Derby City Favortism...

[Kid Dynomite]

The forfeit rule was explained to me in a different way at the tournament desk...

(I missed the players meetings)

My banks match was at 11:00.
11:00 I'm there, opponent is not.
11:20 Opponent still not there, so I go to tournament desk and let them know, and ask if he gets forfeiterd. They tell me, the 15 min time STARTS when I go to the desk and they announce his name.
11:20, desk announces his name on the PA and says he's on the clock.
11:40, opponent still not there, I go to desk, and they award me the match.

I had this same situation and was told "he called and is on the way" no forfeit. I still won the match thou!!!!!

Only thing i did not like was the draw was at 10:45 and with hundreds of names it took 15 to 20 minutes to get to your name on the list and another 15 or 20 to get to the table if your tables is up stairs!

Also, i used my smart phone to look online at the draw and it was not posted or working! It caused me some confusion since local screen projector showed one thing and the website showed another!

Just my 2 cents!!!

Kid Dynomite
Dennis Wilson Jr. A.K.A (Mike)

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I went out in the same 7th round and must say that the time was clearly posted and no unusual circumstances existed to my knowledge to explain not being at the table when play begins at 11:00

I did have a situation with Kirkwood where he gave me a game. I had to tell him it was considered a foul and a additional game would be awarded. He agreed not to do it again and I was a gentleman about it and only marked one game!

I had another opponent do the same thing earlier and he knew the rule because me and the fellow on the next table had mentioned it ALOUD! I got on the 9 and he says "that's good"! Since we had spoken about this less than 5 minutes ago I took the extra game that time!

In the one pocket match I place my opponent in a trap cubbed up against the stack. The rule states "ANY STROKE AT 45 DEGREES IS NOT A FOUL" so with balls in the way he PLOWS through the balls and pushes throught to a safe position and jam banks balls on his side!

I was mortified to say the least! But, nothing I could do and it was the rule. I had to go get the ref before he shot and he said 45 degrees and even a obvious push shot with balls 2 centimeters apart was "GOOD" it really upset me! But, is something to add to my arsenal when and if it comes up again! needless to say with balls that close together the cue ball stopped 8 to 9 inches or more BEYOND the blocking balls in a clear Foul!

My 2 cents on the Derby !!!

Kid Dynomite
Dennis Wilson jr.
Mike

 

[pooladdict]

I feel for the individual here on the wrong end of the JA match.

Just a side bar to tell you a story about a close to forfeit match that happened in 2000. The 2000 U.S.Open 9-Ball Tournament and Earl has a 9:00 PM semi-final match with Jon Kucharo. 9:05 PM, no Earl and the crowd starts to rumble as he is just announced as "on the clock". I was helping Scott Smith with the tournament so I decide to go to the front desk where tickets are sold and ask one of Barry's daughters to call the Holiday Inn and ask for Earl's room. They call and no one answers. It's now 9:10 PM, 5 minutes to forfeit. I run over to the Holiday Inn, which is not that far away, and explain the situation to the front desk person and ask her to come with me to knock on his door. She doesn't want to do it but I tell her that 50K is on the line so she relunctantly "walks" up the steps to his 2nd floor room. She knocks on the door a couple of times and no one answers. We are about to leave and I thought I would try one more thing. I hold my ear up to the door and can hear the tv. I pound on the door and after a couple of minutes Earl opens the door with a toothbrush in his mouth (probably just panicked a flushed the stash down the toilet). I tell him he has like two minutes and I grab his cue and we run to the tournament room. He makes it with less than a minute left, screws his cue together, no practice, and drills Kucharo like 11-4 and then goes on to win the tournament.

What???

 

[Fatboy]

Makes me wonder how you felt about the ring game draw...........

lol, i was #1 on the first draw and last on the redraw, I didnt really have a shot, but it was fun-i'm sure glad I played in it, my goal was not to be the first guy knocked out. I know I had zero chance to win. :smile:

 

[Fatboy]

Sorry, Eric, respectfully disagree with the above paragraph. I don't think it is a nit move to expect rules to be enforced for everyone.

Fair enough, i'll stand corrected. I dont play in tournments and aint hip to all the rules, or how ridigedly they are enforced. And i'm sure that some people do get favors while others dont, life aint fair-I bet we can all agree on that.

 

[ridinda9]

I had to play Johnny Archer in the 7th round of the 9 ball on Saturday at 11:00am.

At 11:30 am, Johnny shows up and I am told to play, even though he is a half hour late.

I was a little bothered by this whole episode and it reflected in my game and I henceforth, lost the match.

7-3, but I could have won more if I didn't miss that 1 ball and that 1 kick, and break dry twice.

