Derby City Favortism...

The good old boys always win

Wybrook said:
Haha.... I am not there to play against Johnny Archer to get experience. I can win the match if he makes one or two mistakes, or breaks poorly...

I am not some league player playing a "big" tournament so I can get a chance to meet someone... :)
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Yes, you got screwed. Life is not fair! The good old boys will always win these situations. I think you would have been fine had JA manned up and apologized for being late. That would have been huge IMO. As much as we love the great players some are divas. Showing up as late as possible is a form of sharking and works! Never been to as big event as this but Tourney Directors are usually totally available and busy. You got the runaround. Much like Alex not being tossed for his drunken behavior. Not even a warning! Favoratism rules in America. But heh, when you get to the top you will be one of the favored! And don't forget JA 's time and life is worth more than yours!!
 
So how did you spend the time you were waiting on your match? Hitting more balls trying to get (or stay) in stroke? Or did you sit there stewing about what was going on possiblly ruining your chances. How different would things have gone if he'd shown up with 1 minute to spare and would not have "techinically" forfeited. Was he given a chance to warm up or did you start right away? just wondering
 
Whata buncha divas

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ugotactionTX said:
So how did you spend the time you were waiting on your match? Hitting more balls trying to get (or stay) in stroke? Or did you sit there stewing about what was going on possiblly ruining your chances. How different would things have gone if he'd shown up with 1 minute to spare and would not have "techinically" forfeited. Was he given a chance to warm up or did you start right away? just wondering
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I don't stew.... I tried to hit balls, but I had other people playing matches all around me so I really could not do too much as to not disturb other matches in progress.
 
Bad form considering JA is the face of the "players association"... must be out for whats good for "the pro's", though not necessarily for all players, huh?
 
My only response to this is that I've forfeited MANY big name players when they showed up late for a match. They know they won't get much slack from me. I do try to reach players if I can, either with a phone call or sending someone to look for them. But once an announcement has been made that a player is on the clock, it's too late to give them any leeway. It is a rare tournament when at least one 'name' player does not receive a forfeit. I know that more than few well known players have not been happy with me when they got forfeited, but ultimately they realize it's their own fault and not mine. I've put a of guys on the loser's side, without ever hitting a ball! :rolleyes:
 
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Wybrook said:
I was told that apparently Johnny had forgotten his cues and had to go to his car to get them? And this takes a half hour?? I don't think so.
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maybe while grabbing his cues he got wrapped up in picking the lint out from the trunk of his car....lol!:grin-square:
 
Wybrook said:
Haha.... I am not there to play against Johnny Archer to get experience. I can win the match if he makes one or two mistakes, or breaks poorly...

I am not some league player playing a "big" tournament so I can get a chance to meet someone... :)
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Sounds like your only recourse may have been to force their hand. Once they told you he was on the clock you could have just hit some balls while watching the clock. Once the time hit 15 minutes, unscrew your cue, grab your stuff and head over to the tournament director letting them know you won by forfeit. Force them to make a decision. This is provided that this rule was being enforced for everybody else.
 
BasementDweller said:
Sounds like your only recourse may have been to force their hand. Once they told you he was on the clock you could have just hit some balls while watching the clock. Once the time hit 15 minutes, unscrew your cue, grab your stuff and head over to the tournament director letting them know you won by forfeit. Force them to make a decision. This is provided that this rule was being enforced for everybody else.
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If you would have done this I think you might have gotten the results you deserved. That's a new move, an aggressive forfeit, I like it.
 
The forfeit rule was explained to me in a different way at the tournament desk...

(I missed the players meetings)

My banks match was at 11:00.
11:00 I'm there, opponent is not.
11:20 Opponent still not there, so I go to tournament desk and let them know, and ask if he gets forfeiterd. They tell me, the 15 min time STARTS when I go to the desk and they announce his name.
11:20, desk announces his name on the PA and says he's on the clock.
11:40, opponent still not there, I go to desk, and they award me the match.
 
iusedtoberich said:
The forfeit rule was explained to me in a different way at the tournament desk...

