danny harriman needs an excuse
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It was in the heat of the moment right after the match and Danny used some poorly chosen words and comments. He is a champion and as such, hates to lose. I think if he had time to reflect he'd change his tone and give John his due. John played an excellent match and I don't think Danny could have won last night with his A game. John once again showed his world class attitude in the post match interview to go along with his world class game. He acknowledged that Danny was a champion many times and discounted the comments as being in the heat of the moment and nothing else.
All around it was a great match and again a great production by TAR.
All around it was a great match and again a great production by TAR.
It would be nice to see them go for round 3 which im sure they will.corvette1340 said:
very true
Given a little time, or sometimes having accepted the loss in the closing games, most will make the proper gracious noises about losing. However most warriors are lying through their teeth when they say them, they are thinking something far different!
Hu
JAM said:I guess the point of my post is to say players do things that later they regret. Nobody likes to lose. Show me a loser who likes to lose, and I'll show you a loser.
JAM
Given a little time, or sometimes having accepted the loss in the closing games, most will make the proper gracious noises about losing. However most warriors are lying through their teeth when they say them, they are thinking something far different!
Hu
I agree,when i lost yesterday i was seething inside but i dont show it outwardly,i shake hands and say nice shooting and tomorrows a new day.ShootingArts said:
ShootingArts said:
That is so very true, Hu!
At the Glass City Open in Toledo, Ohio, one year, Keith McCready was playing well, made the money rounds, and thought he had a chance at the winner's circle. He even retired early in the evening to our room, to rest up for his match the next day, as opposed to staying up late gambling with his action buddies. We were both very hopeful, the way he was hitting 'em, that he was going to do well.
The next day, he was scheduled to play Charlie "Hillbilly" Bryant. The two of them began to practice on their designated table, before the match was called, and both of them were quiet as a church mouse.
The match commenced, and it was truly an exhibition of first-class pool. Neck and neck, the score went, anybody's win.
And then it happened. Charlie racked the balls for Keith's break. Keith doesn't have a very good break in 9-ball, but every now and then, he can string a few racks together, if he gets some rolls and a little luck going his way. Right as he pulls back, getting ready to crack the rack, Charlie snorted.
For whatever reason, Keith's break was horrible, balls clumped together, and he didn't pocket any balls. Charlie steps up to the plate and runs out. Charlie wins every game after, to include the match.
Keith unscrews his stick and makes a beeline for the hallway. I grab his case that he left tableside and follow him. I knew he was pissed off that he lost. When I catch up to him, he's mouthing off to all in hearing distance about Charlie intentionally snorting at the exact moment that Keith was pulling the trigger for the break.
I was sitting right there, and I didn't hear any snort.
Along comes Charlie out into the hallway, and he hears Keith voicing his disgust about the alleged snort. Charlie comes up to Keith and said he had sinus problems, and that he may have snorted, but didn't remember it.
Keith lost the match, fair and square, whether Charlie snorted or not. Instead of accepting defeat gracefully, Keith had to blame something, and in this instance, it was a snort that I never heard. Charlie went on to win the Glass City Open that year, by the way, defeating Kid Delicious in the finals.
JAM
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Victory in Defeat
Excellent, excellent posts JAM.
Let me say that Danny is championship talent. But he will remain a small time champion until he breaks out of his small mindedness. It has been many occassions Ive witnessed his early demise by the response of this character flaw. In the final analysis its you who bear the full responsibility for the outcome. Like David Sklansky, the great poker authority says, the cards dont know who you are. Well the table, the balls, etc. dont care either. Its up to you to play your best ability. No matter what. Nobody wins all the time so all we can do is our best. We should acknowledge Johns "best" and so should Danny.
Excellent, excellent posts JAM.
Let me say that Danny is championship talent. But he will remain a small time champion until he breaks out of his small mindedness. It has been many occassions Ive witnessed his early demise by the response of this character flaw. In the final analysis its you who bear the full responsibility for the outcome. Like David Sklansky, the great poker authority says, the cards dont know who you are. Well the table, the balls, etc. dont care either. Its up to you to play your best ability. No matter what. Nobody wins all the time so all we can do is our best. We should acknowledge Johns "best" and so should Danny.
