That is all well and good...but Mr Wheeler went to the tournament desk and was told that JA was on the clock and had 5 minutes left. He showed up 1/2 hour later.
That's not a computer problem. It's favoritism.
Melissa
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That is all well and good...but Mr Wheeler went to the tournament desk and was told that JA was on the clock and had 5 minutes left. He showed up 1/2 hour later.
That's not a computer problem. It's favoritism.
Melissa
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I feel for the individual here on the wrong end of the JA match.
Just a side bar to tell you a story about a close to forfeit match that happened in 2000. The 2000 U.S.Open 9-Ball Tournament and Earl has a 9:00 PM semi-final match with Jon Kucharo. 9:05 PM, no Earl and the crowd starts to rumble as he is just announced as "on the clock". I was helping Scott Smith with the tournament so I decide to go to the front desk where tickets are sold and ask one of Barry's daughters to call the Holiday Inn and ask for Earl's room. They call and no one answers. It's now 9:10 PM, 5 minutes to forfeit. I run over to the Holiday Inn, which is not that far away, and explain the situation to the front desk person and ask her to come with me to knock on his door. She doesn't want to do it but I tell her that 50K is on the line so she relunctantly "walks" up the steps to his 2nd floor room. She knocks on the door a couple of times and no one answers. We are about to leave and I thought I would try one more thing. I hold my ear up to the door and can hear the tv. I pound on the door and after a couple of minutes Earl opens the door with a toothbrush in his mouth (probably just panicked a flushed the stash down the toilet). I tell him he has like two minutes and I grab his cue and we run to the tournament room. He makes it with less than a minute left, screws his cue together, no practice, and drills Kucharo like 11-4 and then goes on to win the tournament.
I feel for the individual here on the wrong end of the JA match.
Just a side bar to tell you a story about a close to forfeit match that happened in 2000. The 2000 U.S.Open 9-Ball Tournament and Earl has a 9:00 PM semi-final match with Jon Kucharo. 9:05 PM, no Earl and the crowd starts to rumble as he is just announced as "on the clock". I was helping Scott Smith with the tournament so I decide to go to the front desk where tickets are sold and ask one of Barry's daughters to call the Holiday Inn and ask for Earl's room. They call and no one answers. It's now 9:10 PM, 5 minutes to forfeit. I run over to the Holiday Inn, which is not that far away, and explain the situation to the front desk person and ask her to come with me to knock on his door. She doesn't want to do it but I tell her that 50K is on the line so she relunctantly "walks" up the steps to his 2nd floor room. She knocks on the door a couple of times and no one answers. We are about to leave and I thought I would try one more thing. I hold my ear up to the door and can hear the tv. I pound on the door and after a couple of minutes Earl opens the door with a toothbrush in his mouth (probably just panicked a flushed the stash down the toilet). I tell him he has like two minutes and I grab his cue and we run to the tournament room. He makes it with less than a minute left, screws his cue together, no practice, and drills Kucharo like 11-4 and then goes on to win the tournament.
Here is all I know,
I was rooming with JA, they called his phone and his ringer was off, they called his pool room in Alanta looking for him, the pool room called him his ringer was off. We assumed they knew he was staying with me, he was in the room and they never called me or the room. When he noticed he had 9 missed calls he ran down stairs. After talking about it we thought everyone there knew I was rooming with him and I never got a call, one time years ago we were rooming and I did get a call for JA-not for a match but for a interview.
We were watching the TV trying to figure out when he played, we should have called the TD's desk-our fault. Or they should have called me. It was a F up for sure. Just thought you would like to know that JA wasnt wasting time or being lazy or disrespectful, he felt real bad about being late and said so to me and Putnam when he got back from the room, he was embarassed about being late. He/I wished they called me. Its not the TD's responsibility, they did think to call his pool room, but forgot about calling me, the room was in my name so thats probably why they didnt call the room. JA never misses matches, He does usually have the ringer off because he is playing and forgets to turn it on. That happens all the time not just at pool tournments.
But he was very embarassed that he was late, it wasnt a move or disrespectful in any way. He dosent roll like that. I hope that clears things up, its the Gods honest truth. It was a mistake on his/our part and they probably just didnt think to call me when they were looking for him, but they didnt waste any time looking for him. I'm sure if they thought about it, I would have got the call and he would have been there on the spot.
