If not for the antics by Earl.... Would Shane have won?

[cleary]

I honestly think Earl's cue won it for him. Obviously he was the one using it, but I think if they were both playing with the same 59"/19oz cue... the score would have been much different.

I think the heavier cue made moving around the table easier and needed less effort. Shane was pounding balls to get the right action and thats not gonna work on that table. I could be wrong, but thats my take.

 

[12squared]

12squared - I don't believe that anyone MADE Shane sit in that bar stool... so the "classless" comment has no merit or basis. Not even sure who you are referring to... Earl?... Mike Gullyassy?... the room owner?

I recall hearing or seeing a post that Earl brought in his own chair for the match. Something that Shane could have done.

Shane's chair was likely one of the standard chairs/stools at the pool room in which they played.

I meant whomever staged the seating, I do not who. If it was done intentionally then it is classless, that is what I meant. If it is as you say and both players knew of the seating & Earl chose to bring in his own chair and Shane opted out, then you are right. But I doubt that Shane was given that option - it's a long haul to bring a comfortable chair from South Dakota to Youngstown, OH.

But seriously, who would even think to bring their own chair traveling to a venue to play a PPV 3 day event? At least that should have been an even playing field for their comfort. It just smelled funny to me.

Thanks for bringing a different view point to it though.

And just to add, I am not an Earl hater, he is a great player. But I was rooting for SVB so it was tough to watch at times.

Dave

 

[obsespool]

Simple question.

No doubt Earl played good and beat Shane. The question is though....
If Earl hadn't played up the antics the way he did.... would Shane have beaten him?

Earl still had the advantage on that table... no doubt.

But without the antics could SVB have beaten Earl?

No........

 

[Roadking]

I'm the one who said Earl might have brought his own chair, I don't know if he did for sure but he also had a table/cue holder in his corner.
Maybe Ice breakers did give him the chair.(the people there did back him)

and I think the cue did help him win mostly due to the length.

 

[eyes4u]

chair

Let me clairify the chair issue.Shane had a standard bar stool.Earl had what looked like a home made pool stool.The people running the show went all out providing anything Shane needed.If he wanted a Lazyboy he would have had one.I for one would have liked to see mandatory breaks.Shane and Earl weren't sitting they were playing, and with very, very few short breaks.Earl won but Shane won over a lot of fans in Youngstown.He signed all autographs,took pictures,never complained and always had a smile.I hope to see a rematch.I also watched some action on the computer.Commentary from Justin and John Schmitt was excellent.Is there someway we can watch live and listen to the commentary?

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

I honestly think Earl's cue won it for him. Obviously he was the one using it, but I think if they were both playing with the same 59"/19oz cue... the score would have been much different.

I think the heavier cue made moving around the table easier and needed less effort. Shane was pounding balls to get the right action and thats not gonna work on that table. I could be wrong, but thats my take.

Earl's javelin sized cue didn't seem to hurt him on that table, that's for sure.

An interesting tidbit came up in Shane's pre-match interview on night 3.

When it was pointed out that he doesn't use an extension, Shane responded that he doesn't have one, that his was stolen from his bag some time ago.

My first thought was; You're SVB, you should have every and any weapon you want.

Best,
Brian kc

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Earl has always been one of my favorite players. I can forgive him some of his antics only because I admire his game so much.

Shane played Earl on his conditions. His table, Earls cue, etc.
There was times that Shane missed shots that he'd normally make and I could see it in his eyes toward the end, maybe he just kind of gave up.
He also had to put up with Earls comments and actions and going on for 3 days, there is no doubt that would wear pretty thin, with anybody.
I looked at his eyes toward the end, I did feel sorry for him. It looked like he just didn't want to be there anymore, and I can't blame him for that.

I've always admired Shane, he is a new up and comer and has proven himself time and time again. Also, he impresses me as a gentleman and a true sportsman to the game. This loss won't fade him in the least, he knows who he is. Its hard to root for your favorite player and at the same time, wish that Shane could have had a few great runs toward the end.

I'm deafer than a door nail myself and don't wear hearing aids but have been the brunt of jokes myself at times. I know how that feels.
I don't think Earl made his comments to intentionally hurt Shane's feelings. They were made in the context of the fans trying to shark Earl. Probably just came out of his mouth before he thought. I think we've all done that at one time or another.

 

[Roadking]

I'm sure Shane couldve got anything he wanted.
I was glad they didn't take breaks.
And Earl took pictures & signed autographs!(though if he would have lost???)

 

[elvicash]

Who knows Earl did Earls thing and it played out to here, I know Earl is unkind and acts wrong, I do not think it I know it now. Earl can play real good but he is sub human when it come to character.

