay). Many people keep saying that this was a bet not owned up to.

Actionhound/Jeff Kessler did not welch on a bet, he welch on a debt. Both are serious offenses but in this case Jay had to come out of pocket as there was a commitment to John Schmidt for the ring game. Obviously, if Actionhound had simply made a bet & not paid, Jay would be out $300 but not negative in his pocket.

I would suggest that we take up a collection to reimburse Jay BUT that would just enable Actionhound even more into not repaying his debt. Actionhound is full of excuses & having his debt paid for would be just another way for him to justify in his mind of not paying this. I have weighed this in my mind & don't know what is the right way to proceed. I don't want to make anything easier for Actionhound but don't feel that Jay, as part of the AZ community, should be held soley liable for being the facilitator of a group being involved in the ring game.

My thoughts are that:
1) The rest of the participants in the stake of the ring game should have stepped up to offer to repay Jay a share of the $300. They all had a potential benefit in John Schmidt being able to play in the game and even though Jay offered to be the go to guy, this was a group effort. Playing devil's advocate, Jay was the one that took Actionhound as a standup guy & agreed to late payment of his share.

2) Upon hearing of the welch by Actionhound, if I was John Schmidt myself I would have offered to pay the $300. John could easily make up the $300 at next years Derby with a few straight pool lessons for an hour.

3)I would send Jay $5 (get 60 of us to do so) and then Actionhound would not only have Jay on his back for life but 60 more people after him for the debt. Knowing Jay, I don't think he would agree to this but if not, I will surely buy him a few beers in Vegas in May to take away some of the pain.
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Thanks Watchez for pointing out what should be obvious. I did not make a bet with Actionhound. He was offered (and accepted) a share in sponsoring John. Then he reneged on his agreement.

As far as your remedies, I reject all three. I alone chose the people who joined in this enterprise. And I alone must shoulder the responsibility for choosing Actionhound to be one of them.

I have only spoken with John once briefly about this and it was during the DCC. He said he knew the guy and they weren't close friends. I never asked him to repay me the money and I won't now. John had nothing to do with me choosing Actionhound to be part of the team of backers.

I would firmly reject any attempt by the members of AZ to pay Actionhound's debt. He incurred it and he should pay it.

Thanks again for your concerns.

P.S. You are correct. John got free entry into all three divisions and a free room because we put him into the Ring Game. That was a nice bonus for him.
 
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jay helfert said:
I alone chose the people who joined in this enterprise.
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Watchez, nice thoughts, but Jay did choose to let Actionhound not pay upfront. Jay allowed himself to be Kesslered.

Sorry Jay, next time require cash or a pinkie.
 
Instead of taking up a collection to pay Jay, we should pool our money to hire a private detective to get photos of the Hound, so we can post them on AZ and other pool sites. :o :D
 
If this were my website I would never explain or attempt to justify why someone was banned.... If it's my ball I make the rules.

It's none of my business who is banned or for what reason. I can express what thoughts or emotions I'm experiencing as the result of the owners actions but the bottom line is that it is NONE of my business. Carry on.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks Watchez for pointing out what should be obvious.

I would firmly reject any attempt by the members of AZ to pay Actionhound's debt. He incurred it and he should pay it.

Thanks again for your concerns.

P.S. You are correct. John got free entry into all three divisions and a free room because we put him into the Ring Game. That was a nice bonus for him.
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Jay- the offer for a few drinks in May still stands. I hope you wouldn't refuse that.

When I staked a player (initials DH) in a ring game at the DCC, this player also offered me a share of any other DCC tournament winnings & to stay in his room for free as he knew of the added benefit. I did not until he advised me of this. One of the good guys. I didn't take him up on the room as I already had plans to stay with someone else.
 
I think it's a safe bet that should another buy-in occur, Jay will have a disclaimer along the lines of, "If your money is not received by ______ then your spot is forfeited, you are NOT involved in the buy-in and NOT entitled to any winnings".
 
shinobi said:
I think it's a safe bet that should another buy-in occur, Jay will have a disclaimer along the lines of, "If your money is not received by ______ then your spot is forfeited, you are NOT involved in the buy-in and NOT entitled to any winnings".
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You got that right baby. :)
You're never too old to learn!
 
jay helfert said:
You got that right baby. :)
You're never too old to learn!
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Not that it would ever happen, but I would find it damn amusing if you "mentioned" JK and his lameness in your television commentaries :D
 
shinobi said:
Not that it would ever happen, but I would find it damn amusing if you "mentioned" JK and his lameness in your television commentaries :D
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It doesn't belong on there. It belongs right here.
 
easy-e said:
So just because some pros do it you think it is okay? You aren't mad that you are owed money from a handful of players? I think a ban is the least that should happen to him.
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No Easy I dont think it is OK. I just want to know the CRITIREA. I would like to get some guys who owe me banned as well. But then you would have to ban a lot of people, pros included. Will Mr Wilson do that? I think it is a most unprofessional thing to do for a pro. To Welch on a bet. Just ask TAR what happened to SVB in Reno.
 
