Good News for American Pros
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He called himself God? I like him already
Mike Janis may want to offer up an apology
Mike Janis may want to offer up an apology
And doug Spelled Backwards is God......................(because the U is silent)
Well, that can't be right, because:
God is love,
And love is blind.
Ray Charles was blind,
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Wt4XlXUrc
smashmouth said:He called himself God? I like him already
Well, that can't be right, because:
God is love,
And love is blind.
Ray Charles was blind,
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Wt4XlXUrc
Mike Janis stated, "The offenders are a well known billiard entity but have no experience in these matters regarding tournaments or membership services. In fact, they have an already tarnished reputation ."
Based on that, I don't think he was talking about Mark Griffin.
Based on that, I don't think he was talking about Mark Griffin.
1. Mark Griffin has first meeting with the Pro's on the 12th to discuss formation of new pro events.
2. Mike Janis starts thread on the 13th stating someone is copying his idea of forming a new pro tour.
3. Mike Janis has logged into AZ today and hasn't came to the defense of Mark Griffin to try and ease all of the speculation.
1 + 2 + 3 = 6
6. Mike Janis believes Mark Griffin is copying his idea.
The only thing that doesn't add up to me is that Mike says that the person already has a tarnished reputation within the industry. I've never heard anything even close to that about Mark and his reputation.
2. Mike Janis starts thread on the 13th stating someone is copying his idea of forming a new pro tour.
3. Mike Janis has logged into AZ today and hasn't came to the defense of Mark Griffin to try and ease all of the speculation.
1 + 2 + 3 = 6
6. Mike Janis believes Mark Griffin is copying his idea.
The only thing that doesn't add up to me is that Mike says that the person already has a tarnished reputation within the industry. I've never heard anything even close to that about Mark and his reputation.
RBC
Deceased
With all due respect to those of you out there who are very excited about this good news, please be patient!
I was able to attend the second meeting, and I would certainly not share any details about it. The reason is that Mark stated that this is very much a work in progress and that it will be evolving over the next few weeks. In his post earlier, he said that he would release more details when they were available, so please be patient!
Also, I have to agree with JCIN that Mark has no equal in his personal support of pro pool. I was a vendor at the Qlympics and have witnessed this myself. The turn out was less than expected, but not only did every prize purse remain as advertised, all the checks cleared without incident. When Mark says he will add money, it is added, period!
My own perspective of Mark's new plan is that of envy. I can only say that I will do what I can to help him with this new endeavor. Good luck Mark, even though you don't need it. I am behind you!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
I was able to attend the second meeting, and I would certainly not share any details about it. The reason is that Mark stated that this is very much a work in progress and that it will be evolving over the next few weeks. In his post earlier, he said that he would release more details when they were available, so please be patient!
Also, I have to agree with JCIN that Mark has no equal in his personal support of pro pool. I was a vendor at the Qlympics and have witnessed this myself. The turn out was less than expected, but not only did every prize purse remain as advertised, all the checks cleared without incident. When Mark says he will add money, it is added, period!
My own perspective of Mark's new plan is that of envy. I can only say that I will do what I can to help him with this new endeavor. Good luck Mark, even though you don't need it. I am behind you!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
JCIN said:
Time flies when you're having fun! I think I was still sweating the Alex-Shane match. But the second and most important meeting (we got paid!) was on the 15th.
I stand corrected on the dates, my apologies. I'm going to blame it on old age. I didn't have access to a computer when I was in Vegas and when I got back and read the thread that Mr. Janis started, I thought the date was more recent than the 13th.DeadPoked said:
Aside from Mr. Griffin not having a tarnished reputation, which Mr.Janis said the entity "stealing his idea" had, Mr. Janis also came back on and said that the person had backed out of pursuing their "stolen" business venture. It's quite obvious that Mr. Griffin hasn't backed down and I would assume that if the person Mr. Janis was talking about had decided to once again pursue their endeavor, Mr. Janis more than likely would've become quite vocal again.
RBC said:
This paragraph should be plastered all over the website as a constant reminder. Well said sir.
