Eric Crisp - Sugartree cues REVIEW

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I thought you were talking about me for a second. Then I read the top shelf and deposit part and knew I was safe :D

cueaddicts said:
I feel your pain, brother, I really do....but look at it on the bright side. At least you didn't lay out a deposit. I've still got upwards of $1000 on deposit with a top shelf cuemaker that has strung the order out to over 7 years now !!!! The experience has solidified one thing for me......no more deposits, period. Still holding on to some hope for this cue, though, keeping my fingers crossed and thinking positive thoughts. :)
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Murray Tucker said:
I thought you were talking about me for a second. Then I read the top shelf and deposit part and knew I was safe :D
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7-year wait?
Must be a hobbyist too. :D
 
JoeyInCali said:
7-year wait?
Must be a hobbyist too. :D
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I dont understand how someone can have a wait that is years long and be a hobbyist.People are saying Eric doesnt charge $1500-$2000 a cue and that the flippers and sellers do,what does he charge?
 
Fast Lenny said:
I dont understand how someone can have a wait that is years long and be a hobbyist.People are saying Eric doesnt charge $1500-$2000 a cue and that the flippers and sellers do,what does he charge?
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I believe at least 20% less.
IF you don't do this full-time ( no other job ), you are a hobbyist imo.
 
I believe at least 20% less.
IF you don't do this full-time ( no other job ), you are a hobbyist imo.
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i shouldn't really comment b/c i don't know exactly what his pricing structure is,but from waht i have seen i would say 30-40% less.he had a few cues for sale at the other place for $500 last month.i tried to snag one,but he knew what i was up too.
 
masonh said:
i shouldn't really comment b/c i don't know exactly what his pricing structure is,but from waht i have seen i would say 30-40% less.he had a few cues for sale at the other place for $500 last month.i tried to snag one,but he knew what i was up too.
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That's about spot on. Some of the SP's, however, are near 100% markup. They don't have any trouble selling though. I mean...I'd love to pick up every damned ST around for a few hundred bucks...but it's not at all realistic. It's not uncommon, and quite understandable, how aggravating it can be trying to pick one of these up. You usually have to be logged on to the forum...and hitting refresh like a mad man just to get a whiff of one of these things...and even then you need to be prepared to pull the trigger on a high $ transaction. His stuff's moved very well in a market that I hear everyone calling "soft". I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on why that is.

All I know is going forward...the one's I buy...I'm keeping. I'm on my fourth one now...the second I've bought direct from Eric. The previous 3 I let go, unfortunately. But...they allowed me to pickup a myriad of other cues that I've had the pleasure of shooting with and trading since.
 
His stuff's moved very well in a market that I hear everyone calling "soft". I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on why that is.
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i think saying the market is soft is a msitake.i think the market is pretty good,but it seems that certain cues are hot and lots of the once hot cues are no longer hot.i think the market is soft for cue dealers and poeple trying flip cues.some of those cues that used to be easy to sell for a profit are now being sold at a loss,but certain cues are still rising in value.look at Searing,SW and Sugartree to name a few.they are as strong as ever if not stonger.

on a side note.i do have a merry widow Sugartree for sale in the wanted section for under 1k if anyone is looking.
 
masonh said:
i think saying the market is soft is a msitake.i think the market is pretty good,but it seems that certain cues are hot and lots of the once hot cues are no longer hot.i think the market is soft for cue dealers and poeple trying flip cues.some of those cues that used to be easy to sell for a profit are now being sold at a loss,but certain cues are still rising in value.look at Searing,SW and Sugartree to name a few.they are as strong as ever if not stonger.

on a side note.i do have a merry widow Sugartree for sale in the wanted section for under 1k if anyone is looking.
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I have a lawsuit that funds by the end of July. If it had gone through already...there wouldn't be an ST currently on this forum that would still be for sale. *L* Including yours. I love that cue. Very nice. You should have no trouble moving that cue in relatively short order. I'm surprised it's been here this long.
 
something i have noticed

i have not had a chance to hit a ball with one of Erics cues they look great and i love his 4 point spliced cues. Alot of his plain janes have some fantasitc looking woods too!

i am just a bit curious about why they cost so much? i mean they look great and the workmanship looks top notch, the only thing that concerns me is a plain jane cue with very little ringwork and zero inlays can go for $1000-$1300+ some with only one shaft?

i understand he can charge whatever he wants and people can sell his cues for whatever they think they can get for them, i am just wondering what makes his cues worth that much with such a small amount of work being put into them.

i am not trying to bash his cuemaking skills, his stuff isnt worth what people are demanding as far as the amount of work and materials used.(someone please set me strait if i am way off the mark here)
 