JimS said:
If this were my website I would never explain or attempt to justify why someone was banned.... If it's my ball I make the rules.

It's none of my business who is banned or for what reason. I can express what thoughts or emotions I'm experiencing as the result of the owners actions but the bottom line is that it is NONE of my business. Carry on.
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I normally don't bother justifying "why"..as it doesn't usually concern many, at least not the people who are serious and not simply being busy bodies.

In this instance though, My rational was that it was not a misunderstanding. He bluffed his way in and if he'd have won, I am sure he'd have just asked to have his "winnings" forwarded minus the front money.

He did however make it clear in my mind with his statement that he'd now pay " on his time " after he'd said check was sent....that he never had any intention of paying ever.

That said, I don't want him here.

As for other criteria, yeah, I wish I could be even more subjective at times and simply take out people I simply don't like. They all pretty much know who they are and should be less worried about why another was removed and more concerned with keeping their own nose clean so I don't have a handy justification for my wishes.

The rules are simply a guideline.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I normally don't bother justifying "why"..as it doesn't usually concern many, at least not the people who are serious and not simply being busy bodies.

In this instance though, My rational was that it was not a misunderstanding. He bluffed his way in and if he'd have won, I am sure he'd have just asked to have his "winnings" forwarded minus the front money.

He did however make it clear in my mind with his statement that he'd now pay " on his time " after he'd said check was sent....that he never had any intention of paying ever.

That said, I don't want him here.

As for other criteria, yeah, I wish I could be even more subjective at times and simply take out people I simply don't like. They all pretty much know who they are and should be less worried about why another was removed and more concerned with keeping their own nose clean so I don't have a handy justification for my wishes.

The rules are simply a guideline.
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Mr Wilson my nose is very clean. And if you are threatening those that have questions about criteria that is wrong. You are the law and we must obey. Other than that we have a right to question with the thought of clarification. Not being "busybodies".
 
ever since bill clinton got the blow job from monica and minced up words to bullshit his way out of it, this whole society we live in is doing just that, read this and remember Jay is my GOOD freind:


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Originally Posted by watchez
I think a major point in all of this is being missed (except by Jay). Many people keep saying that this was a bet not owned up to.

Actionhound/Jeff Kessler did not welch on a bet, he welch on a debt. Both are serious offenses but in this case Jay had to come out of pocket as there was a commitment to John Schmidt for the ring game. Obviously, if Actionhound had simply made a bet & not paid, Jay would be out $300 but not negative in his pocket.

I would suggest that we take up a collection to reimburse Jay BUT that would just enable Actionhound even more into not repaying his debt. Actionhound is full of excuses & having his debt paid for would be just another way for him to justify in his mind of not paying this. I have weighed this in my mind & don't know what is the right way to proceed. I don't want to make anything easier for Actionhound but don't feel that Jay, as part of the AZ community, should be held soley liable for being the facilitator of a group being involved in the ring game.

My thoughts are that:
1) The rest of the participants in the stake of the ring game should have stepped up to offer to repay Jay a share of the $300. They all had a potential benefit in John Schmidt being able to play in the game and even though Jay offered to be the go to guy, this was a group effort. Playing devil's advocate, Jay was the one that took Actionhound as a standup guy & agreed to late payment of his share.

2) Upon hearing of the welch by Actionhound, if I was John Schmidt myself I would have offered to pay the $300. John could easily make up the $300 at next years Derby with a few straight pool lessons for an hour.

3)I would send Jay $5 (get 60 of us to do so) and then Actionhound would not only have Jay on his back for life but 60 more people after him for the debt. Knowing Jay, I don't think he would agree to this but if not, I will surely buy him a few beers in Vegas in May to take away some of the pain.


Thanks Watchez for pointing out what should be obvious. I did not make a bet with Actionhound. He was offered (and accepted) a share in sponsoring John. Then he reneged on his agreement.

As far as your remedies, I reject all three. I alone chose the people who joined in this enterprise. And I alone must shoulder the responsibility for choosing Actionhound to be one of them.

