IPT Jeopardizes 2006 US Open 9-Ball

jay helfert said:
A couple of points I'd like to make, but first I want to know, who is Colin Colenso? I've been around pro pool for quite a while and I've never heard of this guy, other than he got kissed into a spot on the IPT. And he sure has a lot to say all of a sudden. Who are you Colin that you have become such an expert on professional pool and what's good for the sport? Can you play? Do you belong? I guess that remains to be seen.
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Jay,
You could have checked the links provided in my posts or contacted me personally if you were really curious, but it seems you'd rather attack my credibility with a vague assertion.

What is it, in particular that I have written that you have a problem with?

I've been on this board for several years and active in the pool world for a long time, although not in your backyard.

Colin
 
watchez said:
Boy Jay, I hope that Colin doesn't call you stupid also. Jay, you state you have been around pool for a long time & Colin stated that he has been involved in the sport for 20+ years & you two have never run into each other? I did a quick search on Colin after he opened his mouth & could not find anything on him either. I will be sure to make note of his success in the IPT events.
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Where did you search? Under your pillow?
The fact that I'm an Australian who has been working / promoting pool events in China for the past 5 years might explain why I wouldn't know Jay if he stood up in my porridge. Though I've paid enough attention here to know he's been around. At least in US circles.

And who are you Watchez? Or do you prefer your anonymity?
 
watchez said:
Boy Jay, I hope that Colin doesn't call you stupid also. Jay, you state you have been around pool for a long time & Colin stated that he has been involved in the sport for 20+ years & you two have never run into each other? I did a quick search on Colin after he opened his mouth & could not find anything on him either. I will be sure to make note of his success in the IPT events.
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I did not call him stupid. I want to know what his credentials are? For all I know he may be the wisest, most enlightened man ever to pick up a cue.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Jay,
You could have checked the links provided in my posts or contacted me personally if you were really curious, but it seems you'd rather attack my credibility with a vague assertion.

What is it, in particular that I have written that you have a problem with?

I've been on this board for several years and active in the pool world for a long time, although not in your backyard.

Colin
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You're right Colin, I should have contacted you PM. So for that I apologize. I just wanted to know more about you and how you came to be so knowlegeable about the IPT and the pool world in general. Why is it that I've never heard of you before as a pool player? Where do you play and what major events have you played in? How have you done?
Whether you realize it or not, you have become the defacto spokesman for the IPT on this site. So, who are you Colin and what are your credentials?
You may PM me with your response. I'll look forward to meeting you.
 
JAM said:
Well, let me throw it out there for discussion!:p

I'm going to preface my remarks by saying that I am anxious to hear what the IPT member have to say.:confused:

As a player, which I am not, if I had the opportunity to play for $40,000 first-place prize monies and $350,000 first-place prize monies, it's not that hard of a decision, IMHO.:D

This latest bit of smut is fresh. I believe that the IPT will try to work things out with Barry Behrman. The IPT to date has been responsive to any and all concerns.

The press release, obviously not written by Barry, seems like a group effort. Man, it's never a dull moment in the pool world as of late!:o

JAM
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The press release was issued with the US Open letterhead; therefore, officially it is a Barry Berhman statement. I have received copy of the statement and could forward at your request.
 
IPT is paying out $3,000,000 with first prize $500,000.
The U.S. Open adds $50,000 with first prize $ 30,000.
Just from a money point of view these are not two tournaments of equal magnitude. With this financial scenario I think the IPT makes the rules and should not have to worry too much about accommodating others. It would be like the Behrman's trying to work out their schedule to accommodate a Pechauer tournaments $3,000 added with first prize $1,800. Or the Pechauer tournament worrying about a conflict with a local tournament that adds $150 and has a first place prize of $100.
These are all financial scenes of equal magnitude.
If the IPT decides to add major 9 ball tournaments then the current US Open format will be history.
I can't imagine that anyone involved with the IPT is too worried about the US Open having to change its date, that probably includes all the players as well as the management. The only one it sucks for is the Behrman's because they will have to do some extra work to keep their event alive and well which I hope they are willing and able to do.