Haha.... I am not there to play against Johnny Archer to get experience. I can win the match if he makes one or two mistakes, or breaks poorly...

Yes , but unfortunately , you made the mistakes (miss the 1 , and that one kick . . .) and broke poorly (twice) .

I never said that I lost the match due to this . . .

Yes , you did . See "henceforth" , above .

Henceforth means 'from this point forward' or 'due to this' .


Adam , it sux that Johnny made you wait . And it sux that the officials didn't call the forfeit . Your option , of course , was to 'force' the forfeit by leaving the arena after his deadline had elapsed . You did not , and remained to play the match .
After that , Johnny just flat outplayed you .
It is only wishful thinking to think that there would have been another outcome . . .

Don't know what you were expecting here , but all my cryin' towels are in the laundry . . .:frown:

 

[chevybob20]

JA is one of my favorite pro's to watch. With that being said, he should have forfieted.

He was late enough times that they announced, "Johnny, you're never on time for your match, Archer, you're on the clock".

 

[w9ball]

Ya, sorry Adam thats tough action, not only do you have to beat all the best players in the world, but you have to beat them by tougher rules than they play by. I know its easy to say now but if it happens again you could just pack your cues and leave in this situation, just say to the tournament director or whoever was keeping track of win losses you were told he forfeited, after all, they told you he was on the clock. Then they would have either had to forfeit you or him, since he wasn't there first you should win. But then again you should have won by forfeit anyway even if you were there. The fact of the matter is JA just flat didn't know what time his match was, that is his fault, no exception should have been made here. That sucks dude...

 

[richiebalto]

I seen johnny picking boogies at the front desk of the hotel,oh iam sorry he was picking lint out of that big horn,what ever it was,it made me sick to my stomach,him doing that while talking to some one,come on guy grow up,act your age,you never know when some ones watching you!i hope thats not why he was late to his match,trying to get the big one.

 

[AJC]

I seen johnny picking boogies at the front desk of the hotel,oh iam sorry he was picking lint out of that big horn,what ever it was,it made me sick to my stomach,him doing that while talking to some one,come on guy grow up,act your age,you never know when some ones watching you!i hope thats not why he was late to his match,trying to get the big one.

Bahahahaha!

 

[BasementDweller]

Here is all I know,

I was rooming with JA, they called his phone and his ringer was off, they called his pool room in Alanta looking for him, the pool room called him his ringer was off. We assumed they knew he was staying with me, he was in the room and they never called me or the room. When he noticed he had 9 missed calls he ran down stairs. After talking about it we thought everyone there knew I was rooming with him and I never got a call, one time years ago we were rooming and I did get a call for JA-not for a match but for a interview.

We were watching the TV trying to figure out when he played, we should have called the TD's desk-our fault. Or they should have called me. It was a F up for sure. Just thought you would like to know that JA wasnt wasting time or being lazy or disrespectful, he felt real bad about being late and said so to me and Putnam when he got back from the room, he was embarassed about being late. He/I wished they called me. Its not the TD's responsibility, they did think to call his pool room, but forgot about calling me, the room was in my name so thats probably why they didnt call the room. JA never misses matches, He does usually have the ringer off because he is playing and forgets to turn it on. That happens all the time not just at pool tournments.


But he was very embarassed that he was late, it wasnt a move or disrespectful in any way. He dosent roll like that. I hope that clears things up, its the Gods honest truth. It was a mistake on his/our part and they probably just didnt think to call me when they were looking for him, but they didnt waste any time looking for him. I'm sure if they thought about it, I would have got the call and he would have been there on the spot.


As far as favoritizim goes, I really dont know, in that late of a round with they way things timed out most likely they would have held the spot open for anyone, now in the beginning they would enforce the 15 minute rule. But since there was enough time they played the match late no matter who plays. This isnt nit league pool where people try to win by the rules instead of winning by playing pool, "the more rules the lessor the player" thing comes to mind, if they would have DQed him even if there was adaquite time. If there wasnt time then yes JA should have been DQed like anyone else. but since there was time nobody should be DQed-because there is time. Winning by technicalitys is nit league BS IMO. So they made the right call.



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eric

I was wondering why they didn't call me. I figure since I was sitting here in Stevensville Michigan, and I wasn't playing in the tournament I could have spent my time trying to track him down. Or maybe they could have called Earl. I heard they are always looking out for each other.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Dcc

This has been a common complaint at DCC for years. I used to go to tournaments all over the country but limit myself to just a few now.

For any nit saying that Johnny shouldnt have been forefited, you baffle me.

You got screwed, plain and simple.

Ken

 

[knifemaker]

I think you should have put 5 games on the wire and told him yoiu had to play without him or he would have been forfitied and you did it as a favor to him so he would not be. What could he say.
Next time he would have been on time.
Sounds good anyway.