Fast Lenny said:It would be nice to see them go for round 3 which im sure they will.
yes it would. As odd as it is to say, I think the comments by Danny and minor tifts between these two can be great for the game of pool. Rivalrys between two great champions can always propel a sport, ie. Lakers/Celtics, Cowboys/Steelers, Yankees/Red Sox, Jack/Arnie, Tiger/Phil, etc.... It would be nice to see pool have a few of these.
will8834 said:
I agree...Dude is a pool-player. He was in the eye for playing pool and there is no PR schooling for these guys. Slack cutted here.
Who Was Sharking Who?
As I recall, it was Danny who was on John as least a couple times before the whole jump cue arguement.
During the one-pocket match, Danny questioned John claiming that John racked the balls intentionally too low to make his break shot easier (and the ref said that the rack was okay).
Then Danny claimed that John did not spot a ball correctly, and claimed that John bumped two balls when in the process of spotting the ball (and then wanted the ref to move the balls back AFTER he had already taken a shot). This was because Danny thought that there was a dead ball in the stack before he took his first shot and before John spotted the ball. Of course the ref concluded that the balls needed to stay where they were.
I think that there may have been one more event where someone was checking to see if there was anything on the towel that the other person was cleaning the cue ball with (wax or something maybe?) -- but I couldn't figure out who was making this accusation. (Although I'm thinking that Danny may have been the one questioning John about that as well).
So I think that in terms of possible or potential "sharking" moves -- neither of them can claim that they did nothing to disturb the other player (whether they had a legitimate reason to raise the complaint or not).
I say, it all goes with the territory -- and some people will certainly attempt to use little disputes like this for their advantage and to throw the other person off and to get into their head. Nothing too earth-shattering or new here, but to be fair I think that all disputes should be mentioned.
As I recall, it was Danny who was on John as least a couple times before the whole jump cue arguement.
During the one-pocket match, Danny questioned John claiming that John racked the balls intentionally too low to make his break shot easier (and the ref said that the rack was okay).
Then Danny claimed that John did not spot a ball correctly, and claimed that John bumped two balls when in the process of spotting the ball (and then wanted the ref to move the balls back AFTER he had already taken a shot). This was because Danny thought that there was a dead ball in the stack before he took his first shot and before John spotted the ball. Of course the ref concluded that the balls needed to stay where they were.
I think that there may have been one more event where someone was checking to see if there was anything on the towel that the other person was cleaning the cue ball with (wax or something maybe?) -- but I couldn't figure out who was making this accusation. (Although I'm thinking that Danny may have been the one questioning John about that as well).
So I think that in terms of possible or potential "sharking" moves -- neither of them can claim that they did nothing to disturb the other player (whether they had a legitimate reason to raise the complaint or not).
I say, it all goes with the territory -- and some people will certainly attempt to use little disputes like this for their advantage and to throw the other person off and to get into their head. Nothing too earth-shattering or new here, but to be fair I think that all disputes should be mentioned.
Danny has always had a difficult time losing when he feels he can't/shouldn't be beat and yet does loose. If there was a chink in his armor within this area it lies. Some old school upbringing, some habits learned at an early age and its his personality now front and center, I wish him well through this issue, but MHO I don't think he'll change, but you never know. This forum vocalizes allot more than someone at the pool room, so the fallout may wear him down, and IMHO make him grow up just a little more...I hope, he's a good person.
I've Heard A Few SNORTS In My Lifetime Too
Snorting has different connotations to different people. I had friends in New Orleans that would climb out dead from their coffin if they heard someone 'snorting'.....
Speaking of coffins, remember:
"It's not the cough, that kills you off.
It's the coffin they carry you off in. "
Doug
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JAM said:That is so very true, Hu!
