Hypothetical Survey

[12310bch]

If it were me, and this is just me ... But I'd use fewer "hypotheticals," adverbs, and "assumptions" and just come out and say what I am trying to say.

Hypothetically speaking and assuming that this is not out and out fraud
there is another side to this story a judge would here before jumping on the bandwagon. The OP blackened the rep of all streamers (except for Fast Lenny, of course) until the alleged perp is outed.

How's that Marksman?

 

[sde]

Hypothetically speaking and assuming that this is not out and out fraud
there is another side to this story a judge would here before jumping on the bandwagon. The OP blackened the rep of all streamers (except for Fast Lenny, of course) until the alleged perp is outed.

How's that Marksman?

The streamer in question is not me and based on the post by Matt90 I do not believe it is him. I'll also state as a fact that it is not Accu-Stats.

You can also shorten the list by eliminating those streamers who are not using $10,000 worth of equipment to broadcast their streams. That alone eliminates almost all of the streamers in this country.

Steve

 

[Ghosst]

If the person made an honest mistake, take up your debate with them in private. If you back them into that corner of being publicly blacklisted they will come out clawing. Try it with a cat for practice and make sure you call an ambulance just before you do.

Deal with the matter in private until guilt or innocence is proven. This is why lynch mobs aren't legal. We have one side of a story so far.

 

[oldzilla]

Nothing new, human nature. Someone bites, someone bitten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_egdxKTMk

EXSPOSE !

Oldschool would have them in the stocks in public. Those thingys that you put you head and hands in are called stocks I beleive. That is what I mean though if I am incorrect.

 

[12310bch]

The streamer in question is not me and based on the post by Matt90 I do not believe it is him. I'll also state as a fact that it is not Accu-Stats.

You can also shorten the list by eliminating those streamers who are not using $10,000 worth of equipment to broadcast their streams. That alone eliminates almost all of the streamers in this country.

Steve

j' accuse no one. The problem is that one way or another he has to reveal his adversary's name to close the matter. Which, incidentally, may NOT close the matter.

 

[Gammaray]

Thank you all for your comments and opinions! I just wanted to reiterate that this thread was intended for the sole purpose of being a "Hypothetical Survey" just to see what other AZ'ers would say! It was not intended to point anyone out in particular! :groucho:

 

[Fenwick]

I think the best advice has already been given. Resolve things legally! That's what courts are for. BTW it seems you have already decided to go this rout.
Exposing someone here could be labeled as slander before this is settled in court.

Just my take.

 

[ridinda9]

Sue first .
Do not threaten them with physical harm as suggested in other posts . This is actionable and could lead to your arrest or a lawsuit directed against you.
Do not commit physical battery on them. This is actionable and could lead to your arrest also.
Do not attempt to seize the equipment in question unless you have paid invoices describing the equipment in detail made out in your name . This could lead to your arrest for theft .
Do not attempt to out them on a public forum (i.e. AzB) until after you have received a judgement , and maybe not even then . This is considered the printed word , and could expose you for libel damages .
Hope for the best in court , but without documentation , you probably will not prevail.
Didn't any of you guys learn anything watching Wapner ?

 

[Majic]

Let's say you worked for years trying to find a way to put a positive image on pool and saw live streaming as an avenue to do just that. You run across someone with streaming experience that you adamantly thought felt the same way as you and had been wanting to pursue things as a full time job while simultaneously promoting the sport he/she loved but just didn't have the funds to do so. You see it as a win-win situation and loan that person the money (let's say around 8K or so). To further help things you purchase items from him/her at full price refusing the offered discounts as a way of support (let's say another 2K or so), work hundreds of hours helping behind the scenes, and then have that person soon thereafter claim the loan portion was a donation/contribution and not in fact a loan. Let's assume that do to time constraints (brought about by an upcoming very important tournament or ?) you were unable to get the loan in writing, you thought you could emphatically trust that person, and the loan was witnessed by three other people beside yourself -- what would you do?

JUDGE JUDY...............laws are there to protect people like yourself. Go after him !!!

