Can You Beat Yu Ram Cha???????????
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I tried to find that match on Youtube, but couldn't. Anyone have it???
I don't know Kevin. I really haven't watched a lot of her matches. If you forced me to guess, I would guess that she would win more often than I would, unless she decided to play me some one pocket. :smile:
JoeyA,
Of all the people here on AZ, you above most have my utmost respect (not trying to kiss your arse!), so I went back and watched again (admittedly skipped to the parts I was thinking of...). I think there were several factors that lead me to think that she had a "puzzled" or "confused" look a lot of times...numerous missed "easy" shots - or ones that I would consider easy for someone at that level...the scratch at 12:59 - granted the shot buzzer was going off as she was shooting...numerous uses of extensions during the match when it didn't really seem they were necessary - I think this was the biggie for me - this one lead me to believe she didn't have the confidence or commitment to the shot to pull the trigger.
By all means, I don't know her game...perhaps that's how she always plays...and again just trying to explain my comment...the other biggie for me was the missed safety starting at 19:52 - that's really where it came across (TO ME) as a look of confusion...
It definitely wouldn't be the first time I couldn't "read" what a woman was thinking...and it probably won't be the last!
I agree that at times Yu Ram didn't have the confidence to pot the shot and it probably showed if not on her face then in her shot. The extensions were utilized by both players more often than was absolutely necessary. I even noticed Shane wincing at the noise of the shot clock when Yu Ram was shooting.
This is an important tournament and the pressure was on.
I didnt have a chance to look at the timelines you noted but will try to do so another time.
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JoeyA
if you can make two balls in a row then you have a chance of beating anyone else in the world on a BB short race.......... I mean just look at the recent USBTC, not knocking any of the people that cashed but you don't honestly imagine those same results would appear in say the US Open or DCC? BB could be anybody's game
My connection is kinda slow today, and I didn't get to read through the thread, but I wanted to add some thoughts....
I think the level of women's play is overrated.... by kind of a long shot too to be perfectly honest. Somebody in this thread for example, mentioned J. Lee giving a "great player" 250 balls in straight pool going to 500 (I think he said 500). I've seen her play straight pool many times.... anyway, that is way out of line, her game simply just isn't that strong.
Here is how I think we got to this point of overrating them:
#1 They all live in these "worlds" where they are like queens and pool gods. Confidence is EVERYTHING in sports, anybody who has been successful knows this. These girls also have everybody in the world constantly telling then how great they are -- not knocking it, great psychology, but it is just the point. Let's face it, this isn't tennis.... women should be in there fighting the men. It is my contention that if they were, everyday, they'd know their place, the beat downs would come swiftly, the confidence would wane and their true speed would be known. In short, it is this fairy tale land they live in, people pumping them up, not having to play the best and get the beatdowns, that accounts for a lot of their confidence. I love Ga Young Kim, and watched her play in a local tournament. She did some impressive things, i'll admit. She didn't win (doesn't mean anything), but the important point to me was, she just seemed to kinda disregard her defeat "I woulda never missed that ball in one of my real events" -- it just seemed kinda la la land, like a convenient way to go through your competitive life. Do well in her "real" women's events, and everything else is just me messing around.
Again, I liked her game a lot, but i'd just simply like to see what these women are truly made of!! And, I get this feeling that most if them DON'T want to see what they are made of, they enjoy la la land (I don't blame them).
#2 Everybody sees them play on the easiest damn equipment in the world! New cloth, perfectly level tables, big pockets. I've seen this on TV many times. This is true of the men too, but do I even need to go there? You get the point.
Take any very strong "hardened" short stop, and I think even the best of these girls would have trouble giving him the 8 on "real" equipment for the cheese. Take the average strong short stop, have him match up playing one pocket and its a bloodbath. Women's pool is getting a lot better, i'll give it that, but there is still a long long way to go. That is just my opinion, and I did my best to lay out the reasons as to why.
I think the level of women's play is overrated.... by kind of a long shot too to be perfectly honest. Somebody in this thread for example, mentioned J. Lee giving a "great player" 250 balls in straight pool going to 500 (I think he said 500). I've seen her play straight pool many times.... anyway, that is way out of line, her game simply just isn't that strong.
Here is how I think we got to this point of overrating them:
#1 They all live in these "worlds" where they are like queens and pool gods. Confidence is EVERYTHING in sports, anybody who has been successful knows this. These girls also have everybody in the world constantly telling then how great they are -- not knocking it, great psychology, but it is just the point. Let's face it, this isn't tennis.... women should be in there fighting the men. It is my contention that if they were, everyday, they'd know their place, the beat downs would come swiftly, the confidence would wane and their true speed would be known. In short, it is this fairy tale land they live in, people pumping them up, not having to play the best and get the beatdowns, that accounts for a lot of their confidence. I love Ga Young Kim, and watched her play in a local tournament. She did some impressive things, i'll admit. She didn't win (doesn't mean anything), but the important point to me was, she just seemed to kinda disregard her defeat "I woulda never missed that ball in one of my real events" -- it just seemed kinda la la land, like a convenient way to go through your competitive life. Do well in her "real" women's events, and everything else is just me messing around.
