Cheating Stories- The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly.

I am playing in a local tournament and playing what the tournament has ranked as a D player....now to me a D is someone who barely knows how to hold the cue...I am a C...the guy wins the first game running 4 balls to do so after a miss by me..this making the score 3-0 (I have to spot him 2 in a race to 7) .I then bear down and win the next 6 in a row...including a 3 foul...the guy combos a 9 ball and moves his bead...breaks the next rack and halfway thru i lose control and scratch knowing this "D" can run 4-5 balls... I look over at the beads to confirm this isnt the end of the world...to find the score is now 6-5. I look around in astonishment....I look to the rail and point at the beads....they express amazement to and the guy finishes running the 4 balls and now it is a hill hill match...we get down to the 9 and proceed to have a 6-7 turn safety battle..which i won...and then missed the 9...

Incidentally the D ended up finishing 7th in a 41 field tournament..


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college Days

I went to a college that boosted 35,000+ students. This university had a large student union, part of which was a pool room with dozens of 9' Gold Crowns. At the beginning of each semester my friends and I would gather at this pool room waiting for any new "students" in need of an "education".

This one time we passed this new kid around until he lost all of the money his parents had given him for living expenses, for the whole semester, housing , food, everything. The last thing we heard him say was his parents were gonna kill him. We never saw him again, and I hope it turned out OK for him in the long run. We didn't cheat him, but we did take advantage of him.



Another time time in college we did the two brothers scam on an older guy (maybe 50) in a bar. I had a drop dead pretty girl friend and it wasn't hard for her to smile her way into anything. With her help we convinced this guy everything was on the up and up. The bartender cashed this old guys paycheck for him and we proceeded to make sure he lost every bit of it.
In the end he knew he had been taken, but it was to late.


Thirty years later I still feel bad about these two scenarios, but they served to make me a very honest pool player today. Hard but honest.
 
Cdryden said:
Great topic.

I was playing at a tavern for a couple of drinks. I had been doing well all night and controlling the table. So here comes this guy and wants to bet 25 on a race to 5. I said sure and broke the balls. After winning the first 4 games I tell him I'm heading to the bathroom and I'll be right back. I start to walk into the bathroom (that's about 30 feet away from the table) and notice its full so I wait outside. I look over at my table just in time to see this guy lick his finger and stick it into the chalk!
So I finish my business and return to the table. Noticing that there is only 1 piece of chalk at this crappy tavern, I decided to act like I was chalking after every shot but don't and just use center ball hits.
This confuses the guy into thinking the chalk is ok now and after I play a nice safety he decides to use his own tainted chalk.
Sure enough genius boy miscues and I take BIH and the win the set. After he pays me I told him that the chalk at this place sucks!
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I didn't expect this thread to be so entertaining. This is just one of several I thought were funny. Great idea JoeyA.

Sorry I don't have any cheating stories myself, guess I've just been lucky. I do have a couple of times I gave it up to my friend when we were playing for fun. This is just one example, but they were all similar. We've played a lot so it's not like it happened often in the overall scheme of things. It was a carom shot, which I made, and he says foul because I hit the pocketed ball first and that furthermore I couldn't even have made the shot if I hit the object ball first (in 9-ball). I say I could, and did make the shot legally, and all it needed was some good top spin. He says "Oh of course YOU would say that". The two balls were about 3 inches apart so it wasn't a tough call but I don't think he was even paying attention when I hit it. I tried to tell him the cue wouldn't even have hit the object ball until after it hit the rail if I hit the wrong ball first and the object ball would have gone in a totally different direction. He wouldn't have any of that and I gave that one up since it was just for fun and he wasn't having a good day.
 
Many years back I used to play this guy they called the Preacher. He liked playing eight ball, a game that I had way the best of. One day this stranger came over and sat next to our table to watch. He sat there watching for a good while.