My friend played him in 2000 or 2001 at the US Open and my friend slopped in the money ball, his 5 yr old daughter cheered for her Dad, Earl blew up and went off on the distraction blowing up on alittle girl. He is a relentless idiot and does not represent the sport well at all.......

elvi is not excited about Earl or his win.......

 

[CreeDo]

Shane might have played better if earl had shut up, but the funny thing is... earl plays better when he shuts up too.

I think shane lost because his playing style doesn't suit gaffy pockets. He mentioned the slate too... he had his pick of 30 different excuses but he mentioned the slate. I bet it played a big role, but most of us aren't really focusing on it because it's such a rarely mentioned thing. But for shane to bring it up, it must have really been offputting.

 

[mikeyfrost]

Direct from SVB...."I can't beat him"

 

[ceebee]

Good question... who knows..

However, if you have to "SHARK A MAN", so you can beat him, you probably can't beat him day in & day out.

Earl Strickland won the match. Big Deal, I'd like to see a rematch.

Earl doesn't respect many people, if anybody, so I have NO respect for him.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

...My first thought was; You're SVB, you should have every and any weapon you want. ...

Best,
Brian kc

That's odd but I guess that's the way pool players are. I think it was in the Sammy Diep "What's in the case" interview with Efren. She asks him "How come you only have one shaft? What if the tip falls off in the middle of a tournament match?" Efren just did that patented shoulder shrug and smile that he does. Efren also doesn't have a jump cue.

 

[book collector]

David, that is because unlike Earl, Shane has CLASS! He will not complain publicly, even though he feels totally disrespected by Earl, someone he thought was a friendly rival. Yes, Earl's behavior got to Shane. He is human after all, not a robot. All of you, ask yourself, would you play pool with someone who acted this way?

Absolutely not! .....uh unless someone thought they were stealing his money.
Everybody knows Earls M.O. the problem is they expected him to lose because of it and the dadburn goofball won.
I don't agree at all with what he does other than complain that the fans should not be allowed to try to rattle his cage.
Somebody have an investigation, he did everything we thought he would do but he still won.

 

[slyfox]

I honestly think Earl's cue won it for him. Obviously he was the one using it, but I think if they were both playing with the same 59"/19oz cue... the score would have been much different.

I think the heavier cue made moving around the table easier and needed less effort. Shane was pounding balls to get the right action and thats not gonna work on that table. I could be wrong, but thats my take.

I think you hit the nail on the head.
Regardless, Earl Won. SVB was the classiest loser I think anyone could have been in that situation. The thing was entertaining to say the least.

Still waiting for someone to make an "Earl Hates Babies" t-shirt.

With that said... both are world class players. Good win Earl. Great Sportsmanship SVB.

 

[one stroke]

I wonder how many tuned in after they heard what was going on , say what they will but it was entertaining and the archer match up will benifit from this ,, or how about ring game winner take all ,siegle ,mccreedy and strickland and then u have must see tv



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[Scott Lee]

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Earl has always been one of my favorite players. I can forgive him some of his antics only because I admire his game so much.

Shane played Earl on his conditions. His table, Earls cue, etc.
There was times that Shane missed shots that he'd normally make and I could see it in his eyes toward the end, maybe he just kind of gave up.
He also had to put up with Earls comments and actions and going on for 3 days, there is no doubt that would wear pretty thin, with anybody.
I looked at his eyes toward the end, I did feel sorry for him. It looked like he just didn't want to be there anymore, and I can't blame him for that.

I've always admired Shane, he is a new up and comer and has proven himself time and time again. Also, he impresses me as a gentleman and a true sportsman to the game. This loss won't fade him in the least, he knows who he is. Its hard to root for your favorite player and at the same time, wish that Shane could have had a few great runs toward the end.

I'm deafer than a door nail myself and don't wear hearing aids but have been the brunt of jokes myself at times. I know how that feels.
I don't think Earl made his comments to intentionally hurt Shane's feelings. They were made in the context of the fans trying to shark Earl. Probably just came out of his mouth before he thought. I think we've all done that at one time or another.

 

[Jimmy M.]

Simple question.

No doubt Earl played good and beat Shane. The question is though....
If Earl hadn't played up the antics the way he did.... would Shane have beaten him?

Earl still had the advantage on that table... no doubt.

But without the antics could SVB have beaten Earl?

If not for Earl's antics, I think the score might have been worse. Earl hurts himself as much as his opponents when he loses it like that.

 

[gunzby]

Direct from SVB...."I can't beat him"

That's what I was going to refer to. Earl outplayed him plain and simple. To make excuses for how Earl won is disrespectful to Earl's game and Shane's game. Earl could use the same antics on a 9 footer and lose by a wide margin to Shane. What would be the excuse then?