CSI sponsors Mike Dechaine at Steinway Classic
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yes, that might be it.
It's glaringly obvious that CJ has a problem with Mark Griffin/CSI taking a stand in sponsoring MD to play this event but rather than just come right out and say it, he's electing to take pot shots at Mark over how much the sponsorship is worth.
best,
brian kc
yes, that might be it.
It's glaringly obvious that CJ has a problem with Mark Griffin/CSI taking a stand in sponsoring MD to play this event but rather than just come right out and say it, he's electing to take pot shots at Mark over how much the sponsorship is worth.
best,
brian kc
Its only sponsorship for one event. Mark should of bought Mike a new house and paid him a six figure salary every year for life.
Right?
CJ - It is quite obvious that you (and probably others) have missed the point of me sponsoring Mike Dechaine. I will only tell you (and others) that if you want to say something to me - my phone number is 702-835-2000.
It is upsetting to that so many misunderstand - yet so many think they know what they are talking about. It is real simple. CSI does things - others talk about it.
I tell you what, maybe I should take Justin's advice and take off for awhile. It just seems that so many just want to ***** and complain and take shots.
It is ''you' guys that are the problem - not me!
Mark Griffin
It is upsetting to that so many misunderstand - yet so many think they know what they are talking about. It is real simple. CSI does things - others talk about it.
I tell you what, maybe I should take Justin's advice and take off for awhile. It just seems that so many just want to ***** and complain and take shots.
It is ''you' guys that are the problem - not me!
Mark Griffin
.it stirs up negativity and controversy among many players and that's not fair to....
Do you really thing this sponsorship was about "raising the ethics of the game".....I believe it was the contrary, there was very little "ethical" about this sponsorship announcement. It appeared like it was wrapped in insolence seasoned with audaciousness and, served with pomposity.
Posting a sponsorship to "get back at Johnny Archer" and those that followed and supported Bonus Ball is silly. If someone wants to sponsor a pro player, that's great and I encourage it, but not to "get back at someone or something".....that's not cool.
I have no issues with Mark personally, although I would be surprised at anyone taking this approach regarding sponsorship. It's bad enough that the players can't get the sponsorship they deserve, but to taunt them and then take a "high moral ground" is insulting to more players than just Mike and Johnny...it stirs up negativity and controversy among many players and that's unhealthy for the billiard industry as a whole.
Any sponsorship should be about the player and what he's done and what he can do for the sponsoring company. Lashing out at Johnny Archer by sponsoring Mike is a back handed compliment to Mike and a direct "internet slap" to Johnny Archer. Any way you slice it people will look at it as immature at best and I'm pretty sure he did it in an emotional state or would have thought twice about taking this position.
Do you really thing this sponsorship was about "raising the ethics of the game".....I believe it was the contrary, there was very little "ethical" about this sponsorship announcement. It appeared like it was wrapped in insolence seasoned with audaciousness and, served with pomposity.
Posting a sponsorship to "get back at Johnny Archer" and those that followed and supported Bonus Ball is silly. If someone wants to sponsor a pro player, that's great and I encourage it, but not to "get back at someone or something".....that's not cool.
I have no issues with Mark personally, although I would be surprised at anyone taking this approach regarding sponsorship. It's bad enough that the players can't get the sponsorship they deserve, but to taunt them and then take a "high moral ground" is insulting to more players than just Mike and Johnny...it stirs up negativity and controversy among many players and that's unhealthy for the billiard industry as a whole.
Any sponsorship should be about the player and what he's done and what he can do for the sponsoring company. Lashing out at Johnny Archer by sponsoring Mike is a back handed compliment to Mike and a direct "internet slap" to Johnny Archer. Any way you slice it people will look at it as immature at best and I'm pretty sure he did it in an emotional state or would have thought twice about taking this position.
Man your posts are so tough to read.
Yet it took another poster on here calling you out to get you to say what you really meant. Way to practice what you preach.
