Frank "Sailor" Stellman

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Dennis,
When I read posts like yours and Don's, I realize why I enjoy the forum so much. All of the posts about The Sailor from Racine, are in a sense, a masterpiece, a painting in progress and I like what I see.
Unfortunately, I have not been bitten by the bug of 14.1 but still enjoy the threads about it and especially the stories about the older players such as Frank Stellman. I can fully envision his passion for pool through the posts made about him.

With the "gathering" of these legends of pool, I sorely wish I would be there in person for this event. I sorely wish I could be there for this "gathering" of these legends of straight pool. I can only imagine with glee, Sailor discussing the sacrifices that are necessary to be a true student of the game.

Joey: Too bad you are not able to come by Red Shoes on July 23 for the straight pool qualifier. Long trip, I know.

But you would get to see John Lavin, Lou Figueroa, George Fels, Freddy the Beard, George Pawalski, and whomever else we are able to dig up. Otherwise, watch the live feed if you get a chance.
Don't know what happen to the last two photos but I did see them (I think). Thanks, Dennis.

Lou Figueroa

Lou: I uploaded better versions of some photos from my office computer today.

The Mosconi one is a picture of a picture that Sailor gave me.
 

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Thanks for the story!

I grew up in Racine, and when I was introduced to pool in college a friend offered to loan me a cue so I had something good to practice with until I decided to get one of my own. The cue he loaned me - a relatively plain Sailor. It actually belonged to a friend of his that was in prison, didn't know that at the time, but that's another story...

I played with that Sailor cue for a month or two, by then I was completely hooked on pool and looking to get my own stick. I liked the cue, so I decided to get one of my own. He took me over to Sailor's place, and we talked for a while. I went back a few more times to talk with Sailor, play a little, and watch others play. I ordered a cue, just gave him some rough idea of what I wanted and he built me a very nice cue with some nice designs and great woods for $175 (this was 1987 or so). I still remember when I went to pick it up he showed it to me, I loved it, and he took it and rifled off 3 or 4 racks of 9 ball and handed it to me and said that it should work - I guess so!!!

Over the years I hung out in his shop numerous times to play or watch, even ended up ordering another cue to use as a break cue / backup. I became friends with one of his younger students (Mark Foss, hell of a player when he was only 16 or 17) and was fortunate enough to watch some good pool, including Dallas West running over 150 balls on Sailor's table. Sailor was always kind and helpful, I'm glad to hear he's still doing well.

Scott
 
Phone Interview-Sailor the Outstanding

Just a note on my recent trip to visit Frank "Sailor" Stellman in Racine, Wisconsin. Noted cuemaker, player, and instructor. I spent a day with him; not sure I will ever view pool the same way again. Even at age 84, he has a love for the game, so all-consuming that I question whether anyone on this forum has even half of his enthusiasm. He is the epitome of the "pool fanatic" that many on here consider themselves.

I travelled there with Mark Wilson (pro player, instructor, commentator); who, along with many great players like Jeff Carter, Dallas West, and George Pawelski; credits Sailor with helping them achieve proficiency. Sailor was a HUGELY influential figure in the straight pool community, but is so modest and unassuming that he will take no credit for it. He is ALL about love of the game, doing what is best for the game, and PROMOTING EXCELLENCE. In his view there is a progression among players from PARTICIPATOR to POOL BUFF to PURIST. While he wants to promote the game at all of those levels, unless you are a "PURIST", I'm doubtful Sailor will have a very high estimation of you.

His old pool hall (now closed) was a mecca for the serious players. A place where excellence was valued and promoted. Two special tables reserved, one for "50 ball runners", and one for "100 ball runners." Plaques with the prominently named players who belonged to the "50 Ball Runners Club" and the "100 Ball Runners Club." Even one for the "25 Ball Runners Club." Local players would spare no expense or effort to belong to one of those elite "clubs."

Once his pool hall closed, Sailor had only his cuemaking shop. If he liked you, he would build you a cue that he thought you needed (rather than what you ordered:smile:). If he REALLY liked you, he would try to give it to you with no payment. If he didn't like you, your money would just be returned or refused.