 

[Wags]

Happened to me once

I was playing in a state tournament and was there early to get to know the table. Match time came and went and after 5 min. went to the TD. I was told he was on the clock and they PA'd him to the table. (The rule was 15 min.) In 10 more min. I went to the TD and said he still was a no show. They then gave another FINAL announcement and 5 more min. I went back to the table and back to the TD in 5 min. and they declared me the winner.

So-o-o-o, I'm hanging around the room catching up with friends and I get PA'd to the tournament desk, now 50 min. after match time. The opponent is there with a sob story and the TD says that we are playing on table 35 now. I said, that match has already been forfeited. The TD says that if I don't play it will be a forfeit for my opponent.

I wasn't ready to play. I was beat mentally on how this could happen. At that time I was a player that people liked to pick on, in a good way, because I won more than my share. My opponent was a local to the tournament venue, that I'm supposed to beat. The TD was his League Operator.

I wasted 3 games in a race to 5 thinking about all the things I was going to say to the TD. I was down 3-0. I then realized that I would be just another whiny complainer to the TD if I lost the match. My well-thought out statements wouldn't mean a thing. I could only complain if I won.

My attitude changed, my game changed and I shot some of the best pool ever to that point in my life. I won the match 5-3. I didn't shake my opponents hand, first and last time ever and made my way to the tournament desk. Halfway there I see this TD looking at me and he disappears into the crowd.

Lesson: take the forfeit, leave the room, show up for your next match.

PS. I did run in to the TD the next day. He completely brushed me off and avoided me. All my good lines were wasted. (Probably even if I got to say them.)

My question to all is: Why isn't the tardy rule enforced just as hard as any of the game rules? A tournament rule is a rule.

Player: "Oh, I didn't mean to touch an object ball when placing the BIH cue ball. I had a hand spasm and the doctor told me that as I got older they would get worse."

TD/Ref: "Well that's okay then, it wasn't your fault so then we'll let it slide this time, but don't let it happen again. We might call a foul next time."

 

[dynamite]

Here here

I was forfeited in round 2 of the banks I turned up 20mins late I deserved to be forfireted so I didn't complain as I knew the rules ,

It's wrong for Adam to play a match when he should have been through to round 8, mentally it was tough for him to get back in the zone ...

Dyno

 

[jalapus logan]

I was forfeited in round 2 of the banks I turned up 20mins late I deserved to be forfireted so I didn't complain as I knew the rules ,

It's wrong for Adam to play a match when he should have been through to round 8, mentally it was tough for him to get back in the zone ...

Dyno

Now that is a professional opinion...

 

[cleary]

I had to play Johnny Archer in the 7th round of the 9 ball on Saturday at 11:00am. I got there and hit balls early as well as most of the other players and the matches were announced a few minutes after 11. Everyone started their matches except for me.

At 11:10 am, Johnny wasn't there so I went to the tournament desk and advised them and the woman attending to the tournament told me he was on the clock and had 5 minutes.

At 11:20 am I went back to the desk and asked them if it was now a forfeit and what time the next draw was at, since Johnny had not shown up yet. I was told that they didnt have the authority to forfeit him...?

At 11:30 am, Johnny shows up and I am told to play, even though he is a half hour late.

I was a little bothered by this whole episode and it reflected in my game and I henceforth, lost the match. I went and found the tournament director who was not present during the earlier dealings and he said that since he was not present he can't make a decision. I was told to go talk to the "real" head tournament director "Paul Smith", who I looked for and asked for, but he was not around the desk (apparently, just when things like this come up).

I feel a little jaded by this whole situation and wanted to vent a little. There were lots of players forfeited over the tournament, why not this match? The rule was 15 mintutes, as specified in the Player's Meeting and posted on the site. It cost me an extra $300 and possibly more, if I had won the match.

Any thoughts?

Lets be honest here.. if you would have ended up playing and beating bad, would you have made this post?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Lets be honest here.. if you would have ended up playing and beating bad, would you have made this post?

He shouldn't have had to play. That's the point.
The mistake that was made was actually playing the match.

By playing the match, he is basically agreeing to the rules being bent for his opponent.

I would have just unscrewed and walked off. If they then called the match when he did show up and put me on the clock, i would make them wait 40 minutes and then tell whoever was in charge exactly what they could do with it if they tried to forfeit me.

But i sure as hell wouldn't have played.

 

[cleary]

Oh sorry, let me re-phrase that:


Lets be honest here.. if you would have ended up playing and beating bad, would you have made this post?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Oh sorry, let me re-phrase that:


Lets be honest here.. if you would have ended up playing and beating bad, would you have made this post?

Guess you like missing the point completely then.
Nice.