At the Glass City Open in Toledo, Ohio, one year, Keith McCready was playing well, made the money rounds, and thought he had a chance at the winner's circle. He even retired early in the evening to our room, to rest up for his match the next day, as opposed to staying up late gambling with his action buddies. We were both very hopeful, the way he was hitting 'em, that he was going to do well.
The next day, he was scheduled to play Charlie "Hillbilly" Bryant. The two of them began to practice on their designated table, before the match was called, and both of them were quiet as a church mouse.
The match commenced, and it was truly an exhibition of first-class pool. Neck and neck, the score went, anybody's win.
And then it happened. Charlie racked the balls for Keith's break. Keith doesn't have a very good break in 9-ball, but every now and then, he can string a few racks together, if he gets some rolls and a little luck going his way. Right as he pulls back, getting ready to crack the rack, Charlie snorted.
For whatever reason, Keith's break was horrible, balls clumped together, and he didn't pocket any balls. Charlie steps up to the plate and runs out. Charlie wins every game after, to include the match.
Keith unscrews his stick and makes a beeline for the hallway. I grab his case that he left tableside and follow him. I knew he was pissed off that he lost. When I catch up to him, he's mouthing off to all in hearing distance about Charlie intentionally snorting at the exact moment that Keith was pulling the trigger for the break.
I was sitting right there, and I didn't hear any snort.
Along comes Charlie out into the hallway, and he hears Keith voicing his disgust about the alleged snort. Charlie comes up to Keith and said he had sinus problems, and that he may have snorted, but didn't remember it.
Keith lost the match, fair and square, whether Charlie snorted or not. Instead of accepting defeat gracefully, Keith had to blame something, and in this instance, it was a snort that I never heard. Charlie went on to win the Glass City Open that year, by the way, defeating Kid Delicious in the finals.
JAM
Snorting has different connotations to different people. I had friends in New Orleans that would climb out dead from their coffin if they heard someone 'snorting'.....
Speaking of coffins, remember:
"It's not the cough, that kills you off.
It's the coffin they carry you off in. "
Doug
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JAM said:Pool players do funny things when they put their all into a match. In this instance, you had two fine players giving it their all.
A personal experience for me that was extremely embarassing was when Keith McCready had to come up against Tony Crosby at the Carolinas Open.
Because of the large player roster, the wait for each match seemed to be an unknown entity. I remember getting there at 10:00 a.m. one day, and Keith's match did not take place until 5:30 p.m.
Meanwhile, Johnny Archer was told EXACTLY when he could arrive for his match. He and his wife and her parents were able to relax in his hotel room as opposed to standing up all day long in the pool room, like the rest of us had to endure. Chairs in this joint were a luxury, and believe or not, some chairs had "reserved" signs on them. I stood all day long, and my feet were horribly swollen. I got literally sick from this tournament. What can I say, I'm old and can't stand on my feet for 6 or 7 hours.
To pass the time away, Keith enjoyed the amenities of the full bar, especially Budweiser. Evening came and Keith was feeling no pain. He was supposed to be playing Tony Crosby, whenever they called their names. Outside, the locals had a barbecue for the attendees with Georgia delicacies. I happened to see Tony chowing down. He heard me talking to a friend about Keith's state of mind, and he came up and introduced himself to me.
The match finally came to the fore, and Keith acted like a jerk during the match on several instances. Tony, the gentleman that he is, knew Keith was feeling no pain and did not respond to Keith's rudeness. What a gentleman, Tony Crosby is.
After the match, Keith walks over to the chart to collect his winnings, as he made the money rounds for the week-long event. The TD handed him a check for $75, and Keith threw it up in the air, in full view, and said, "Come all the way here, played my heart out, and I get 75 bucks for my efforts."
I was embarassed and picked up the check. I felt like crying and was ashamed. About 10 or 15 minutes later, Tony Crosby came over to me and said he knew from listening to me earlier outside that Keith had too much to drink, and he tried to calm me down. I will never, never, never forget Tony Crosby for that.
Meanwhile, Buddy Hall and I had words with Keith about his behavior. Keith didn't seem to listen to me, but, boy, oh, boy, was he shocked when Buddy Hall spoke to him about his demeanor at that event. But that's the topic for another thread.
I guess the point of my post is to say players do things that later they regret. Nobody likes to lose. Show me a loser who likes to lose, and I'll show you a loser.
JAM
It's a little late to jump on the JAM's band wagon this morning but this post is only ONE of the many reasons that you have such a fan club here on AZ Billiards.
Your intimate relationship with one of the best pool players that ever lived is not the thing that attracts me to your posts. It is many things but your candor and willingness to call things as you see them is refreshing as they are filled with insight and you have such an ability to express yourself.
However, I think it is your willingness to give credit where credit is due that I like most about you and your posts. Tony Crosby is one heck of a nice guy and a top pool player to boot.
Glad to see you back posting strong.
JoeyA (wants to know when we can expect some major aftershocks from the Earthquake)
A Cough Is As Good As A Snort (wink,wink, nudge,nudge, say no more)
To expound upon this snorting episode, JAM. Yesterday, you included a link to Keith & Buddy playing with a measle cueball. I watched it for 50 minutes (thanks). During that match, Billy I. spoke about you and your influence on Keith and the camera panned over to you and you gave a big smile to us all. (you looked maaaaaaahvelous)
Suppose you spent all day getting dolled up and I took you out to a fine dining restaurant and as we were shown to our table, someone 'snorted' like a pig as you passed by. I'd be outraged and introduce their face to their pizza (hey, I said it was fine dining).
Different things affect different people differently. Keith might truly have felt sharked by a 'snort' at just the right (or wrong) time and used that as an excuse for not making a ball. I smoked for 23 years and I had the opening or closing of my Zippo lighter down to an art, just as my opponent got ready to pull the trigger on the money ball.
Doug
To expound upon this snorting episode, JAM. Yesterday, you included a link to Keith & Buddy playing with a measle cueball. I watched it for 50 minutes (thanks). During that match, Billy I. spoke about you and your influence on Keith and the camera panned over to you and you gave a big smile to us all. (you looked maaaaaaahvelous)
Suppose you spent all day getting dolled up and I took you out to a fine dining restaurant and as we were shown to our table, someone 'snorted' like a pig as you passed by. I'd be outraged and introduce their face to their pizza (hey, I said it was fine dining).
Different things affect different people differently. Keith might truly have felt sharked by a 'snort' at just the right (or wrong) time and used that as an excuse for not making a ball. I smoked for 23 years and I had the opening or closing of my Zippo lighter down to an art, just as my opponent got ready to pull the trigger on the money ball.
Doug
I hear where he is coming from, the jump got in his head and he couldnt totaly focus 100% on the match, he sharked himself in a way. But sometimes its best to keep the truth to yourself and smile shake hands, congratulate your opponents victory and go home and fix the reason you think you lost and be 100% ready next time. I had a 2 day tourney this past weekend I shot great first day the got sharked by the wife that nite at home and i was still angered the next day from it! I couldnt shoot and I took a whoopin! lol
Smorgass Bored said:
Look, you keep talking about this snorting/sharking business and I have to pipe in. While I haven't noticed HillBilly snorting just as his opponent is about to break, if I know anything about allergies, sneezes, coughs etc; a person can control when he is getting ready to snort at least for a few seconds if he has a desire to.
We have an infamous hustler named RickyP who will stoop to practically anything when it comes to distracting his opponent. He too complains about allergies but it is interesting that his snorts always seem to occur on the last stroke of his opponent's tough shot. Until he changes his ways, I will continue to out him. He deserves no less. Ricky has friends in high places but I give the devil his due.
I'll bite his own tongue to stave off a cough for a few seconds when my opponent is getting ready to pull the trigger and don't see why people have to win that way.
Buddy H taught me everything I know about dealing with a shark.
JoeyA