A host of great local players would play on his shop table every day, while Sailor labored over his cues and kept an eye on their play. If you were not a 100 ball runner, you would most likely feel WAY too embarrassed to ever play on that shop table under the watchful eye of all the great players hanging around. After he finished the cuemaking work; Sailor would manicure the table and balls lovingly and painstakingly so that conditions were perfect for the night's play - then he would play or watch the feature matches in the shop. In the early morning, all the players would head to the local all night restaurant where EVERYONE waited eagerly for Sailor to break out the napkins and begin diagramming the shots and situations he had observed during the day - giving the players the benefit of his incredible straight pool knowledge.

When Sailor was a young man, fresh out of the Navy; he dedicated himself to improving his pool game - he was obsessed by the game. He played at least 600 points of straight pool EVERY SINGLE DAY for 8-10 years (he can't remember exactly). He initially carved a little notch (like a gunfighter) on his cue every time he ran 100 balls. He stopped after EIGHT HUNDRED NOTCHES because he was running 100 every day - training himself to do it in 3 tries or less.

Sailor will not tell anyone his high run (he says only 3 people saw it, 2 are in the grave, and one has a foot in it....says high runs are not important). He has many witnessed 300 ball runs - Mark saw him run 100 and out in 3 consecutive games...his opponent quit before Sailor could try for 4:smile:.

Fortunately, I did receive the opportunity to play some 14.1 on Sailor's table against Mark, with Sailor watching (he has a walking cast on one foot and can't play). There was no mistaking the enthusiasm and love he still has for the game - any great shot was rewarded with his effusive praise.

You could tell from the day long reminiscences that Mark Wilson was incredibly grateful for the chance to have been included in the clique of great players around Sailor. He has forgotten more about straight pool than I will probably ever know. While his surroundings are modest, cluttered, and chaotic; there is NO mistaking true pool greatness when you see it. Sailor is truly one of a kind; one of the few old school masters left.

I am truly grateful for the chance to spend some time with him; it has opened my eyes to the extreme amount of dedication and sacrifice necessary if you wish to master this very demanding game. It is more than most of us realize; and it is more than almost all of us are willing to give. It just happens to be necessary though if we wish to achieve greatness.
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Sailor-Frank Stellman Interview--Wins/Losses and more...
Nice tribute to a man of character, a great teacher, pool player, cue maker, and father.
In June 2009, I had a phone conversation with Sailor. I posted this last year, thought I'd post again. Sailor finally told me some of who he played over the years. I’ve been trying to get this from him for years. This is what he told me-wins and losses-below. I’ve never known Sailor to lie. He is a honorable man. His wife left him with two children. He raised both as a single father; had a small pool room in Racine, Ws. Before I took lessons from Sailor, I heard that in his prime some considered him top 10 in the US in 9Ball and straight pool. In the 90s, while living in Chicago, I took many lessons from Sailor. Carter and Wilson have been mentioned. Sailor coached Ron Dobizinski (WS) and many, many others to run over 100 balls and to play very good to outstanding 9 Ball.
I hope to continue interviewing Sailor, a man that Jeff Carter once said, “probably knows more about pool than anyone on the planet.”

Wins
Musconi in straight pool exhibition match downtown Chicago. Musconi promised him a pool stick if he won-never received it.
Of course some of these may have come back another day and won, although they did not.
Marvin Henderson-9 Ball—Marvin quit
Youngblood-9Ball
Bill Lawson-9 Ball
Joe Sabastion-9 Ball
Eugene Pucket-9 Ball
New York Blackey-9 Ball
Mexican Johnny-9 Ball

Broke Even with:
Broke even with Jimmy Mataya after 36 hours of playing 9 Ball.
Wennie Beanie-9 Ball--Played a long time--Sailor quit.

Losses
Bugs-9 Ball; yes Bugs could also play 9 Ball; Sailor said he was ill and had a bad night.

Written By Lanny Charles-Memphis
 
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the book is done. i got my book yesterday it will become one of the best billiard books to ever be wrote
 
One of Sailors most cherrished wins as he stated was over Bill (Irving) Lawson. As Billy Johnson stated during those years,,Bill was undefeatable during that time. I watched and Played Bill many times back during the mid and late 70's and he was getting along in years then and, he played ,,he really played...he was the one that helped Billy with his break when he was young,,and the ones that know,,,well that worked out pretty well.
Sailor had the right too really cherrish that match up. Many of the playes I met while traveling wanted to know if I ever got to see Bill in dead stroke,,I always replied that was the reason I developed so many holes in my pockets,,I played him on the cheap,,but he never held back and he could really get out.. Never got to meet Sailor,,but my hats off to that Gent as well.
 