Wayne
 
Colin Colenso said:
Where did you search? Under your pillow?
The fact that I'm an Australian who has been working / promoting pool events in China for the past 5 years might explain why I wouldn't know Jay if he stood up in my porridge. Though I've paid enough attention here to know he's been around. At least in US circles.

And who are you Watchez? Or do you prefer your anonymity?
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Amazingly, I am a pool promoter also. Come to St. Louis & my 17 yr old little friend will give you and your IPT Pro Player glory the 8 and 10% of your money back.
 
watchez said:
Amazingly, I am a pool promoter also. Come to St. Louis & my 17 yr old little friend will give you and your IPT Pro Player glory the 8 and 10% of your money back.
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Why don't you play him instead of Justin? :confused: :p
 
Something doesn't add up here.

Limitless praise has been heaped on the IPT by the members of this forum for almost singlehandedly financing professional pool's future. If the IPT does spend the tens of millions that we expect it to on professional pool, and assuming that the IPT is here for the long haul, all other tournaments are going to be second tier events.

Now this may not sit well with notalgic sorts, and I certainly qualify as one of those. Nonetheless, if this is the price we have to pay to make pool a vibrant sport, and professional pool a lucrative career, I say it's a price worth paying.

If the IPT finances nearly all of pro pool's economy, what is wrong with them having the kind of power that goes hand in hand with such a substantial investment in pro pool?

Many argue that the IPT is not focusing on the best interests of the sport. Still, whatever their motives, if the IPT is a profitable venture and succeeds in raising our sport's profile, it will be good for regional professional pool, poolroom proprietors, cuemakers, equipment manufacturers and distributors, pool instructors, and amateur pool.

The only concern that lies in the back of mind here is that if the IPT venutre fails, some of the more prestigious events of yesteryear may lose some of their luster. Still, I'm guessing that won't be the case.

Those who want the IPT to almost singlehandedly finance the future of pro pool without being the controliing force behind all professional pool events are asked to reconsider.
 
Your word, Amazing

watchez said:
Amazingly, I am a pool promoter also. Come to St. Louis & my 17 yr old little friend will give you and your IPT Pro Player glory the 8 and 10% of your money back.
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Not only do you remain anonymous to Colin but you hide behind at 17 year old. Real brave.
 
short and sweet

this just seems like a non-issue to me. the ipt is paying out $300,000 or $500,000 for 1st. why are people worried about the us open anymore, it is what pool used to be, and pool used to suck (money-wise). just can't figure out why people are concerned.
 
I just scrolled through over 6 pages and not once have I seen a reply from an IPT representative.

I'm curious to hear their stance on this issue with the U.S. Open.

Koop
 
Koop said:
I just scrolled through over 6 pages and not once have I seen a reply from an IPT representative.

I'm curious to hear their stance on this issue with the U.S. Open.

Koop
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They don't do internet forums. Didn't you know that? They think we're all a bunch of people down at the bar that have never accomplished anything, never will, and we can't rub 2 nickels together. KT's words, not mine. That's how he sees everybody in pool, including you, me, the fans, the players, The US Open. He's a modern day real life version of Bert Gordon.
 
delarge said:
this just seems like a non-issue to me. the ipt is paying out $300,000 or $500,000 for 1st. why are people worried about the us open anymore, it is what pool used to be, and pool used to suck (money-wise). just can't figure out why people are concerned.
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People are concerned because of a certain amount of nostalgia involved, im sure many people wish the Johnston City tournaments were still going. But also you don't want the US 9 ball open to go under because there will not be any top players. Also you want to make sure 9 ball is still represented with its own major tournaments.

The second thing is that, KT has committed himself for 2 years, than the company will go under review. What if it doesn't make any money? The tour will be over. Hopefully everything that we used to have, will still be around should that happen.

The US Open and the IPT should be able to co-exist. I would hate to see the former whither away. But with more tournaments planned each year, there will be even more conflicts than now. It is something we will have to live with.
 
Blackjack said:
They don't do internet forums. Didn't you know that? They think we're all a bunch of people down at the bar that have never accomplished anything, never will, and we can't rub 2 nickels together. KT's words, not mine. That's how he sees everybody in pool, including you, me, the fans, the players, The US Open. He's a modern day real life version of Bert Gordon.
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If he really said that then he lost one person who would have otherwise supported this.