(I missed the players meetings)

My banks match was at 11:00.
11:00 I'm there, opponent is not.
11:20 Opponent still not there, so I go to tournament desk and let them know, and ask if he gets forfeiterd. They tell me, the 15 min time STARTS when I go to the desk and they announce his name.
11:20, desk announces his name on the PA and says he's on the clock.
11:40, opponent still not there, I go to desk, and they award me the match.
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I went and told them that JA was not there at 11:10 am, and I was told that he was on the clock and had 5 minutes remaining. Even so, by 11:25 he should have been out.
 
Wybrook said:
I went and told them that JA was not there at 11:10 am, and I was told that he was on the clock and had 5 minutes remaining. Even so, by 11:25 he should have been out.
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was JA playing another match for one of the side events when you match was called? I saw a few players get extra time when they where involved in something else at the same time. Not saying this is a good reason for you not getting the match by forfeit but maybe thats what was going on. I personally think you should have gotten the forfeit.
 
TheBook said:
I am sure that you have watched sports on TV. Everyone and all the players know that the stars of the game get the calls their way. Jordan, Gretzky, and Kolby, would get to bend the rules a little and the league protects them. The great pitchers would get the benefit of strike calls as would the great batters.

It is not fair but that is the way it is. Many attend that event to see the stars play and they want them in the finals. Look at it this way. You got to play against Archer and have a chance to see how you rate against a top player. I would have rather played than win by a forfeit.

And you have to consider that Archer may have been tied up picking lint off of another table. :rolleyes:
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i know who jordan and gretzky are but who the heck is "kolby"???
 
Wybrook said:
I had to play Johnny Archer in the 7th round of the 9 ball on Saturday at 11:00am. I got there and hit balls early as well as most of the other players and the matches were announced a few minutes after 11. Everyone started their matches except for me.

At 11:10 am, Johnny wasn't there so I went to the tournament desk and advised them and the woman attending the tournament told me he was on the clock and had 5 minutes.

At 11:20 am I went back to the desk and asked them if it was now a forfeit and what time the next draw was at, since Johnny had not shown up yet. I was told that they didnt have the authority to forfeit him...?

At 11:30 am, Johnny shows up and I am told to play, even though he is a half hour late.

I was a little bothered by this whole episode and it reflected in my game and I henceforth, lost the match. I went and found the tournament director who was not present during the earlier dealings and he said that since he was not present he can't make a decision. I was told to go talk to the "real" head tournament director "Paul Smith", who I looked for and asked for, but he was not around the desk (apparently, just when things like this come up).

I feel a little jaded by this whole situation and wanted to vent a little. There were lots of players forfeited over the tournament, why not this match? The rule was 15 mintutes, as specified in the Player's Meeting and posted on the site. It cost me an extra $300 and possibly more, if I had won the match.

Any thoughts?
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Your right, they are wrong/plain and simple from the above facts. I had the same situation come up at the McDermott Masters in Vegas with Mizerak, except they rescheduled it for a MUCH later time. Personally I would of found Greg Sullivan in this situation.
 
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Maniac said:
You probably won't get a lot of sympathy from this forum as there are many a name-dropper an even more suck-ups on here than I care to count. As for myself, it sounds to me as if you got a rotten deal. But....it's certainly not the first time a pro has gotten some slack cut, and it certainly won't be the last.

Maniac
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I agree that he should not have had that much time to make it to his match.
 
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TheBook said:
I am sure that you have watched sports on TV. Everyone and all the players know that the stars of the game get the calls their way. Jordan, Gretzky, and Kolby, would get to bend the rules a little and the league protects them. The great pitchers would get the benefit of strike calls as would the great batters.

It is not fair but that is the way it is. Many attend that event to see the stars play and they want them in the finals. Look at it this way. You got to play against Archer and have a chance to see how you rate against a top player. I would have rather played than win by a forfeit.

And you have to consider that Archer may have been tied up picking lint off of another table. :rolleyes:
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I never raised my daughters to think this way....all one has in life is their word.
 
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This example = just another one of many problems with pool and why it will never get the money or exposure....

In golf, if a player misses the tee time for a pro-am, he's disqualified completely from the entire event.....no excuses, no bs....

You are late for an interview, you don't get the job....

Hell, even football players have been sat out out an entire half for being late to a game....
 
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