Butterflys at its best!
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No need to apologize. You hit the nail right on the head. I completely understand that there is a great deal of work in this cue. This is no small feat for ANY cuemaker. And yes! Richard has been at the forefront of cuemaking and the artistry behind it for YEARS! Does that mean he never makes a mistake? According to some, yeah. It means EXACTLY that. Does that mean when he does make a mistake it should be overlooked? According to some, yeah. Wait. He never makes mistakes. I forgot.
So perhaps I was wrong for using the word 'flaw'. I wasn't trying to knock the work in the cue. I was simply stating that there is an inconsistency in the design. Perhaps it WAS by design. I don't really see why such a miniscule variation that was likely unnoticed by most would be done by design. But hey! Maybe it was. Either way, the work in the cue is incredible. There is no denying that. I'm glad the new owner loves it! Congrats to whomever it may be!
How does it play?
he started at 4;30 am and he finished at 5;10 pm there was at least 2 or there days in between!.
Richard is in my opinion the world greatest artist in the cue industry. and i can say that coming from all my discussions with the worlds largest collectors and the worlds finest cue makers!
I remember a conversation with denny Glenn ( the glenn family collectors) when i was green ( and still am in many ways) and he told me verbatim that richards cues will be the most sought after in the next 20 years because of what he has done in the industry. and i told him that was a steep claim. he responded " it wasn't too long ago people said i was out of my mind investing in balabushkas at 300-500 each! lol
you can put my quote in a book and tell me how good my investment info was in 10 years, i have made more at cues than any other investment while our country has crumbled under our feet!
Richard made a cue few years back where he made a round handle look square. In the pictures, this seems to have a similar affect. I appreciate the cuts in the center of the handle. Looks recut in a way.
I remember hearing someone say that Richard is one of the most prolific cuemakers out there, coming up with so many different designs. A byproduct of this is that there are bound to be a few "dogs" in the bunch. Not so with this cue. Thanks for sharing.
I remember hearing someone say that Richard is one of the most prolific cuemakers out there, coming up with so many different designs. A byproduct of this is that there are bound to be a few "dogs" in the bunch. Not so with this cue. Thanks for sharing.
No doubt, Sick work cue there from Mr. Black..
I, personally, am sick of hearing people criticize and pass judgement on things they don't know squat about,
in places where their criticism was not wanted or expected,
I may be wrong,but it is my understanding that this forum is for people to show cues to us for our enjoyment.not our cynical comments.
This cue is so complex and intricate that it deserves our admiration,my compliments to Richard for his work,
I had no idea that he was this talented,I have never seen such a cue.
My further compliments go out to Bill Grassly of Cornerstone for showing this cue to us as a courtesy.
The least we could do our show common sense and decency by either complimenting
his efforts or refraining from replying
Didn't mother always say
Don't say anything if you can't say something nice
or something like that.
I also remember a quote by Teddy Roosevelt "Its not the critic who counts but the guy
in the trenches who is putting his life on the line
If anyone has the quote it might be profitable
Again thanks to Bill with the advice
Don't let the turkeys get you down
Please continue showing your cues,it is the only chance most
of us ever get to see such works of art
Yesterday at the pool room ,players whobarely can afford a sneaky pete were
excited and happy to talk about the many fine cues they saw
Chances are good they will never buy a cue from Bill
but they are delighted to see them
in places where their criticism was not wanted or expected,
I may be wrong,but it is my understanding that this forum is for people to show cues to us for our enjoyment.not our cynical comments.
This cue is so complex and intricate that it deserves our admiration,my compliments to Richard for his work,
I had no idea that he was this talented,I have never seen such a cue.
My further compliments go out to Bill Grassly of Cornerstone for showing this cue to us as a courtesy.
The least we could do our show common sense and decency by either complimenting
his efforts or refraining from replying
Didn't mother always say
Don't say anything if you can't say something nice
or something like that.