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If that ain't the truth. I also get distracted when he's got a mullet pic up.
What he's ignoring is the fact that ABP/DP has been thumbing its nose at BCA and all of the people that have tried to do something for pool. They also ignore questions and anything else that isn't butt-kissing. Who wants somebody like that around when the only time they show any respect is when you put up money for them? It's like having children around, only grown up.
DP/CW/ABP comes on here, drops a steaming load for the forum and calls it a rose. Then they get all offended for being called arrogant, etc. Yeah, that's something that deserves my respect..
Now, I just see stuff from them and just assume it's more of the same crap.Edit: If you think anybody from ABP will address any of that, you've got some reality problems.
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Is that really CJ, or is it another one of Marty Herman's aliases?
Well CJ, you stated much of what I speculated. The timing was too coincidental to believe a pure sponsorship was the pure motive.
That said, they're probably other factors in play we aren't privy to. I can't put myself in Mark's shoes. Maybe he's trying to get a message through to JA & others and prior efforts to benefit all have failed. Maybe he feels this will open the door to more reasonable discussion. I don't know and shouldn't judge.
I like Mark a lot. I like JA a lot. Heck, I like Justin, CJ, Cantrill, and tossing goldfish into beef barley soup too. I like almost all the parties involved in these shark infested waters, but I try my best to not draw conclusions in public when I don't know the full story.
Maybe you do CJ, although I doubt it's possible.
I've never seen Mark be so publically vocal. There's more under his skin than I surely know.
That said, they're probably other factors in play we aren't privy to. I can't put myself in Mark's shoes. Maybe he's trying to get a message through to JA & others and prior efforts to benefit all have failed. Maybe he feels this will open the door to more reasonable discussion. I don't know and shouldn't judge.
I like Mark a lot. I like JA a lot. Heck, I like Justin, CJ, Cantrill, and tossing goldfish into beef barley soup too. I like almost all the parties involved in these shark infested waters, but I try my best to not draw conclusions in public when I don't know the full story.
Maybe you do CJ, although I doubt it's possible.
I've never seen Mark be so publically vocal. There's more under his skin than I surely know.
they are creating motion and that's the key to "Pro Motion".
I'm not ignoring anything, you are right about your opinion, I'm not claiming Johnny's perfect or the ABP couldn't do better.....that goes without saying. The point is these things can be handled differently, that's all.
I don't understand much of what goes on with ABP and Bonus Ball, however, I know they will either succeed or not, it really doesn't effect any of us that directly. At the end of the day it's just a bunch of humans trying their best to get their outcomes. Some do it better than others, but at least they are creating motion and that's the key to "Pro Motion"......so I'll leave it at that. 'The Game is the Teacher'
If that ain't the truth. I also get distracted when he's got a mullet pic up.
What he's ignoring is the fact that ABP/DP has been thumbing its nose at BCA and all of the people that have tried to do something for pool. They also ignore questions and anything else that isn't butt-kissing. Who wants somebody like that around when the only time they show any respect is when you put up money for them? It's like having children around, only grown up.
DP/CW/ABP comes on here, drops a steaming load for the forum and calls it a rose. Then they get all offended for being called arrogant, etc. Yeah, that's something that deserves my respect..
Edit: If you think anybody from ABP will address any of that, you've got some reality problems.
I'm not ignoring anything, you are right about your opinion, I'm not claiming Johnny's perfect or the ABP couldn't do better.....that goes without saying. The point is these things can be handled differently, that's all.
I don't understand much of what goes on with ABP and Bonus Ball, however, I know they will either succeed or not, it really doesn't effect any of us that directly. At the end of the day it's just a bunch of humans trying their best to get their outcomes. Some do it better than others, but at least they are creating motion and that's the key to "Pro Motion"......so I'll leave it at that. 'The Game is the Teacher'
CJ:
With all due respect:
Please don't let it be lost on you that there are many people who think it's patently wrong that a pro player would have his livelihood threatened (I believe there was a text confirming this) simply because he spoke his mind and wished to be able to get behind what he believes in.
Apparently Mark Griffin is one of those people.
Are you cool with MD being threatened with being blackballed?
If you are cool with that, then you and I think differently.
But if you agree that such threats are not cool, then you should embrace the idea of someone taking a stand (Mark) in order to send the message that such behavior is unacceptable. That, as opposed to "getting back at Johnny".
best,
brian kc
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come to an understanding, and I'm pretty sure it won't be using Mike as a liaison.
They have each other's phone numbers and Johnny has text Mark recently with no response....I do know more, but the core issue is dealing with the issues head on instead of all this "backhanded" behavior.
They're both adults, I have confidence they will come to an understanding, and I'm pretty sure it won't be using Mike as a liaison.
They have each other's phone numbers and Johnny has text Mark recently with no response....I do know more, but the core issue is dealing with the issues head on instead of all this "backhanded" behavior.
They're both adults, I have confidence they will come to an understanding, and I'm pretty sure it won't be using Mike as a liaison.
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You're right, it doesn't affect me really. I'm just not big on people putting doo-doo on my plate and asking me to eat it, then getting all pissy when I tell them what I think of it. As I said, after a few times I'm going to assume that anything they put in front of me is a turd sandwich and respond accordingly. If they or others don't like that, too bad - maybe they should change their menu. Pro motion? Sounds like Exlax.
If that ain't the truth. I also get distracted when he's got a mullet pic up.
What he's ignoring is the fact that ABP/DP has been thumbing its nose at BCA and all of the people that have tried to do something for pool. They also ignore questions and anything else that isn't butt-kissing. Who wants somebody like that around when the only time they show any respect is when you put up money for them? It's like having children around, only grown up.
DP/CW/ABP comes on here, drops a steaming load for the forum and calls it a rose. Then they get all offended for being called arrogant, etc. Yeah, that's something that deserves my respect..
Edit: If you think anybody from ABP will address any of that, you've got some reality problems.
I just want to point out that the BCA is a 'TRADE' organization. It is basically for the Businesses involved in the trade.
All the different cue balls is not good for players of the game but it is good for the businesses that make the balls.
Just something to keep in mind about the BCA. It is a trade organization.
They're both delicious with a fine champagne followed by a Crème brûlée
I don't know why I am making this post but here goes.
I certainly respect MD's right to join or not join an organization.
It's sort of like joining a 'union' where when one does not join, they say something like, 'well if you're not with us then your against us' & 'if you're not helping us, then you're hurting us'.
There are repercussions for one's actions. If one does not join the union/organization then one should not expect any benefit that the union/organization might be able to provide. And one should not expect to ride on the coat tails of that union/organization.
If one has not joined then one has put oneself all alone on the outside looking in. Sometimes people look at that as being selfish. Sometimes it is selfish.
Has anyone ever heard of 'members only' golf tournaments at golf clubs or a thing called invitationals.
Now all that being said I am not a union type guy. I firmly believe in one's right to make one's own decisions & one's right to make a living in one's chosen profession on one's own.
But... life is what it is & sometimes compromise is the best solution.
Just some food for thought.
Best WiRickshes to Everyone,
Brian,
The above is a post of mine from earlier today.
Just meant as some food for thought.
Best,
Rick
Changing someone else's opinion is like changing someone else's tire,
I do understand the feeling of being "black balled".....and no I don't approve, but when someone holds a grudge for something you may or may not have done it's just life.
Changing someone else's opinion is like changing someone else's tire, it can only happen if both parties agree......and someone has a "jack".
This is my experience anyway.
I do understand the feeling of being "black balled".....and no I don't approve, but when someone holds a grudge for something you may or may not have done it's just life.
Changing someone else's opinion is like changing someone else's tire, it can only happen if both parties agree......and someone has a "jack".
This is my experience anyway.