At one point in time I excused myself for a bathroom break. After I returned and took my shot this stranger leans over to me and said that when I went to the restroom the Preacher cheated and moved some balls with his hand. I then whispered to him that that's why I go to the rest room.
 
Not cheating, but a very amusing story that was this:


During a decent local tournament a loud drunk comes in offering to play anyone in the room for $100 a game. Well a few people wonder if he's hustling and one guy that just plays OK agrees to play him for $20. At that time another GOOD player, we'll call him Steve, side bets the other $80 with him. The stranger loses a few games and begins to complain that he is losing $80 each game to the good player.

Stranger says, "You have a guy playing for you. I want one playing for me."

Bettor says, "OK pick somebody."

The stranger picks the guy who came with Steve and wants to bet one game for $1,000. Steve of course agrees because he cannot lose. The guy gets up to play and is actually running out. Everyone in the room knows what is going on and keeps thinking, when is he gonna miss. It finally dawns on him that he is supposed to lose and his eyes got big and an awakening moment happened. Everyone in the room could hardly contain it when he realized and immediately dogged the ball.
 
The Saw said:
My story is also about a very highly talented player who will remain anonymous for the time being. Lets imagine he has a very common name like, lets say, hmmmmmm, Adam Smith....

We're playing in an 8-ball tourney last weekend. I break dry and the balls are all jumbled up and there is zero chance of getting out which ever side you take. I joke with him that that was my safety break. At the foot end of the table is the 1 and 8. They are off angle from each other about 3/8" apart, see below.

If I was left with the layout I would have made a solid and played safe because if you take stripes you have to play pinpoint position on the 8 to not foul the 1 ball. He chooses stripes and starts planing his attack. Three different times he comes to the side of the table, gets down at table level, eyeballs the 8 ball, and points to where he needs the cueball to be (dead straight in). Either side of the straight in line and it doesn't go.... So he proceeds to try to get out and fails to break out a cluster up table. He is left shooting over the 8-ball at a ball up table. As he is addressing the shot he drops his cue on the 8 and it moves forward about 4 inches.

I tell him to move it back. He moves it back 2 inches when it really rolled 4....... It now goes easy from literally half of the table!

I'm like "Really??? Cmon??? Is that where you really think it was?".

He says "Yeah, it went easy."

I'm like "If it went so easy why did you get down and eagle eye it 3 different times?".

He's like "Where do you think it was?"

I point to the exact spot....

He says "If you have to lie and cheat to win, go ahead and put it where you think it was....". Then as I go to move it back he tells me "The reason you don't play good anymore and can't get back to where you were is you're WEAK!!! And since you're weak, you have to lie and cheat to win!!!".

This sets me dead on tilt..... Since he dead tried to f me by moving the ball back 2 of the 4 inches and then slanders me, I move the ball back to where it was plus about an 1/8" further to where it doesn't go. Had he not got personal with the insults I would have moved it back to the exact spot.

The he starts really coming with insults and slander.... Then it turns into a 2-3 minute jaw fest. I win from there.... And get the public opinion vote from those that witnessed it....
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ur weak....... hahahaha:smile:
 
JoeyA said:
I'd like to hear stories about you being cheated or stories where you have cheated others, no matter what your reasons.

My story is about a very highly talented player who will remain anonymous for the time being. :D

I was playing pool with a very good player who was giving me an enormous spot at one pocket. It's been a long time ago and I don't remember the exact spot but it was a few balls as I recall. Anyway, I am giving the guy a run for his money and I can see he is feeling the pressure of the spot and know I have a small chance of winning. This guy seldom loses as he almost always matches up better than most.