 

[Cue-Z]

I Agree

It's a no brainer, take them to a claims court and let a judge make a ruling, that will cost you about a $100.00 to get the ball rolling, just have all your facts together, I see no reason why you wouldn't get at least half your cash back, and maybe all , & maybe more!


David Harcrow

I agree with David. Take this person to small claims court. Make sure your witnesses are willing to go to court with you.

Even though violence is tempting, You might end up in a worst situation...Arrest, Jail or worse.

If you win your case you should get back court costs, lost wages and etc.
Next time get everything in writing.

Good Luck
Nancy

 

[jay helfert]

Get it in writing! It only takes minutes to write out some kind of promissary note. It could even be a handwritten document, as long as both of you sign it. Then you have something to go to court with. Oral agreements can be very tough to prove. I learned a long time ago to put everything in writing. It protects both parties. It's easy to forget what you agreed to do months (or years) later. That said, even a written agreement is only as good as the people who sign it.

 

[Jerry Forsyth]

I understand you wishing to get your money back, but the community needs to know who this is so that they know whom to support with their ad dollars and whom not to support. This casts a pall on all of us until we know the identity of the culprit. But you need PROOF before you can do this sort of damage to someone. Do you have a canceled check?

 

[Fird]

I understand you wishing to get your money back, but the community needs to know who this is so that they know whom to support with their ad dollars and whom not to support. This casts a pall on all of us until we know the identity of the culprit. But you need PROOF before you can do this sort of damage to someone. Do you have a canceled check?

agreed expose now

 

[dorabelle]

race to 100 ten ball. Winner takes all. Stream it and get it in writing and let us all watch.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I'm sure the person who "hypothetically" loaned the money meant well. But if he had 8k to loan in cash, AND it seems he has been part of the pool world for a while, then its his own fault.

This is no different than playing a set for 8K and not posting the money, then crying you got stiffed.

Sorry to be harsh, but this is the way I see it: You won't get any money back. Exposing the person you loaned it to won't do anything. For example, how many times are stiffers exposed, yet they still get action? People are still going to watch his streams. We don't care who is streaming, only what the match is. If you take the guy to court, even if you win, with what money is he going to pay you back?

My 2 cents is just to learn from this and not give anyone money again.

 

[akaTrigger]

I'm sure the person who "hypothetically" loaned the money meant well. But if he had 8k to loan in cash, AND it seems he has been part of the pool world for a while, then its his own fault.

This is no different than playing a set for 8K and not posting the money, then crying you got stiffed.

Sorry to be harsh, but this is the way I see it: You won't get any money back. Exposing the person you loaned it to won't do anything. For example, how many times are stiffers exposed, yet they still get action? People are still going to watch his streams. We don't care who is streaming, only what the match is. If you take the guy to court, even if you win, with what money is he going to pay you back?

My 2 cents is just to learn from this and not give anyone money again.

Interesting points.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Interesting points.

True, but this isn't straight up gambling.
For all anyone knows, Ad money might go out the window.

If someone has a business that they are paying to have put out there via some streams, do you think that the business would enjoy the stigma that might come from their association with an alleged thief?

Tiger lost some sponsors because he wasn't squeaky clean, i'm sure some businesses wouldn't want their "brand" to be associated with any criminal element.
They can always support someone else, right?

Although i will agree that pool players around the world, don't really care who brings it to them, as long as they get to watch it, so if any action is going to be taken, it would have to be on the sponsor/venue side of things, to actually be effective.

If done in that fashion, it might put them out of business if no one wants to support them anymore.

 

[smoooothstroke]

First discuss it with that person to make sure there is no misunderstanding.If you both agree that he she is ripping you off then do whatever you have to to get even.

 

[dr9ball]

Possession is 9/10s of the law or something like that. I would go and pick up my investment to the extent I am owed money and then we could discuss the matter. I might leave a note stating that I (or my agents) had retrieved what is mine and then let the lawyers sort it out with written depositions or whatever.

Didn't O.J. try to go take back his "property" I believe he's still in jail for doing that.

 

[derekdisco]

Keep on first page.