As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone, now in the beginning they would enforce the 15 minute rule. But since there was enough time they played the match late no matter who plays. This isnt nit league pool where people try to win by the rules instead of winning by playing pool, "the more rules the lessor the player" thing comes to mind, if they would have DQed him even if there was adaquite time. If there wasnt time then yes JA should have been DQed like anyone else. but since there was time nobody should be DQed-because there is time. Winning by technicalitys is nit league BS IMO. So they made the right call.
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eric
Johnny Archer is laughing at every single one of you.
He doesn't care, and never will care cause people are too concerned with kissing his ass and worshiping him instead of treating him like everyone else who shows up late.
The TD's and tournament promoters need to stop kissing the "name" players asses and grow a friggin spine already.
Forfeit them and let them go bittch and complain to everyone who will listen till they realize that THEY were the ones who were late.
Any tournament that allows this to happen so that non name players who usually have no sponsorship deals helping them out with the bills can get crapped on by name players who do, is a joke IMO.
But don't expect them to change for you. As long as the name players are happy, they don't care about anyone else.
Believe me, JA and the guys running the show, probably all went out for a round of drinks and probably toasted you "Aaaaawww, some poor little guy wanted a forfeit. Cheers to that mofo! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Believe me, you forfeit pros who think they are above it all, and start taking potential money out of their pocket, they will fall in line like everyone else.
It's really that simple.
He doesn't care, and never will care cause people are too concerned with kissing his ass and worshiping him instead of treating him like everyone else who shows up late.
The TD's and tournament promoters need to stop kissing the "name" players asses and grow a friggin spine already.
Forfeit them and let them go bittch and complain to everyone who will listen till they realize that THEY were the ones who were late.
Any tournament that allows this to happen so that non name players who usually have no sponsorship deals helping them out with the bills can get crapped on by name players who do, is a joke IMO.
But don't expect them to change for you. As long as the name players are happy, they don't care about anyone else.
Believe me, JA and the guys running the show, probably all went out for a round of drinks and probably toasted you "Aaaaawww, some poor little guy wanted a forfeit. Cheers to that mofo! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Believe me, you forfeit pros who think they are above it all, and start taking potential money out of their pocket, they will fall in line like everyone else.
It's really that simple.
So why bother having rules then?
So they can break them for name players and enforce them for everyone else?
Such a joke.
It's apparent you don't know Johnny.
As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone, now in the beginning they would enforce the 15 minute rule. But since there was enough time they played the match late no matter who plays. This isnt nit league pool where people try to win by the rules instead of winning by playing pool, "the more rules the lessor the player" thing comes to mind, if they would have DQed him even if there was adaquite time. If there wasnt time then yes JA should have been DQed like anyone else. but since there was time nobody should be DQed-because there is time. Winning by technicalitys is nit league BS IMO. So they made the right call.
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eric
Sorry, Eric, respectfully disagree with the above paragraph. I don't think it is a nit move to expect rules to be enforced for everyone.
Doesn't matter.
If he were a true professional with any class, he would have forfeited HIMSELF!
Seeing as how he decided instead to bend the rules to his favor, he basically laughed in Wybrook's face.
Doesn't get any more obvious then that.
Here is all I know,
I was rooming with JA, they called his phone and his ringer was off, they called his pool room in Alanta looking for him, the pool room called him his ringer was off. We assumed they knew he was staying with me, he was in the room and they never called me or the room. When he noticed he had 9 missed calls he ran down stairs. After talking about it we thought everyone there knew I was rooming with him and I never got a call, one time years ago we were rooming and I did get a call for JA-not for a match but for a interview.
We were watching the TV trying to figure out when he played, we should have called the TD's desk-our fault. Or they should have called me. It was a F up for sure. Just thought you would like to know that JA wasnt wasting time or being lazy or disrespectful, he felt real bad about being late and said so to me and Putnam when he got back from the room, he was embarassed about being late. He/I wished they called me. Its not the TD's responsibility, they did think to call his pool room, but forgot about calling me, the room was in my name so thats probably why they didnt call the room. JA never misses matches, He does usually have the ringer off because he is playing and forgets to turn it on. That happens all the time not just at pool tournments.
But he was very embarassed that he was late, it wasnt a move or disrespectful in any way. He dosent roll like that. I hope that clears things up, its the Gods honest truth. It was a mistake on his/our part and they probably just didnt think to call me when they were looking for him, but they didnt waste any time looking for him. I'm sure if they thought about it, I would have got the call and he would have been there on the spot.
As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone...
... So they made the right call.
