Have to get this off my chest - sorry for the rant

BillPorter

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Last night I got into a big argument with a young guy at the pool hall. I got so loud that the players on the next table suspended their race to 4 for $200 game until I quieted down. It's not like me to get this upset about anything at a pool hall, but I did and I'm still fuming a bit the next morning. So maybe detailing the problem will help me get over it.

I proposed a race to 3 for $20 to a young guy at the pool hall last night. We have played several times, always for very small stakes, and have usually played a friendly game with one another. I think he won $20 the last time we played. He called the flip correctly and broke the balls from the right side of the table. After trading safeties for a while, he picked up a couple of balls. Later, after he made a third ball, I commented that he had three to none for me. Quite a while later, the score was 6 for him and two for me. I started really focusing on my safeties and played as carefully as I could, eventually making a bank to bring the score to 6 to 3. So I grind and grind and grind and eventually even the score at 6 to 6. Another long period of safeties and I get another ball and now need just one. A couple of times my opponent just missed a bank that would have allowed him to run the two remaining balls, but miss he did. Finally, about an hour into the game, he leaves me a long almost straight shot for the win. As I get down on the shot, I see him move to stand directly in the line of the shot. I get up off the shot and ask him to move, which he does. I roll the ball in and get ready to break for the second game. But he says it is HIS break and the score is one to one in games!!!! What????!!!! He says this is the second game and that he won the first game. The more we talk about this the madder I became - I had worked my butt off to win this first game and now he says it's one to one and his break!!! He does remember winning the coin flip and breaking the balls, but says the ball I just made was the winning ball of our SECOND game! I point out that I NEVER break from the left side of the table giving me the right hand pocket so it is absolutely clear that I didn't break that game. Also, we ALWAYS mark games with a coin and there is no coin on the table. He claims that at one point I said, "You've got one and I've got none." This was probably his misremembering my comment that he had three balls and I had none earlier in the game. I could go on and on, but I think I've given enough of a description.

After coming home and thinking about it, I decided that he probably believed he was right as it would be just too bizarre to think that he was doing this in an attempt to cheat me out of a game. Maybe drugs or alcohol were clouding his memory and judgment? Maybe fatigue? So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he says when I see him next. Surely, once his head cleared, he realized that he was wrong and maybe he will admit that when I see him next.
 
race to 4 for 200? that's gambling!

how slow am i? i read half of this before i realized you were playing 1 pocket.

calm down, 20 a game it's nothing to burst a blood vessel over. it could have been an honest mistake. i have had people pull that kind of stuff on me though (for less than 20 too).
 
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BillPorter said:
Last night I got into a big argument with a young guy at the pool hall. I got so loud that the players on the next table suspended their race to 4 for $200 game until I quieted down. It's not like me to get this upset about anything at a pool hall, but I did and I'm still fuming a bit the next morning. So maybe detailing the problem will help me get over it.

I proposed a race to 3 for $20 to a young guy at the pool hall last night. We have played several times, always for very small stakes, and have usually played a friendly game with one another. I think he won $20 the last time we played. He called the flip correctly and broke the balls from the right side of the table. After trading safeties for a while, he picked up a couple of balls. Later, after he made a third ball, I commented that he had three to none for me. Quite a while later, the score was 6 for him and two for me. I started really focusing on my safeties and played as carefully as I could, eventually making a bank to bring the score to 6 to 3. So I grind and grind and grind and eventually even the score at 6 to 6. Another long period of safeties and I get another ball and now need just one. A couple of times my opponent just missed a bank that would have allowed him to run the two remaining balls, but miss he did. Finally, about an hour into the game, he leaves me a long almost straight shot for the win. As I get down on the shot, I see him move to stand directly in the line of the shot. I get up off the shot and ask him to move, which he does. I roll the ball in and get ready to break for the second game. But he says it is HIS break and the score is one to one in games!!!! What????!!!! He says this is the second game and that he won the first game. The more we talk about this the madder I became - I had worked my butt off to win this first game and now he says it's one to one and his break!!! He does remember winning the coin flip and breaking the balls, but says the ball I just made was the winning ball of our SECOND game! I point out that I NEVER break from the left side of the table giving me the right hand pocket so it is absolutely clear that I didn't break that game. Also, we ALWAYS mark games with a coin and there is no coin on the table. He claims that at one point I said, "You've got one and I've got none." This was probably his misremembering my comment that he had three balls and I had none earlier in the game. I could go on and on, but I think I've given enough of a description.