I have only spoken with John once briefly about this and it was during the DCC. He said he knew the guy and they weren't close friends. I never asked him to repay me the money and I won't now. John had nothing to do with me choosing Actionhound to be part of the team of backers.

I would firmly reject any attempt by the members of AZ to pay Actionhound's debt. He incurred it and he should pay it.

Thanks again for your concerns.

P.S. You are correct. John got free entry into all three divisions and a free room because we put him into the Ring Game. That was a nice bonus for him.

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Everyone these days sounds like a lawyer chopping up words, lets all get back to basics OK? Jay got "AIR BARRELED" simple as that. its over learn from it and be done with it. EVERYONE is trying to be a lawyer these days!!!!!!!



SORRY IM ON A RANT TODAY, I"M JUST IN A BAD MOOD CAUSE I CANT GET OUT OF THE HOUSE,

PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR THIS
 
Fatboy said:
ever since bill clinton got the blow job from monica and minced up words to bullshit his way out of it, this whole society we live in is doing just that, read this and remember Jay is my GOOD freind:


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Originally Posted by watchez
I think a major point in all of this is being missed (except by Jay). Many people keep saying that this was a bet not owned up to.

Actionhound/Jeff Kessler did not welch on a bet, he welch on a debt. Both are serious offenses but in this case Jay had to come out of pocket as there was a commitment to John Schmidt for the ring game. Obviously, if Actionhound had simply made a bet & not paid, Jay would be out $300 but not negative in his pocket.

I would suggest that we take up a collection to reimburse Jay BUT that would just enable Actionhound even more into not repaying his debt. Actionhound is full of excuses & having his debt paid for would be just another way for him to justify in his mind of not paying this. I have weighed this in my mind & don't know what is the right way to proceed. I don't want to make anything easier for Actionhound but don't feel that Jay, as part of the AZ community, should be held soley liable for being the facilitator of a group being involved in the ring game.

My thoughts are that:
1) The rest of the participants in the stake of the ring game should have stepped up to offer to repay Jay a share of the $300. They all had a potential benefit in John Schmidt being able to play in the game and even though Jay offered to be the go to guy, this was a group effort. Playing devil's advocate, Jay was the one that took Actionhound as a standup guy & agreed to late payment of his share.

2) Upon hearing of the welch by Actionhound, if I was John Schmidt myself I would have offered to pay the $300. John could easily make up the $300 at next years Derby with a few straight pool lessons for an hour.

3)I would send Jay $5 (get 60 of us to do so) and then Actionhound would not only have Jay on his back for life but 60 more people after him for the debt. Knowing Jay, I don't think he would agree to this but if not, I will surely buy him a few beers in Vegas in May to take away some of the pain.


Thanks Watchez for pointing out what should be obvious. I did not make a bet with Actionhound. He was offered (and accepted) a share in sponsoring John. Then he reneged on his agreement.

As far as your remedies, I reject all three. I alone chose the people who joined in this enterprise. And I alone must shoulder the responsibility for choosing Actionhound to be one of them.

I have only spoken with John once briefly about this and it was during the DCC. He said he knew the guy and they weren't close friends. I never asked him to repay me the money and I won't now. John had nothing to do with me choosing Actionhound to be part of the team of backers.

I would firmly reject any attempt by the members of AZ to pay Actionhound's debt. He incurred it and he should pay it.

Thanks again for your concerns.

P.S. You are correct. John got free entry into all three divisions and a free room because we put him into the Ring Game. That was a nice bonus for him.

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Everyone these days sounds like a lawyer chopping up words, lets all get back to basics OK? Jay got "AIR BARRELED" simple as that. its over learn from it and be done with it. EVERYONE is trying to be a lawyer these days!!!!!!!



SORRY IM ON A RANT TODAY, I"M JUST IN A BAD MOOD CAUSE I CANT GET OUT OF THE HOUSE,

PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR THIS
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Ok you can just get off with a warning this time. :p
 
Fatboy said:
ever since bill clinton got the blow job from monica and minced up words to bullshit his way out of it, this whole society we live in is doing just that, read this and remember Jay is my GOOD freind:



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Everyone these days sounds like a lawyer chopping up words, lets all get back to basics OK? Jay got "AIR BARRELED" simple as that. its over learn from it and be done with it. EVERYONE is trying to be a lawyer these days!!!!!!!



SORRY IM ON A RANT TODAY, I"M JUST IN A BAD MOOD CAUSE I CANT GET OUT OF THE HOUSE,

PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR THIS
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That is a rant?
 
Fatboy said:
PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR THIS
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That does it, Fatboy... Consider yourself, On Notice! :D

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