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eric
Eric- you usually have a pretty sensible view of events, but you ar off on this one. They called Johnny's phone and his work, making more than a reasonable effort to reach him.
SStar: You can bet Johnny knew Wheeler...and also knows that he doesn't have to win against him.
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Fatboy- you are too close to this to offer an unbiased opinion. It was not "nit" pool. It was following the rules. Did everyone that was 1/2 hour late get the same consideration? If the answer is "no" then favoritism was showed. Yup, I agree, it would have been a shame in round 7 to do this to a great player like Archer, but in THE BOOK OF LIFE, in Chapter 1; page 1 it clearly says: "Life is difficult". Even for "special" people.
The other guy got screwed. Next tournament JA should make sure he turns his ringer back on and be responsible for the outcome of his actions.
Bob
The other guy got screwed. Next tournament JA should make sure he turns his ringer back on and be responsible for the outcome of his actions.
Bob
Here is all I know,
I was rooming with JA, they called his phone and his ringer was off, they called his pool room in Alanta looking for him, the pool room called him his ringer was off. We assumed they knew he was staying with me, he was in the room and they never called me or the room. When he noticed he had 9 missed calls he ran down stairs. After talking about it we thought everyone there knew I was rooming with him and I never got a call, one time years ago we were rooming and I did get a call for JA-not for a match but for a interview.
We were watching the TV trying to figure out when he played, we should have called the TD's desk-our fault. Or they should have called me. It was a F up for sure. Just thought you would like to know that JA wasnt wasting time or being lazy or disrespectful, he felt real bad about being late and said so to me and Putnam when he got back from the room, he was embarassed about being late. He/I wished they called me. Its not the TD's responsibility, they did think to call his pool room, but forgot about calling me, the room was in my name so thats probably why they didnt call the room. JA never misses matches, He does usually have the ringer off because he is playing and forgets to turn it on. That happens all the time not just at pool tournments.
But he was very embarassed that he was late, it wasnt a move or disrespectful in any way. He dosent roll like that. I hope that clears things up, its the Gods honest truth. It was a mistake on his/our part and they probably just didnt think to call me when they were looking for him, but they didnt waste any time looking for him. I'm sure if they thought about it, I would have got the call and he would have been there on the spot.
As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone, now in the beginning they would enforce the 15 minute rule. But since there was enough time they played the match late no matter who plays. This isnt nit league pool where people try to win by the rules instead of winning by playing pool, "the more rules the lessor the player" thing comes to mind, if they would have DQed him even if there was adaquite time. If there wasnt time then yes JA should have been DQed like anyone else. but since there was time nobody should be DQed-because there is time. Winning by technicalitys is nit league BS IMO. So they made the right call.
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eric
So you agree...there is favoritism. First, it is not the tournament director's job to hunt down the player, let alone the person he's rooming with. All they should be doing is call out the match. They did more than enough to try to contact him on his cell. I doubt they call everyone's cell who's late for their matches, and if they don't...favoritism.
Forfeit.
Others have been forfeited during the event.
IMO, as nice a guy as Johnny may be and whether he intended to be late or not, Wheeler got...
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Eric,
You and I do not know one another, but I must respectfully disagree with you on this point. Professional rules are professional rules.
A recent incident in pro golf comes to mind: I believe it was Jim Furyk, one of the top professionals in his sport and an incredibly popular player, was 12 minutes late for his tee time in a tournament last year, and as a result he was DQ'd from the entire event. Mind you, he wasn't even late for his tournament tee time - he was late for his pro-am tee time, which the players are required to play in.
He woke up late, said he hadn't set a wake-up call but had relied on his cell phone alarm. He showed up without socks or something silly like that because he was trying so hard to make that tee time.
Instead, because of 12 little minutes, he had to pack his stuff and leave or watch everyone else play from the clubhouse. JA was 40 minutes late.
JA is a legend, no one disputes that. But that legend status does not put him outside of the rules. It's not fair to accuse the opponent of trying to win by forfeit. He had a right to win by forfeit since Mr. Archer did not show up for his match time. There is no dishonor for Mr. Wheeler in expecting the rules to be enforced and being disappointed that the tournament directors chose not to enforce them.
(BTW, Jim Furyk walked up to the official and said "Disqualified?" The official said yes, and that was the end of the story. In an interview later, Jim doesn't blame anyone but himself, and while he was disappointed, he understands that the rules are the rules, and everyone else that morning followed them. He knows it wasn't a decision that the officials made but that it was plain fact that he was disqualified for missing his start time.)