I am in the process of running out and winning an important game on the hill and in the process of placing my bridge hand on the table and getting ready for the shot, I accidentally touch one ball and move it about one-half inch. I tell my opponent because in one pocket, your opponent has the right to put the object ball back where it was or to leave it where the moved ball lies. My opponent comes back over to put the ball back where it was originally and moves the moved object ball into a position so that I no longer have a shot at my hole. He moves the object ball a few inches from where it originally sat and I'm like waiting for him to say he is joking but only silence. Finally, I ask him nicely, if he is joking and he says he thinks that is where the object ball originally lay. I then tell him to go F*** himself and immediately quit, not paying and hoping he would attempt to collect for the set I quit on. I don't like outright cheaters and this guy is a known scoundrel who will do anything to win.

This isn't Father Joey asking you to tell your stories about your own personal cheating stories :angel: but if you have one to share it could be fun to share them for posterity as well as the ones where you have been cheated; however if you tell one about yourself, I may offer my brand of absolution.
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The obvious way to avoid this type of incident is to make EVERY table foul a FOUL. I never play anyone for any serious money where the rules allow people to move balls and then attempt to move them back and continue shooting. A foul is a FOUL in my opinion.

The same goes for the "one foot on the floor" rule and any other foul that usually ends up in some kind of controversy.
 
When I had my room on Long Island I had 8 9 footers and 1 billiard table. The billiard table was about 20' from the front door. 10' over the door was a 2 ton A/C unit. On rainy, humid,or hot days changing the setting on the A/C would quickly change the angles on the billiard table to play short or long, whichever I wanted. So if someone I was playing looked like he had a chance to get into my wallet I went in the back of my counter and adjusted the A/C/ billiard table angles. Johnnyt
 
Playing a guy named Nate race to 7 for $100. I win the first set and Nate goes to the bathroom.....and I learn later, subsequently out the back door. His friend meanwhile, has taken his cue and case and left out the front door. No hundred.

Learn the next day that Nate has moved out of state.

Flash forward 3 years.......

Nate wonders into the pool room. I greet him casually and pretend like nothing is wrong. We agree to play a race to 7 for $100. I win the first set, he pays. We play a 2nd set for $100, he wins. I had the great satisfaction to say "take it out of the $100 you walked out on me 3 years ago". He was steamed, but rather quickly let it rest.
 
I played in a local league where only the player or his captain could call a foul. My teammate who was in a match and our captain were both distracted and not watching the table. The opponent, watching me watching him, purposely took his last two balls in 8-ball and pulled them into a pocket WITH HIS HAND. The balls were tied up and he would have been lucky to make a legal hit on either.
I jumped up and yelled FOUL! He called a foul on me for calling an illegal foul on him.
He ended up getting ball-in-hand on the winning 8 ball, smiling all the while as he won his match.
My last week in that league...
 
They were having a big added money women's tourney in Eureka in the early 90's. Eureka is surrounded by lots of sea, forest and mountains, so it's really an insulated community, and at least back then, they didn't like outsiders. It's a rough drive from anywhere, and think I was the only outsider there.

It's a race to 8, 9ball and I have to play the local favorite. It's a large mixed crowd cheering for her and supporting her, and I win the first game, she wins the second. We're marking beads on the wire above the table. After it got 1-1, I caught a good gear and won six consecutive games. She racks for me and then says, "You know I'm on the hill- I should warn you of that."

I sort of chuckled and asked what she meant- it was 7-1 me. She points at the beads and says, "That's my side. You're over there." Maybe I switched sides at 1-1, maybe I didn't- hell, I couldn't remember. But I remembered every nine I made, and where.

I went ballistic, tried every argument, asked her what 9balls in what pockets she'd made- what BALLS she'd even pocketed for that matter, looked at the crowd for response and got cold stony stares. Called the tourney director over. She told him she was on the hill and I wasn't. Much arguing. He looked at the crowd and looked at us and said, "If that's her side, then those are her games."

I could quit the tourney in protest or I could play- only options. I lost 8-4, maybe 8-5.


Maybe it's like that whole thread on not telling your opponent that they're shooting the wrong ball, but I don't honestly know if I switched sides or not. I'm throwing this in the "cheated" category.
 