I think the best way to look at it is that Mr. Griffin feels very strongly about everything that is going on. He's very emotional about this and a lot people use strong words in order to stress how strongly they feel about something.sunnyday said:
Mr. Griffin is a nice man and is not walking around cursing at everyone, calling them names, and acting like a dictator. I'm guessing this was either the only time GG11 had seen/heard Mr. Griffin and if not, they certainly don't know him on a personal level outside of a friendly hello passing through the hallway.
Mr. Griffin is passionate enough about the state of the pool world to take on this adventure charitably with no expectations of personal financial gain.
DeadPoked said:
Mark had to weather a storm when he bought the BCA pool leagues. He was getting it from all directions. It took him at least two years to prove that he was up to the task. After seeing how he handled that very ticklish situation, I think organizing pro events (and the players) will be a piece of cake for him. He has a good team around him (David, Mark, Ric et al), and a very supportive mate. Hell, if he told me he was going to climb Mt. Everest and put on a tournament in Nepal, I would book my flights.
UrackmIcrackm said:
Mr Griffen, no doubt is a man of his word! If he says the cash is there, it's there.
HOWEVER he will be looking to hop on the road to profitability asap IMHO. He's a businessman first and a philanthropist not so close to first.
Disclaimer-I don't know him personally.
As more details are released it will be easier to understand things such as this that yourself and most others are currently questioning.Fragged said:
To all that wonder... As Royce said, "please be patient" and wait for the rest of the information to come out.
All posters in this extremely important and somewhat delicate situation need to follow one rule: Do no harm.
We all should reserve any speculative comments until the plan is completed, made public, and put into action. Then we can see what is being proposed by Mr. Griffin... and frankly, since he's the one that is actually doing it I don't think it's any of my business how he gets is done.
We all should reserve any speculative comments until the plan is completed, made public, and put into action. Then we can see what is being proposed by Mr. Griffin... and frankly, since he's the one that is actually doing it I don't think it's any of my business how he gets is done.
UrackmIcrackm said:
There's a big difference between a job and this proposal. The boys could work their tail off and still make nothing if they don't win the tournaments. Again if a player in NYC bring in 1000 new players and the Idaho player brings in 20. Then money goes into a BIG POT for a tourney. The NYC guy is guaranteed NADA!! My suggestion is to make a commision situation. Otherwise you'll have the good guys working alot and the lazy ones, NOT. Hell maybe they'll be spending their time practicing instead of recruiting and win the tourneys and really swindle on the deal!!! (joke, hahaha, funny, AZ needs to laugh alittle!!)
I too work full time. It's actually an extremely demanding job, but I work my ass off and I get paid what I deserve and that deserving guaranteed paycheck and raise and bonus fuel me to work harder and better. These players have no guarantees. That's one of the big flaws I found. Just a suggestion MG fans.
As far as Mr. Griffin. Clearly his reputation proceeds himself. He must have done alot of things right to gain such respect and support from a lot of the pool community. For me, I just can't get the view of him as a tyrant out of my head. It was my first encounter with him and first impressions are hard to fade away. I hope in the future he proves to me to be an asset. Like JimS said, guess we'll just wait and see.
I just hope that before everyone dives in head first, all angles are viewed. Any good businessman (or woman) would do their due diligence.
I will wait for Mark to put his idea out in the form he sees fit before commenting on the 1000 vs 20 player issue. He did mention something that would address this in both meetings. He actually mentioned to me after the first meeting on the 12th that no one seemed to pick up on the fact that he addressed it.GG11 said:
I think the word "tyrant" is far too dramatic. Based on my business and personal dealings with Mark he is one of the most honest, stand up guys in the pool industry. He is also a business man so he will naturally look out for his own interests as well, but keep one thing in mind, if all he cared about was his own interests and not the game itself he would have nothing to do with this venture in the first place. Trying to create a sustainable and growing enviroment for professional pool has not been a historically lucrative proposition. I believe he has the experience, passion, knowledge, infrastructure and capital to make something out of nothing and in the process change the future of pro pool in America. We will see. I think all that can be asked now is to give the man time to organize his ideas and present them in the manner he sees fit.