Murray Tucker said:
I thought you were talking about me for a second. Then I read the top shelf and deposit part and knew I was safe :D
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Too funny, Murray. You know you asked for me not to bug you and I haven't. Still have my fingers crossed for you, too....that curly on curly cue would look real cool. :)
 
xpatcan1 said:
i have not had a chance to hit a ball with one of Erics cues they look great and i love his 4 point spliced cues. Alot of his plain janes have some fantasitc looking woods too!

i am just a bit curious about why they cost so much? i mean they look great and the workmanship looks top notch, the only thing that concerns me is a plain jane cue with very little ringwork and zero inlays can go for $1000-$1300+ some with only one shaft?

i understand he can charge whatever he wants and people can sell his cues for whatever they think they can get for them, i am just wondering what makes his cues worth that much with such a small amount of work being put into them.

i am not trying to bash his cuemaking skills, his stuff isnt worth what people are demanding as far as the amount of work and materials used.(someone please set me strait if i am way off the mark here)
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The thing about the workmanship and them looking great you said is spot on. And if you got the chance of shooting with one, the hit is what makes his cue stands out from the others, though i have had people disagreeing with me totally, well..

The hit of his cue is unique, hence if you like it, you will love it totally.
 
xpatcan1 said:
i have not had a chance to hit a ball with one of Erics cues they look great and i love his 4 point spliced cues. Alot of his plain janes have some fantasitc looking woods too!

i am just a bit curious about why they cost so much? i mean they look great and the workmanship looks top notch, the only thing that concerns me is a plain jane cue with very little ringwork and zero inlays can go for $1000-$1300+ some with only one shaft?

i understand he can charge whatever he wants and people can sell his cues for whatever they think they can get for them, i am just wondering what makes his cues worth that much with such a small amount of work being put into them.

i am not trying to bash his cuemaking skills, his stuff isnt worth what people are demanding as far as the amount of work and materials used.(someone please set me strait if i am way off the mark here)
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Here are some reasons in no particular order:

Supply and demand
Playability
Tasteful execution
Hype
 
Pharaoh68 i read your links to the subject of lying an dodging and either you can't read or just decide to read and interpet what you want. He said if you had been an ass, then you could of contacted him and worked it out and if not then he would play peekaboo, he never stated he was dodging you. You order a cue that has very unstable wood, and he admits to you that the unstable wood warped, do you think the guy just grabs the woods and cuts it down in a single day and there's your cue.

I know Eric personally now for almost 4yrs, and his standards are one of the highest I've ever seen. this is a guy who would make a 30 mile round trip to help me drop the transmission on my 4x4, fabricate a special too to help me replace my pilot bearing, and never ask for anything in return even when it was offered. And not once In the time I've known him has he ever lied about crap.

I've seen partially finished cues hanging in his shop that I thought were wonderful, but would never go anywhere because they had a minor flaw and didn't meet his excellent standards.

You have twisted his words to try and get everybody to give you a god damn pitty party, when you should of kept this crap private and just worked it out with him.

You should be ashamed trying to ruin a guys reputation when you don't know a damn thing about him, I've seen the guy buy back or replace earlier model cues that he built because they didn't meet the standards of the cues he makes today.

It's people like you that I have more then once tried to get him to just can his damn list and build what he want's to build instead of trying to plz everybody with what they want the specs to be, cause I know for a fact there pool players out there who would snatch up whatever design he decided to build cause his cues are just that damn good.

Never have I had a friend who would do so much for a person and not expect a damn thing in return just because he's that kind of guy, if the world was full of people more like him then we wouldn't have to put with whiney ass morons like yourself.

Your post doesn't mean squat, the man makes a very excellent high quality cue and goes more then out of his way to make his customer happy, even shady ones like you.
 
Eric is a great person to deal with

Eric shipped me a sneaky two years ago but, when UPS left it outside my house the tube was empty and the lid had been removed. When I contacted Eric to see if the package was insured, he shipped me a replacement at his cost and offered to let me keep the original cue too if UPS found it.

I think this is an example of excellent customer service.
 
i too have my fair share of great customer service by eric, 1st incident is when the shipping for an additional shaft gets lost and i contacted him, he send me a totally new one for free...

2nd incident, sadly one of his shafts warped, i told him and he replaced a new one for me and when i say i wanted an old growth, he gave me one of his best and did not charge me a single cent whatsoever
 
Eric posted a thread for some diamond quality shafts awhile back...I inquired about the quality, and what they would cost for a pair....Eric replied to my pm quickly....I requested that Eric put 2 of these diamond shafts a side for a conversion he was working on for me, and I would paypal him the funds....He replied that it wasn't necessary to paypal him any funds, and he would take care of me....I think some cuebuilders would of taken my money in a heart beat....jmo...I have another Eric Crisp story that I'll share another day....He is a generous person in my book!
 
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