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I used to go to a local tournament here in Michigan and play a very good local player who would give me the 7,8 and break for $50 a set. It would go back and forth but for the most part I usually lost one or two sets after playing all night.

I moved to Memphis for three years and got a ball or two better and couldn't wait once I moved back to Michigan to play him again. I went to the tournament and he offered me the same game for $50, I win the flip and while I am getting ready to break the first rack he hands me a $50 bill. Of course I said what is this for and he says the last time we played (Over three years earlier) that he had fouled and didn't tell me and has felt bad the whole time! At this point I had zero desire to beat him and we ended up even.

Another Story:

I am hanging out at my bar with some of my friends who are A players we are just banging ball around on a bar table. One of my friends goes to the bathroom, when he comes back a guy is following him and offers to buy us a drink, I tell him that it is my bar and I offer to buy him a drink. It turns out Dave saw a $20 under his chair and told him about it. After he sees he can't buy us a drink he decides he wants to play Dave for it. Well this guy couldn't make three balls in a row so Dave wins pretty easily, after this he says this guy is too tough and challenges another friend who also wins. After he plays all nine of us and loses every game he thanks us and goes back to his table.

Afterwards Dave joked that he threw the $20 under the guys chair, to this day I don't know if he was joking or not!

Last one:

I am playing a pro player on a bar table getting the 7,8 and break a race to 7 for $2,000. I start off breaking really bad and get down 5-1, I play a good safe and get BIH. I run out that rack and break and run or make a money ball the next four racks to get up 6-5. I break dry and leave a tough layout with a clusters. The guy runs out to the five and plays a lock down safety and opens up the rack. I try to kick two rails to make a hit and miss so he gets BIH, while he is placing the cue ball on the table he drops it and hits another ball. I call foul and only have to run two ball with BIH and know that I have won the set. He claims that it isn't a foul and even after other tell him it is a foul won't give up BIH and quits the set! Another case of getting the money posted I guess.
 
TheMarsMan said:
Last one:

I am playing a pro player on a bar table getting the 7,8 and break a race to 7 for $2,000. I start off breaking really bad and get down 5-1, I play a good safe and get BIH. I run out that rack and break and run or make a money ball the next four racks to get up 6-5. I break dry and leave a tough layout with a clusters. The guy runs out to the five and plays a lock down safety and opens up the rack. I try to kick two rails to make a hit and miss so he gets BIH, while he is placing the cue ball on the table he drops it and hits another ball. I call foul and only have to run two ball with BIH and know that I have won the set. He claims that it isn't a foul and even after other tell him it is a foul won't give up BIH and quits the set! Another case of getting the money posted I guess.
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Who was the pro?
 
flash5153 said:
I was playing a guy in the State semi finals. I put a real good safety on him,,there's was no way he could hit his ball.

He walked up to the table and looked at me,,,then put his tip on the cue and nudged it. Barley touching it and walked away smiling.

I have to say ,,,I had 3 balls on the table ,,all open and a very easy out with ball in hand.

Well I walked up and grabbed the cue,,,,,,,he starts screaming ,,,Foul!! Foul!!!

Got the REF over ,,,and YEP,,,, I didnt ask if it was BIH. So it was a foul.

He had BIH now and won the game. I almost put the beat down on him,,,very close to a fight,,,,, Some chicken arse chit here. Lame!!
It was clearly what he wanted me to do. Was clearly BIH for me and he looked right at me as he nudged the cue.



At little while later,,heard a bunch of yelling across the room. He done it again to someone else. Another guy was pissed at him. I went over and told all involved,,that he done it to me earlier.

LAME!! Is all I can say.
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What is even more lame is that it is a foul if you don't ask someone if it is BIH, even when there are witnesses that the guy committed the foul first. That's a terrible rule if it is a rule. What league is that in?
 
Charlie Hustle said:
Was playing a guy once at a hall that had the beads above the table to keep score. At my home room we dont have those, so I usually just use coins on the table to keep the count. Anyway, as were playing a race to 7 the score is 5-5, I win the next game but forget to move my coin. As were playing the 12th game, I notice this and ask him. Of course he says you already moved it. So I ask the entire room, who has been watching closely. They all agree that I didnt move it. The guy wont budge. So I tell him that it doesnt matter, Im gonna win the set anway. I proceed to win the set, and he quits even after playing 2 sets. This after he had been talking a bunch of shit about locking up some 500 dollar sets if I came to his pool hall. We were only betting 200 a set. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, I've asked dirt bags if I moved the coin and they always say "yes, you moved the coin". Lol.
 
JoeyA said:
Yeah, I've asked dirt bags if I moved the coin and they always say "yes, you moved the coin". Lol.
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Since I brought up Eddie earlier..I'm sure you've witnessed this move he makes..when u playing one pocket rack 4 each other...once u been at it for awhile & the minute u let ur guard down..He finger f..ks da corner ball on his side table where it comes flying out rack and hangs up in his hole..He knows all the moves...lol
 
Shaky1 said:
The funniest one was the night a drunk stranger came into the bar. He starts betting on the side.
Tells me he wants to bet 20 on my buddy against me. We were only betting 3 bucks against each other.
As I was racking, the guy leaves to get a beer.
I told my friend to lose and he gets 10 bucks. :grin:
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Absolution granted. Go and sin no more. :D
 
macguy said:
I am playing a guy in a bowling alley. I am beating him and it is on the wire maybe like $30.00. At a point he says, "I am going to the snack bar and get a coffee". I say, "I'll get it and get me a small Coke" and hand him a 10 dollar bill to pay for it. Needless to say I get stiffed for what was no the wire and lose the $10.00. Never saw this guy again but he gave me a great story I have been able to tell for like 40 years.
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That's a funny one! :thumbup:
 
The Saw said:
My story is also about a very highly talented player who will remain anonymous for the time being. Lets imagine he has a very common name like, lets say, hmmmmmm, Adam Smith....

We're playing in an 8-ball tourney last weekend. I break dry and the balls are all jumbled up and there is zero chance of getting out which ever side you take. I joke with him that that was my safety break. At the foot end of the table is the 1 and 8. They are off angle from each other about 3/8" apart, see below.

If I was left with the layout I would have made a solid and played safe because if you take stripes you have to play pinpoint position on the 8 to not foul the 1 ball. He chooses stripes and starts planing his attack. Three different times he comes to the side of the table, gets down at table level, eyeballs the 8 ball, and points to where he needs the cueball to be (dead straight in). Either side of the straight in line and it doesn't go.... So he proceeds to try to get out and fails to break out a cluster up table. He is left shooting over the 8-ball at a ball up table. As he is addressing the shot he drops his cue on the 8 and it moves forward about 4 inches.

I tell him to move it back. He moves it back 2 inches when it really rolled 4....... It now goes easy from literally half of the table!

I'm like "Really??? Cmon??? Is that where you really think it was?".

He says "Yeah, it went easy."

I'm like "If it went so easy why did you get down and eagle eye it 3 different times?".

He's like "Where do you think it was?"

I point to the exact spot....

He says "If you have to lie and cheat to win, go ahead and put it where you think it was....". Then as I go to move it back he tells me "The reason you don't play good anymore and can't get back to where you were is you're WEAK!!! And since you're weak, you have to lie and cheat to win!!!".

This sets me dead on tilt..... Since he dead tried to f me by moving the ball back 2 of the 4 inches and then slanders me, I move the ball back to where it was plus about an 1/8" further to where it doesn't go. Had he not got personal with the insults I would have moved it back to the exact spot.

The he starts really coming with insults and slander.... Then it turns into a 2-3 minute jaw fest. I win from there.... And get the public opinion vote from those that witnessed it....
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You are 2 funny! Great Story! You told it well. LMAO.
 
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