After coming home and thinking about it, I decided that he probably believed he was right as it would be just too bizarre to think that he was doing this in an attempt to cheat me out of a game. Maybe drugs or alcohol were clouding his memory and judgment? Maybe fatigue? So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he says when I see him next. Surely, once his head cleared, he realized that he was wrong and maybe he will admit that when I see him next.
at michaels?
that's ONE of several reasons i dont gamble at all
i almost got into a fist fight with some drunkass idiot at joey's bar a few years ago
and we werent gambling anything
he said i was hustling him
how do you hustle for ZERO?
 
Wow, he forgot you had only played one game???? I've never, ever had that one......not even just playing for fun :D

Sounds like you have a good solution - if he apologizes next time, then move on.....but I would get the coin on the table the minute you start....I also like the fact that you break from the opposite side, that sells your point....
 
BHQ said:
at michaels?
that's ONE of several reasons i dont gamble at all
i almost got into a fist fight with some drunkass idiot at joey's bar a few years ago
and we werent gambling anything
he said i was hustling him
how do you hustle for ZERO?
Hey, Brent, how goes it? No, not at Michael's. It was at Kickshot Billiards in Northern Kentucky.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
race to 4 for 200? that's gambling!

how slow am i? i read half of this before i realized you were playing 1 pocket.

calm down, 20 a game it's nothing to burst a blood vessel over. it could have been an honest mistake. i have had people pull that kind of stuff on me though (for less than 20 too).
Actually, it was only $20 on a race to three. You are certainly correct that $20 is not worth bursting a blood vessel over. It really wasn't the money - I think it was that I had played so hard for so long to overcome a big deficit in the game and finally win it.
 
BillPorter said:
Last night I got into a big argument with a young guy at the pool hall. I got so loud that the players on the next table suspended their race to 4 for $200 game until I quieted down. It's not like me to get this upset about anything at a pool hall, but I did and I'm still fuming a bit the next morning. So maybe detailing the problem will help me get over it.

I proposed a race to 3 for $20 to a young guy at the pool hall last night. We have played several times, always for very small stakes, and have usually played a friendly game with one another. I think he won $20 the last time we played. He called the flip correctly and broke the balls from the right side of the table. After trading safeties for a while, he picked up a couple of balls. Later, after he made a third ball, I commented that he had three to none for me. Quite a while later, the score was 6 for him and two for me. I started really focusing on my safeties and played as carefully as I could, eventually making a bank to bring the score to 6 to 3. So I grind and grind and grind and eventually even the score at 6 to 6. Another long period of safeties and I get another ball and now need just one. A couple of times my opponent just missed a bank that would have allowed him to run the two remaining balls, but miss he did. Finally, about an hour into the game, he leaves me a long almost straight shot for the win. As I get down on the shot, I see him move to stand directly in the line of the shot. I get up off the shot and ask him to move, which he does. I roll the ball in and get ready to break for the second game. But he says it is HIS break and the score is one to one in games!!!! What????!!!! He says this is the second game and that he won the first game. The more we talk about this the madder I became - I had worked my butt off to win this first game and now he says it's one to one and his break!!! He does remember winning the coin flip and breaking the balls, but says the ball I just made was the winning ball of our SECOND game! I point out that I NEVER break from the left side of the table giving me the right hand pocket so it is absolutely clear that I didn't break that game. Also, we ALWAYS mark games with a coin and there is no coin on the table. He claims that at one point I said, "You've got one and I've got none." This was probably his misremembering my comment that he had three balls and I had none earlier in the game. I could go on and on, but I think I've given enough of a description.

After coming home and thinking about it, I decided that he probably believed he was right as it would be just too bizarre to think that he was doing this in an attempt to cheat me out of a game. Maybe drugs or alcohol were clouding his memory and judgment? Maybe fatigue? So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he says when I see him next. Surely, once his head cleared, he realized that he was wrong and maybe he will admit that when I see him next.