..and just to clarify as if it wasn't obvious in my post....
I never said Johnny did this intentionally. I like the guy and feel he is good for pool. I am only stating what the events were and that I felt like I got shoved aside. I don't care who I play, in what round, in what tournament. Yes, there can be favorable circumstances, but the 15 minutes late rule was clearly defined and used many times in the tourney without bias towards any player.
I just wanted to know why it was not used in a situation where I could have benefitted. I probably would have posted the same thread had I won the match just to see what people thought.
I never said Johnny did this intentionally. I like the guy and feel he is good for pool. I am only stating what the events were and that I felt like I got shoved aside. I don't care who I play, in what round, in what tournament. Yes, there can be favorable circumstances, but the 15 minutes late rule was clearly defined and used many times in the tourney without bias towards any player.
I just wanted to know why it was not used in a situation where I could have benefitted. I probably would have posted the same thread had I won the match just to see what people thought.
Maybe you are giving too much benefit of the doubt.
Make no mistake.
JA took advantage of the fact that he was not forfeited and went on to beat you.
As far as i am concerned, that is the telltale sign that he thinks the rules don't apply to him.
Anyone who doesn't abide by the rules, has no regard for those rules in the first place.
If JA truly felt bad like some people propose, he should have forfeited the match after that amount of time.
But he didn't.
Here is all I know,
I was rooming with JA, they called his phone and his ringer was off, they called his pool room in Alanta looking for him, the pool room called him his ringer was off. We assumed they knew he was staying with me, he was in the room and they never called me or the room. When he noticed he had 9 missed calls he ran down stairs. After talking about it we thought everyone there knew I was rooming with him and I never got a call, one time years ago we were rooming and I did get a call for JA-not for a match but for a interview.
We were watching the TV trying to figure out when he played, we should have called the TD's desk-our fault. Or they should have called me. It was a F up for sure. Just thought you would like to know that JA wasnt wasting time or being lazy or disrespectful, he felt real bad about being late and said so to me and Putnam when he got back from the room, he was embarassed about being late. He/I wished they called me. Its not the TD's responsibility, they did think to call his pool room, but forgot about calling me, the room was in my name so thats probably why they didnt call the room. JA never misses matches, He does usually have the ringer off because he is playing and forgets to turn it on. That happens all the time not just at pool tournments.
But he was very embarassed that he was late, it wasnt a move or disrespectful in any way. He dosent roll like that. I hope that clears things up, its the Gods honest truth. It was a mistake on his/our part and they probably just didnt think to call me when they were looking for him, but they didnt waste any time looking for him. I'm sure if they thought about it, I would have got the call and he would have been there on the spot.
As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone, now in the beginning they would enforce the 15 minute rule. But since there was enough time they played the match late no matter who plays. This isnt nit league pool where people try to win by the rules instead of winning by playing pool, "the more rules the lessor the player" thing comes to mind, if they would have DQed him even if there was adaquite time. If there wasnt time then yes JA should have been DQed like anyone else. but since there was time nobody should be DQed-because there is time. Winning by technicalitys is nit league BS IMO. So they made the right call.
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eric
Makes me wonder how you felt about the ring game draw...........
Where's the facebook 'like' button when you need one!...lol!
Johnny should have been foreited, PERIOD!! Everyone knows that he wasn't late intentionally as I don't think anyone would ever be late intentionally, but shit happens. You play by the rules that are laid out to everyone before the tourney starts.
Had this been me playing Johnny, they would have had to kick me out of the casino if they didn't forfeit him. No way I would have hit one ball against him.
Mr. Wheeler won this match, plain and simple and got screwed. I can't believe you actually played knowing that you were in the right and should have advanced. Why did you do that?
Had this been me playing Johnny, they would have had to kick me out of the casino if they didn't forfeit him. No way I would have hit one ball against him.
Mr. Wheeler won this match, plain and simple and got screwed. I can't believe you actually played knowing that you were in the right and should have advanced. Why did you do that?
I was at the HOF dinner for the One Pocket and Banks and had an 8pm one pocket match, me and Scott Frost both looked at one another in the middle of the dinner and said time to go. We both had passes to stay at the dinner until it was over and then go to our matches but that would have been probably after 9pm if we did that. I did not like rushing from the dinner to the match but I owed my opponent some respect and I was not going to make him wait an hour as he had already waited I believe 15-20 minutes. He won and I lost, he got to play on the table for awhile and I am came in cold, I was full on food and sauced up anyway. :grin: