Deleting threads

Some of the best, most insightful threads that have ever been spun on this site have been deleted into the abyss. Some of the most idiotic, too. I've always wondered why the two are seemingly treated the same. :confused:
 
I just noticed the thread started by 'cleary' - named something like 'what is the need for pro pool' - went for quite a few pages- the whole thread was removed!

Why are some threads removed?

If it gets too crazy - maybe banning/censoring individuals would be better than eliminating the thread

My attitude is the some of us spend good time and efforts making posts. If they going to be discarded, why should we even participate? I believe there was a lot of intelligent information in the thread.

This is a minor rant - I'm suggesting maybe exercising a little better judgment on keeping some of the BS posters in line. If not I'm afraid AZ is going to alienate several of the on-point posters.

Comments? Or is this going to be another flame war?

For what it's worth, I'm about ready to take a break from posting. And it's caused by a few individuals who just can't quite grasp the idea we should all be promoting pool and making it bigger and better. Sure there are agendas and competition - but why can't we just agree to disagree?

Mark Griffin

I like AZB & I agree with Mark about deleting entire posts. Even a negative statement might contain some wisdom. You might not like what was posted, but the statement might contain another person's view point about the subject. We all have noses & opinions & everyone is entitled to their's. If we agree to disagree, we'll all be better off in the long run.

AZB, to me, is like a giant database about Pool & People. By using the search function you can find out about anything that went on, that;s going on & who owns the newest thing.

Just turn the page if it goes against your grain. There's really nothing you can to do to change another's mind in an angry mode or with a closed mind. With an open mind, there's always a chance to learn something.

I certainly wouldn't want to do without AZB, it's one of the nice things about the internet.

Good Luck.
 
Nice post!

And too many people on here call for bannings because they cant stand someone disagreeing with them.

Thanks much.

Even though you & I do not always perfectly see eye to eye on every subject we've remained civil & rational.

I appreciate that very much.

Thanks Again.
 
Some may argue this point... Dan Aykroyd, Martin Short, Leslie Nielson, Mike Myers, Jim Carrey, ...etc. A big list. Some funny, some corny, but rest assured it's a big list.

And one that towers above them all, Russell Peters. If you get a chance, Tim, check out Russell Peters. There are plenty of YouTube videos of him -- just pick any one.

-Sean

IMHO As a whole our brothers from the North are some of the funniest folks I have met. Most have a very clever sense of humor and I am amazed at how natural it seems to come to them.
 
I just noticed the thread started by 'cleary' - named something like 'what is the need for pro pool' - went for quite a few pages- the whole thread was removed!

Why are some threads removed?

If it gets too crazy - maybe banning/censoring individuals would be better than eliminating the thread

My attitude is the some of us spend good time and efforts making posts. If they going to be discarded, why should we even participate? I believe there was a lot of intelligent information in the thread.

This is a minor rant - I'm suggesting maybe exercising a little better judgment on keeping some of the BS posters in line. If not I'm afraid AZ is going to alienate several of the on-point posters.

Comments? Or is this going to be another flame war?

For what it's worth, I'm about ready to take a break from posting. And it's caused by a few individuals who just can't quite grasp the idea we should all be promoting pool and making it bigger and better. Sure there are agendas and competition - but why can't we just agree to disagree?

Mark Griffin

Great post Mark! You and I have disagreed on some things but we never got nasty! We spoke our minds and both went on our ways! I'm sure (as in this case) will agree and disagree in the future, but that's what life is.

I'm gonna take a break myself from posting, maybe just go away for a while! I find it very disappointing that a thread that had a lot to say(good and bad), get deleted!

I would also like to say I'm thankful I didn't renew my subscription to AZ! If this is how this forum is going to conduct itself, I'm all set giving my money to so called good cause!
 
If anyone wants to read a very funny book by Canadian author Farley Mowat, I'd recommend The Boat That Wouldn't Float. It was written about his experience mostly in Newfoundland around the time of the 1967 Canadian Expo. If you have ever spent time living on boats it's worth a read. I spent time all over Nova Scotia and Newfoundland commercial fishing, so I found it particularly funny. The Newfies are a breed unlike anyone anywhere, wonderful once they like you...
 
Some of the best, most insightful threads that have ever been spun on this site have been deleted into the abyss. Some of the most idiotic, too. I've always wondered why the two are seemingly treated the same. :confused:

Unfortunately the first category you list is many times hijacked by trolls, ideologues or just bullies that like to fight. Due to their combative nature the entire post is deleted. IMHO it is the hijackers that should be warned once and then banned if they don't cease and desist.

The idiotic ones, I guess, are deleted because they are idiotic. Why they aren't left to die their own slow death I can't fathom.

Maybe a mod with jump in here and give some input into what prompts moving a thread into the abyss.
 
you cant have people using their real names as stalkers come to them to easily. but certainly a valid email address should be required before posting. this way the mods can bar a person and its tougher for them to just come back in a new form.

have a policy of no personal attacks period. if you do that you get a time out the first time and then a big one the next. then banned for good.[/QUOTE]

That would clean out a bunch of the shit-stirrers real fast, but as long as people are people, there will be passes to be handed out, allowing the shit-stirrers to continue attacking valuable posters.

The truth is there are a few posters whose entertainment is one of the following:
1. Targeting particular posters and attempting to ridicule them under the guise of humor.
2. Targeting particular posters, particularly high-profile posters, like CJ Wiley, making sport of them in an attempt to show their prowess at the keyboard.
3. Targeting particular posters, knowing that these particular posters have a tendency to respond in kind, hoping to inflame their emotions and get a nasty exchange going, all the while, the original troll makes a veiled attempt that he was just having fun.
4. Some respond-posters simply get their jollies at trying to get under the skin of certain posters and the moderators fail to fully muzzle those people tightly enough and they keep coming back time after time, without penalty severe enough to silence them.


Yes, AZB is unfortunately a playground for some mean-spirited people, content with needling posters to the point that in-kind responses are met with disdain and where the moderators delete threads to put the lid on the chaos.

The truth is that the instigators are often given a free pass by the moderators and instead of putting the muzzle on the ones who start the trouble.

Sometimes the moderator decides that it is easier to delete a thread than to muzzle the troublemakers because their perverted sense of humor is either enjoyed or condoned.

JoeyA
 
... Q. Which demographic is shrinking fastest (in America)?

A. Old white men. ...

The population of older Americans is growing, not shrinking. I imagine that's true for the subset of older Americans who are both white and male.

But whether the demographic of old white men who have any interest in pool is growing or shrinking, I do not know.
 
It's not really AZ per se but Mr. Wilson. I would bet that 75% or more of the threads that get deleted (or moved to the mod forum where no one can see them), Mike H. doesn't even know about. It is just more of Mr. Wilson wanting to act like he has excessive power and wants to show it from time to time. Or if you single out one of his buddies, even if it is within the rules, he will take action.

I'm still ready to be a mod and my first order will to be to bring threads that were deleted wrongly back.

All things being equal Dave does a great job, however, the board IS in serious need of moderation help and i nominate WATCHEZ, TATE. and SHOOTING ARTS (in no psrticular order).
 
For reasons already well stated by others, I, too, decry the complete removal/elimination of threads.
 
Congratulations!

All things being equal Dave does a great job, however, the board IS in serious need of moderation help and i nominate WATCHEZ, TATE. and SHOOTING ARTS (in no psrticular order).


The first week of 2015 isn't over yet and you have already locked up the funniest post of the year award. Back when I had employees there was a saying around my place, "Hu's way or the highway!" One of my employees started the saying and it lasted until I sold the business. :thumbup:

I have moderated a half dozen sites and been co-owner of one. Anyone from the old shootingarts political forum could tell you that my brother and I didn't tolerate fools gladly or any other way. I don't have the temperament to be a moderator for someone else, the reason I didn't volunteer.

As a past Admin/Moderator I can say I would have pulled the thread in question too. Pages of BS, quoted BS, three or four people needing a not too gentle slap on the wrist. If the software would let you crop off a thread past a certain point it would be nice, might be able to do that now. If not line by line editing to see what posts need clean-up is a royal pain. Then some people quoted posts that needed deleting and made reasonable replies. Leaving the reply out there as an orphan would confuse people.

My hat is off to Mr Wilson, Mike, Jerry, and Chuckles who I have never tried to find out who is although I have my suspicions. I have always made it plain that I didn't agree with their moderating 100% but I can guarantee that people would be a lot less satisfied with mine. I used to edit line by line when I had time putting in notes as I went. When I ran out of time or patience I did my editing with a very blunt instrument!

Hu
 
The first week of 2015 isn't over yet and you have already locked up the funniest post of the year award. Back when I had employees there was a saying around my place, "Hu's way or the highway!" One of my employees started the saying and it lasted until I sold the business. :thumbup:

I have moderated a half dozen sites and been co-owner of one. Anyone from the old shootingarts political forum could tell you that my brother and I didn't tolerate fools gladly or any other way. I don't have the temperament to be a moderator for someone else, the reason I didn't volunteer.

As a past Admin/Moderator I can say I would have pulled the thread in question too. Pages of BS, quoted BS, three or four people needing a not too gentle slap on the wrist. If the software would let you crop off a thread past a certain point it would be nice, might be able to do that now. If not line by line editing to see what posts need clean-up is a royal pain. Then some people quoted posts that needed deleting and made reasonable replies. Leaving the reply out there as an orphan would confuse people.

My hat is off to Mr Wilson, Mike, Jerry, and Chuckles who I have never tried to find out who is although I have my suspicions. I have always made it plain that I didn't agree with their moderating 100% but I can guarantee that people would be a lot less satisfied with mine. I used to edit line by line when I had time putting in notes as I went. When I ran out of time or patience I did my editing with a very blunt instrument!

Hu

hmmmmm, i guess Hu is through

tc, a
 
Don't worry, CJ is making himself look like an ass in other threads too, no one is missing anything.

It is not CJ we are missing, it is the contributions from knowledgable people who have a hand in the industry and are willing to share and contribute here on AZB.

Mark is definately one of those people and his thoughts on pool related issues being shared with this community is "not" something some trigger happy mod should just waltz in and destroy from all records.

When a thread like that is deleted we do not just lose the arguements and flames, we lose the vast majoritty of the posts in that thread that are usually constructive and well thought out and are being shared for a reason.
 
Hu is indeed through! Hit mod burnout a long time ago. Adam on the other hand, he is the man, the first man! Did you volunteer or do I need to volunteer you?:D :D :D

Hu

i came out of my 16 yr retirement/vacation and have been employed for the past year as a 32 hr +- p/wk consultant for a local manufacturing concern

seems like i don't have time to properly wipe my ass
 
And one that towers above them all, Russell Peters

Sean, Ron obviously hasn't heard of Kirk Peters either.

Unfortunately, Kirk is getting older and doesn't have time for that any longer.

I can't believe that Ron actually took me half serious on my post.

Myself, I love British Comedy. Quite a few funny Scotsmen out there also.

He'll have to hunt for Kirk tho, but he is out there. I know him personally as we've worked together many times.

Keep in mind. There is a difference between Dave working the Forums by himself and if a Post is actually reported.

Have to realize, if that Thread was actually reported, who may have done that. I have an idea on who, but it really doesn't matter what I think.
 
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