I also was surprised when I finally figured out it was One Pocket. Race to 3 for $20? I would've simply packed it up and said goodnight.

If a guy can't keep up with the game score, there will surely be other arguments. Probably his last $20.

Ray
(Likes to play for more than to cover table time) ;)

ps. Bill, are there any pics? I love your pics!
 
may never remember

Bill,

It is possible he will not remember. If you and he have played together with no problems in the past as you indicate, I would let it slide. However, as others have said I'd put the coin on the table before play started and keep a close count in the future.

An honest mistake isn't worth losing a playing partner over.

Hu
 
Ranting is fine, it does help get thoughts off your mind .....

Wow, it sure is hard reading posts when the posters don't make paragraphs.
 
Bill,

You're a pretty level headed guy from all of your posts. I'm surprised you'd get sent on tilt over $20. I know you did so because you KNEW you were right. Sometimes when you're right, you're still wrong. I've learned this from many failed relationships LMFAO!

Next time, let the a-hole win the stupid argument and just quit. You win because you're not blowing a fuse. I gamble for fun unless I have strong contempt for my opponent - which it sounded like you didn't going in. Therefore, pretend he's a chick and roll-over and play dead.

Dave
 
BillPorter said:
Hey, Brent, how goes it? No, not at Michael's. It was at Kickshot Billiards in Northern Kentucky.
i havent been there yet
it's on my "TO DO LIST" :grin:
 
BHQ said:
at michaels?
that's ONE of several reasons i dont gamble at all
i almost got into a fist fight with some drunkass idiot at joey's bar a few years ago
and we werent gambling anything
he said i was hustling him
how do you hustle for ZERO?


Well I can tell you this.....Obviously you havnt been playing GOOD pool players.....Cause until you have been hustled for 0....you havnt been hustled yet! :D
 
You know the funny thing is I can't count how many issues like this come up when you're playing that cheap..... Usually when I play other guys for $20-$50+/game we never have a problem...

Wonder why that is? ;)

As another mentioned, he was probably on his last $20!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Bill,

You're a pretty level headed guy from all of your posts. I'm surprised you'd get sent on tilt over $20. I know you did so because you KNEW you were right. Sometimes when you're right, you're still wrong. I've learned this from many failed relationships LMFAO!

Next time, let the a-hole win the stupid argument and just quit. You win because you're not blowing a fuse. I gamble for fun unless I have strong contempt for my opponent - which it sounded like you didn't going in. Therefore, pretend he's a chick and roll-over and play dead.

Dave
Yeah, I agree completely with your comment about "sometimes when you're right, you're still wrong!" I too have had to learn that hard lesson.

Again, it really wasn't the money - I ain't that hard up!

Given the person I was writing about, maybe it won't be too hard to pretend he's a chick.
 
Just smack him with a pool ball. That will make his memory correct. Or lose three sets and ask him to pay up the next time you play. If he starts asking wtf, smack and jog him again. Repeat until you feel satisfied.
 
ShootingArts said:
Bill,

It is possible he will not remember. If you and he have played together with no problems in the past as you indicate, I would let it slide. However, as others have said I'd put the coin on the table before play started and keep a close count in the future.

An honest mistake isn't worth losing a playing partner over.

Hu
You are right on all counts. Thanks for the comments!:smile:
 
3andstop said:
Wow, it sure is hard reading posts when the posters don't make paragraphs.

Hey, I made three paragraphs! I guess we'll have to start using a coin to keep track!:smile:
 
1pRoscoe said:
You know the funny thing is I can't count how many issues like this come up when you're playing that cheap..... Usually when I play other guys for $20-$50+/game we never have a problem...

Wonder why that is? ;)

As another mentioned, he was probably on his last $20!
When I taught at a small college in Kentucky and took part in budget meetings, we used to say, "You know why the arguments over this budget are so heated? It's because the stakes are so small!"
 
The guy had to be on drugs. You said you played him befor and all went well. He probably did think it was the 2nd game...drugs will do that to some people. Johnnyt
 
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