One of the questions it appears that you didnt ask is his influence on cuemakers in Wisconson.

While I would guess there are more cuemakers per square mile in Florida (maybe 1 or more per town) than anyplace in the world, there are several in Wisconson. Many of them, well established and respected as well.

I think Sailor scolded Weston for his "flaired" butt caps, but I wonder who he helped or mentored in the cuemaker world.

Nice report and looking forward to more.

Ken
 
the book is done. i got my book yesterday it will become one of the best billiard books to ever be wrote

I got mine yesterday. Very impressive. Here is a quote from Mark Wilson.

Play Great Pool -the book is complete and available.
The book is back from the printer and represents years of effort. I insisted on the reading to be motivational, inspirational, while also being educational. I consider the book to be a textbook and not a one-time read type of thing. Explanation of the physics and bio-mechanics using sound principles and not opinion based assumption. How to acquire the skills with specific training exercises, check points to see that you are progressing, along with trouble shooting guidelines when struggles crop up.

The goal is to enable you to teach yourself using a designed system that will shorten the long way to superior proficiency. Any pool player interested in becoming a better player, no matter what their present skill set, will derive much benefit along with insights into the specifics of how to train.

The book is hardbound and full color, the cost is $70 and for this introduction free domestic shipping. You could order yours by mailing a check or money order to:

Mark Wilson
8561 Prairietown Rd.
Dorsey, Illinois
62021

I could not be more proud of this book and feel that the results are better than I dreamed, I am certain that you will feel the same. I would also like to thank all of the friends and supporters who had to endure with great patience the waiting for completion of something that represents my life goal.
Posted by Mark Wilson
 

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I was just talking to another player earlier tonight who grew up in Racine, WI and one time saw "Sailor" build a shaft out of a broom or mop handle, and no he wasn't joking, lol. Also had an interesting story about why the flair is on the butt, but I will leave that one for someone else to tell.
 
I also had the experience of visiting his dark room, lathe in the back, wood blanks all around, after a friend of mine provided me the opportunity to meet him. At that meeting we ended up discussing the designs I would like incorporated in a cue which he ultimately built for me. I loved the few times I spent with him during the process. I had the pleasure of shooting a little straight pool on his table replete with sharpie lines on the felt. After the session he decided the dimensions of my then impending cue. It is truly amazing the number of top players whose names grace the wall over his table, accompanied by their top straight pool runs made in that shop. Frank comes out of a different era, makes a great cue, and will never lose his love for the game. Thanks for the cue.
 
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I was just talking to another player earlier tonight who grew up in Racine, WI and one time saw "Sailor" build a shaft out of a broom or mop handle, and no he wasn't joking, lol. Also had an interesting story about why the flair is on the butt, but I will leave that one for someone else to tell.

wasn't the flair at the butt end supposed to be representative of the navy bell-bottom pants (which, btw, were purposeful in their being a floatation aid) since he was Frank "Sailor" Stellman?

best,
brian kc
 
One of the questions it appears that you didnt ask is his influence on cuemakers in Wisconson.

While I would guess there are more cuemakers per square mile in Florida (maybe 1 or more per town) than anyplace in the world, there are several in Wisconson. Many of them, well established and respected as well.

I think Sailor scolded Weston for his "flaired" butt caps, but I wonder who he helped or mentored in the cuemaker world.

Nice report and looking forward to more.

Ken

Yea Ken, I mentioned that he and Perry made the only flared butts I had ever seen and Frank got a little hot and said he had done them first and did not appreciate Perry using his design. Being a former sailor he may have used slightly more colorful words though.. ;)
 
I am very interested to speak with Mr. Stellman, I am told we have a mutual acquaintance that gifted me with one of his cues. It was a Mcdermott he had turned a new shaft for and did custom work on the rosewood butt.If it would not be an intrusion, a phone # would be greatly appreciated. If not my phone is 574-601-9037. If anyone in contact with him could deliver this request, it would be an honor just to briefly speak with him about this cue. I am told it was a hobby cue he had given away to a gentleman that had purchased one of his pieces. Thank you to any and all that may be able to help. Sincerely, Brock Waldron
 
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