Deno posts here though doesn't he? I'd be real curious to hear a statement which could explain why the need to schedule a tournament in conflict with the Open.

Koop
 
Ipt

Ok,the money's great for the players! What about the fans,without fans the ipt tour will fall flat on its face in a few years.Alot of people enjoy going to events and watching the best fight it out for the title which use to matter,but now its all about KT.Well,if you notice,most of his dates are in the vegas area so I hope there's alot of fans there.I think barry will move the dates,he has no choice.But this has all happened before and barry's always the last one standing.TRADITION will win out here imo. I have seen some of the footage and photos of the big ipt event in orlando and it looked totaly empty there. Its easy to judge barry if you dont go to the us open and listen to all the rumors but he does his best and if its as bad as some people say why do the players show up in va beach every year .From what I have heard about KT is he's made millions but has also been investigated by many for his dealing and was a feature story on 20/20 just a few weeks ago. I hope that for everyone this turns out for the best and the players have to do whats best for there pockets. Also, KT has said that tv is the key to sucess,on that note,bcn network and accustats have been a big player and IMO this is also a way to clear them out of the way so a bigger network deal can be made.
 
Henry Ford wasn't overly concerned about what effect the growth of his business would have on horse drawn carriage manufacturers. That's because he had something better to offer. In the views of many, so does the IPT. Of course, only time will tell whether they are right.
 
We all know on here that all pro pool players in general can be bought with money just like the cheap ho's on the corner. the players will always follow the God almighty dollar. and when that dollar dries up they will have no where to go. go ahead and talk about how much money KT has. But after the dozen or so state attorney generals and the u s attorney general and the fda get done with him what is he going to have left. and where will he be residing. our, NY's attorney general wants him in jail and wants to put an end to him for good. ain't no 2 million penalty going to satisfy him. hell he is going to be our next governor. and what about the people dying and gettting worse cuz of his book of lies. date line asked him to back up 1 of his claims and he said he would. that was months ago and he has yet to do it. something about a study that he claims was done in canada at a college and the college stated that they never did this study. I just don't want to see innocent people on here or who joined get hurt in any way. and it can happen. i once played in an all city tournament and won it. nice banquet and all great prizes aslo. the next year i enter, slightly higher entry, win the tournament a 2nd time and this very trusted man took off with all the cash and even left us the players holding the bag for the banquet. go figure. so i know it can be done..........Just everybody on here please be aware. i consider you all friends..................mike
 
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cueball1950 said:
We all know on here that all pro pool players in general can be bought with money just like the cheap ho's on the corner. the players will always follow the God almighty dollar. and when that dollar dries up they will have no where to go. go ahead and talk about how much money KT has. But after the dozen or so state attorney generals and the u s attorney general and the fda get done with him what is he going to have left. and where will he be residing. our, NY's attorney general wants him in jail and wants to put an end to him for good. ain't no 2 million penalty going to satisfy him. hell he is going to be ouirt next governor. and what about the people dying and gettting worse cuz of his book of lies. date line asked him to back up 1 of his claims and he said he would. that was months ago and he has yet to do it. something about a study that he claims was done in canada at a college and the college stated that they never did this study. I just don't want to see innocent people on here or who joined get hurt in any way. and it can happen. i once played in an all city tournament and won it. nice banquet and all great prizes aslo. the next year i enter, slightly higher entry, win the tournament a 2nd time and this very trusted man took off with all the cash and even left us the players holding the bag for the banquet. go figure. so i know it can be done..........Just everybody on here please be aware. i consider you all friends..................mike
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Thats exactly what i was told about KT! Barry's no saint either but he's been around for along time and every year there's something or someone trying to screw him.LOL
 
jay helfert said:
You're right Colin, I should have contacted you PM. So for that I apologize. I just wanted to know more about you and how you came to be so knowlegeable about the IPT and the pool world in general. Why is it that I've never heard of you before as a pool player? Where do you play and what major events have you played in? How have you done?
Whether you realize it or not, you have become the defacto spokesman for the IPT on this site. So, who are you Colin and what are your credentials?
You may PM me with your response. I'll look forward to meeting you.
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Cheers Jay,
I've sent you a PM.
Colin
 
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