I also remember a quote by Teddy Roosevelt "Its not the critic who counts but the guy
in the trenches who is putting his life on the line
If anyone has the quote it might be profitable
Again thanks to Bill with the advice
Don't let the turkeys get you down
Please continue showing your cues,it is the only chance most
of us ever get to see such works of art
Yesterday at the pool room ,players whobarely can afford a sneaky pete were
excited and happy to talk about the many fine cues they saw
Chances are good they will never buy a cue from Bill
but they are delighted to see them
well said sir! :thumbup:
thanks dean your a great man! I vote dean as moderator!!!
oh yea
Didn't mother always say
Don't say anything if you can't say something nice
quote was from the walt disney movie Bambi by thumper!!
"if you cant say nothin nice dont say nothin at all" thumper!
thanks dean
oh yea
Didn't mother always say
Don't say anything if you can't say something nice
quote was from the walt disney movie Bambi by thumper!!
"if you cant say nothin nice dont say nothin at all" thumper!
thanks dean
wilson is a good man for moderator
his is a political job,it requires tempering judgement with common sense,forbearance and diplomacy.
Some may find fault with his decisions or lack thereof,but i am not one of those
I reviewed some of my post and discovered that i would have kicked me off in at least 2 separate places
best wishes and please keep showing the pictures,I enjoy reading and seeing your post
As a side,
I was with Verl Horn in Vegas some years back
a certain critical buyer kept pointing out flaws with the cues Verl made
Steam was coming out of Verl's ears,finally he looked the guy in the eye
and said"Son this is a custom cue,theres a lot of hand work here,that difficult to do and expensive,sure its not perfect there's humans involved,if you want a perfect cue get yourself a schon from Dean'
There was wisdom in those words
and by the way I have some schons again
his is a political job,it requires tempering judgement with common sense,forbearance and diplomacy.
Some may find fault with his decisions or lack thereof,but i am not one of those
I reviewed some of my post and discovered that i would have kicked me off in at least 2 separate places
best wishes and please keep showing the pictures,I enjoy reading and seeing your post
As a side,
I was with Verl Horn in Vegas some years back
a certain critical buyer kept pointing out flaws with the cues Verl made
Steam was coming out of Verl's ears,finally he looked the guy in the eye
and said"Son this is a custom cue,theres a lot of hand work here,that difficult to do and expensive,sure its not perfect there's humans involved,if you want a perfect cue get yourself a schon from Dean'
There was wisdom in those words
and by the way I have some schons again
Dear Bill, Dean, Steve, Paul, and all the Richard Black fanatics I offended with my comments earlier:
You must understand, I'm not trying to slam the cuemaker. Not even a little. Not
one bit. I suppose using the word "flaw" was a mistake. I just didn't
understand why such a minute detail would be done deliberately. That's all. I
really admire the amount of work in this cue and the hours it must have taken to
execute a design like this!!!
Allow me to apologize to all the Richard Black fans. I’m not knocking Richard. In fact, I
love a lot of Richard’s cues. He’s a true artist and he makes near flawless cues. They are
literally works of art.
Really. I'm not trying to slam Richard Black. Or Bill. There was just something I didn't
expect to see in a cue of this calibre. Now maybe it was part of the design
to have an extra veneer. If so, cool then mission accomplished and once
again, another flawless Richard Black cue! I just didn't see how that would
really add anything to the design so I assumed that the inconsistency was NOT
deliberate. But if it was then there is nothing more to say except that this cue was
executed perfectly! In every way! Design, execution, overall look, etc.. I certainly
didn't mean to offend all of the loyal and rabid Richard Black fans! My bad!
You must understand, I'm not trying to slam the cuemaker. Not even a little. Not
one bit. I suppose using the word "flaw" was a mistake. I just didn't
understand why such a minute detail would be done deliberately. That's all. I
really admire the amount of work in this cue and the hours it must have taken to
execute a design like this!!!
Allow me to apologize to all the Richard Black fans. I’m not knocking Richard. In fact, I
love a lot of Richard’s cues. He’s a true artist and he makes near flawless cues. They are
literally works of art.