Again, I liked her game a lot, but i'd just simply like to see what these women are truly made of!! And, I get this feeling that most if them DON'T want to see what they are made of, they enjoy la la land (I don't blame them).
#2 Everybody sees them play on the easiest damn equipment in the world! New cloth, perfectly level tables, big pockets. I've seen this on TV many times. This is true of the men too, but do I even need to go there? You get the point.
Take any very strong "hardened" short stop, and I think even the best of these girls would have trouble giving him the 8 on "real" equipment for the cheese. Take the average strong short stop, have him match up playing one pocket and its a bloodbath. Women's pool is getting a lot better, i'll give it that, but there is still a long long way to go. That is just my opinion, and I did my best to lay out the reasons as to why.
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Wow...I honestly think this is a very valid point Chinchilla! There are so many sports where women cannot compete on the same level as men due to differing physical attributes (sorry...but like it or not, that's the truth).
However, pool is not a "physically demanding" sport where strength or speed is a factor. Why SHOULDN'T they be playing in the same league????
Remember that match with Shane was in 2009. She has progressed a lot in the last three years.
Lots of folks want to post their opinions on why women are overrated or their proofs for why women don't play as well as men. My question pertained really to how far down in the mens' rankings we would have to go to achieve parity with the top women's players and other than Chris (who we all know is WAY willing to match up) we haven't had one poster that thinks he would have the best of it against Yu Ram Cha or Jasmin Ouschen (unless we count the guys that seem to think they COULD play as well as the gals if only blah blah blah).
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Kevin
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back in the '80s when I was playing my best and every day I think I would have had a good chance of beating the top women of today here and there but not dominate them.To put it in perspective I would play Neptune Joe Frady-Jimmy Fusco and players of that level with me getting the 8 in 9 ball.
With all due respect, I think the top woman of today are better than that. Allison Fisher and Co. are not just ordinary A players, they should dust any A player. For example, on the predator tour Jennifer Baretta is rated above the semi pro/open class(along with the pro men).
Lenny
Nice. An opinion based on direct evidence, a rarity here in AZland.
Although, I'm not sure the talent pool is deep enough in Women pool to figure the 24th ranked person (Iris) plays just like the 8th and 9th (Yu Ram and Jasmin). Even by your own rating, my 2 players would be A while Iris would be B.
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Kevin
And even at that, I think Jennifer (raked 55th) is in real trouble matching up against Yu Ram Cha or Jasmin.
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Kevin
I have watched most of the women players and I think when Allison Fisher is playing her best she is on a higher level then the other women. Simply of the fact that she has incredible cue ball control.
Kevin, I think Iris is only rated 24th because she has not played in so long, have not seen or heard anything about her in well over a year and change.
Like I said if Jeanette Lee and Shane play I am betting on Shane even if he is giving her say the 5 out. Remember when he wins a game and starts breaking then he is in control. I think if Allison Fisher played Shane getting the 7 out she would hate life. Bartram chimed in here, I believe he would give up the 7 out to any female player not in the top 10 and maybe he might give them all that. Perhaps Chris can chime in and tell us what he thinks about the above, what he could give and what Shane could give. What would Shane have to give Jennifer?, probably the 5 out and he would be the favorite. You can take Shane and he is able to give some of the lower pros the 7 out and win, those guys can give weight to most if not all the ladies so someone of Shanes ability will be giving up unreal weight. Iris plays better then Jennifer and she got the 7 out from Frost and he is not a top rotation player so what does that tell you?
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Lenny
The state of high-level tournament competition for both sexes is a shame. You've really got to do some world traveling to stay in action and with the lack of sponsorship and low purses, globe trotting is out of the question. Without a tournament stage, we won't have stars, and without stars, no big purses and sponsorship.
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That is what I figured with Iris, she played at the top level in female cue sports and was not making it so I think she just quit. Imagine being in Manila and saying I just need to go to the US and I will make the money, you get here and pay a ton of money in expenses and have to win the whole thing just to make a few bucks. I do not believe she plays anymore.
Cha
Really now.. We all know there is NO real money in pool. I love to watch Cha play, along with many others.. My hat is off to them. I can only think they are following their dreams, existing on pool money, being champions at a sport they love. I know I am not playing in front of a crowd, people holding signs with my name on them.. Why not just support them, and our sport? I know if I was Cha , and read this thread I would feel that many were trying to tear me down.. I say play hard, give it your best,because life IS too short! -B :thumbup:
Really now.. We all know there is NO real money in pool. I love to watch Cha play, along with many others.. My hat is off to them. I can only think they are following their dreams, existing on pool money, being champions at a sport they love. I know I am not playing in front of a crowd, people holding signs with my name on them.. Why not just support them, and our sport? I know if I was Cha , and read this thread I would feel that many were trying to tear me down.. I say play hard, give it your best,because life IS too short! -B :thumbup:
I dont see why you are comparing them all to shane, none of that has anything to do with tournament ratings. Playing for cash is entirely different. Can you show me some tournaments where the top woman in the world are being rated as lowly A's? Cause like, I want in on the calcutta!