Really. I'm not trying to slam Richard Black. Or Bill. There was just something I didn't
expect to see in a cue of this calibre. Now maybe it was part of the design
to have an extra veneer. If so, cool then mission accomplished and once
again, another flawless Richard Black cue! I just didn't see how that would
really add anything to the design so I assumed that the inconsistency was NOT
deliberate. But if it was then there is nothing more to say except that this cue was
executed perfectly! In every way! Design, execution, overall look, etc.. I certainly
didn't mean to offend all of the loyal and rabid Richard Black fans! My bad!
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i am not a richard black fan,i rarely see one of his cues
i met him 2 or 3 times,i do like what i see
i am not ashamed to be a fan of grassly though
my complaint is with people pointing out a minor blemish
for no good reason
even if it did exist
there was no call for a critic or detective
just a senseless statement that has the effect of peeing in the punchbowl
all the fun is over because some well meaning know it all has reminded us that nothing is
perfect
as if we all didn't know that in the first place
these galleries are not the place for that
or at least this gallery and the fs one
there may be such a place for knockers heaven,
but i don't care to visit it
i guess i don't have the gift of discouragement
i met him 2 or 3 times,i do like what i see
i am not ashamed to be a fan of grassly though
my complaint is with people pointing out a minor blemish
for no good reason
even if it did exist
there was no call for a critic or detective
just a senseless statement that has the effect of peeing in the punchbowl
all the fun is over because some well meaning know it all has reminded us that nothing is
perfect
as if we all didn't know that in the first place
these galleries are not the place for that
or at least this gallery and the fs one
there may be such a place for knockers heaven,
but i don't care to visit it
i guess i don't have the gift of discouragement
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Hi,
I am not sure but I believe it was Bill Stroud that said he has never made a cue that was perfect and was not flawed in some minor way that he knew about personally.
I have only made about 140 cues myself and the more detailed I get in my process control and personal execution, the more I can see things that I did not pay micro attention to before. Cue making is like basket weaving to those in a nut house. The more you try to get there the more the horizon stretches. And that's a beautiful thing.
I don't know Mia but I can see the point from a non cue maker. I don't think it was said to put down Richard in any way and the apology speaks to that fact.
To close my point I would say this, when I view someone else's work as a cue maker I always do so with the point of view of a non cue maker and don't eye up every single detail like I would do so when I sum up one of my own finished cues.
"Feathers" needs to be just the way it is because if it were perfect symmetry it would not be as beautiful as is nature in all it's wonder. Richard is a great artist and I am sure his eye and brain sees the beauty and feels good about every detail of this great accomplishment unconditionally.
He just raised the bar of expectation for all of us with this great cue.
Rick G
PS. I am glad I don't do butterflies because that feathers is a hard act to follow. :help:
I am not sure but I believe it was Bill Stroud that said he has never made a cue that was perfect and was not flawed in some minor way that he knew about personally.
I have only made about 140 cues myself and the more detailed I get in my process control and personal execution, the more I can see things that I did not pay micro attention to before. Cue making is like basket weaving to those in a nut house. The more you try to get there the more the horizon stretches. And that's a beautiful thing.
I don't know Mia but I can see the point from a non cue maker. I don't think it was said to put down Richard in any way and the apology speaks to that fact.
To close my point I would say this, when I view someone else's work as a cue maker I always do so with the point of view of a non cue maker and don't eye up every single detail like I would do so when I sum up one of my own finished cues.
"Feathers" needs to be just the way it is because if it were perfect symmetry it would not be as beautiful as is nature in all it's wonder. Richard is a great artist and I am sure his eye and brain sees the beauty and feels good about every detail of this great accomplishment unconditionally.
He just raised the bar of expectation for all of us with this great cue.
Rick G
PS. I am glad I don't do butterflies because that feathers is a hard act to follow. :help:
the first cue is squared , it appears to be square but it is round and did win choice award! the one with the lion heads is a thomas wayne and i sold that last year to a geat collector