Is Dippy Dave the New Minnesota Fats?

[greyghost]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't fats play a ball or two under champions?

Pretty much......but the Fatman was a dam good all around player, he excelled at banks and one hole especially in his younger days.

The legend and the truth got intermixed long ago, and tho you may hear that Fats was no good, thats pure BS he was no slouch when it came to using his cue.

Don't get me wrong of course he wasn't the best there is was and ever will be playing pool as he liked to tell everyone........but that statement sure does ring true if your talking about his showmanship and act.

And hey IMOP even if Fatty was the worst player ever in the game, he sure did make alot of people watch and make a huge a$$ name for himself and the game, creating a legend that NO one else can stack up too.

You can ask us on here who was the best.......and we say Mosconi, Worst, Effren etc etc............................walk up to random folks on the street and ask them who the greatest pool player ever was, and they say MINNESOTA FATS!!

True or not, thats some strong $hit to make a character bigger than all the greats combined .........

He belongs in the HOF more than many of the players in it.........he was the ultimate ambassador, and being dead for decades he's still probably the sports biggest ambassador

-Grey Ghost-

 

[The Schwartz]

Given Dippy's trend of playing high$$$ matches against the current greats and sometimes beating them with the wild spots he gets, could Dippy Dave rise to the level of Minnesota Fats as a new "showman" of the pool world?

I'm sorry, I had to.

 

[BankPoolChicka]

Are YOU kidding ME???

No hon.. IMHO!! Have u been in a room where D.D is trying to make a game and showing his arse.. Im young in this sport but i dont think that Fats had that characteristic what so ever... You wanna compare D.D. to the most charismatic figures in our sport? No CHANCE.... I think that yes he makes good games, yes he seems to play "above suspicion" but no where near Fats on any level. People are saying that "he is good for our sport because he bets high amounts of $$$ and plays the champions" Well I wouldnt want any up and coming pool player around him due to his actions and mouth. Ive been raised in these pool rooms and found that his behavior embarrassed me. I will give him credit, he makes good games and doesnt book too many losers it seems.. but to be compare to fats.... NO WAY dear sir, NO WAY!!

O well i guess its all just an opinion anyways..... LOL

 

[ceebee]

When Dippy Dave runs outa dough.. he'll be unsung IDIOT. Players will laugh about his inability to hang onto money, for years to come.

 

[hunger strike]

I was wrong

Maybe there are just players in this generation who had my same experience. As a kid, I saw Fats play Mosconi on ABC's Wide World of Sports. It was obvious that Fats was having fun and Mosconi was grumpy. Since I didn't know who either of them were, being a kid I liked fats. Then, becoming a player I was educated about why Mosconi disliked Fats and was grumpy, because he was the champion Fats claimed to be.
THEREFORE I didn't like Fats or think much of him for quite a while. Does this seem familiar to any of you? Well, years went by and I had a talk with Eddie Robin, who knew Fats well from way way back. When I made a negative comment, something like Fats being a non-player, Eddie really got upset and straightened me out but good!!! He let me know that Fats really was a great, although not top level, player and hustler in his younger years especially. So there are good reasons for those who respect Fats and those who don't. In a way, they are both right. I am sure that Fats knew he had a little contempt coming from co-opting the Minnesota Fats name even though we all know he was New York Fats. But he did well just going with it..... wouldn't we all have done the same?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I don't have anything personal against DD.
He probably shoots a decent game in most cases.
I doubt he will ever rise to the level of the players hes throwing money at.

DD with a ton of money to throw about, of course he has friends.
DD without any money, players, people will shun him like the flu.

You can't buy your game and you can't buy friends, well, true friends anyway.

 

[Banks]

I don't know a fraction of what others on here do, but I'm sure of one thing..

The Fat Man could beat people with his chatter, and they didn't even have to know his game.. he could've probably talked one of the three wise men out of their gift and a fat kid out of his cake. Dippy loves gambling with pro-speeds, getting ridiculous spots that they would have to outrun. Fats could probably talk a banger into giving him a spot and for his paycheck. That probably made him almost as hard to play for a champion, knowing that he could easily shoot great pool catching a gear, or stall and talk until he feels up to shooting (at the mental expense of his opponent).

 

[mnorwood]

I have been sick for two days.... So maybe my judgement in crafting this post is not exactly clear.

I don't know Dippy and even if I did I don't want to judge the quality of the man. For all I know he is a pretty swell bloke that I would enjoy hanging out with. But let's be honest, the only reason why anyone is entertaining his presence is his bank roll. Once his bank roll is gone for going all in on 2 - 9 off suit he will slip in to the whirlwind never to be heard from again.

He did move well against corey in the first few games but then missed a straight in shot. I enjoyed the Dennis/Bartrum match much more. His entertainment value as a player is zero and "NO" there is no comparison to the fat man.

Ask yourself one question. If dip had 0 in his pocket would you still give him the time of day? As for me I have never met the man so I can't answer that question.

 

[Pushout]

Pushout...You got just one thing wrong. Fats was no money manager (as is true with MOST big gambler/poolplayers). He never "saved for a rainy day", and while he did take care of his wife, he was never extravant, except on himself. He died penniless, living free in a hotel in TN, at the good nature of the owner.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I wasn't referring to his saving his money. Just managing his roll when gambling. And I didn't get that wrong!

 

[Bohemian]

Thank Dippy Dave

I suggest reading the onepocket.org interview(s) with Hall of Famer (and by most subject matter experts the best banker that ever lived) Eddie Taylor "The Knoxville Bear"; he goes into great length about what a great player Minnesota Fats in fact was...
Eddie's statements were based on personal experience, and actually having played Fats over a period of decades multiple times...

In Eddie Robins SMS book it credibly mentions that Fats was a great player in the 40's...

Dippy Dave is no Minnesota Fats, but he has out-gambled nearly every top-10 pro pocket billiard player on the planet over the course of the last two years...

Not bad for a guy that might be a APA SL 4 on his best day...

Its irrelevant IMHO that he is not a great player; his recent Derby City award is proof positive that Dippy Dave has given pool a shot it in the arm that it has needed for a long time; (when he is playing some pro here in vegas, text and email message go all through the community like a virus within minutes and long before a ball is hit) further, if the guy can make more money off of winning against the likes of the Alex "The Lion" than any touring pro has made in a single year for the last 5 years; who gives a crap how good he can play; its how you negotiate/match up, etc...
Notwithstanding rail-birds have made quite a few ducats off of side-bets with Dippy Dave and or his opponents as well...

I have watched Dippy play a bunch of times here in Vegas; and its awesome (and informative) to watch him drive the top touring pro's nuts because they gave him too big a spot... they have to play darn near perfect or he walks with the cheese as he does most of the time...

I don't know or care if he manages his money well or not; he certainly has the money to play multiple 6 figure matches 18-4, 18-5 and leave with more money in one night than the touring tv pros make in a year...

Until the exponentially more complicated game of Pool finally gets Golf status and the pay to go with it; we need guys like Dippy Dave keeping the interest up...

The Pro's could do it if they would start doing more trick shot shows and expeditions, maybe some play the pro games at major pool halls in every major city for a affordable rate, given the current sad state of ObamaNomics has had on the pool community. They could really drive up the interest and participation by players and sponsors alike IMHO...

Until then THANK DIPPY DAVE

Not to knock the touring pool instructors whom recently came to Vegas; but charging some 400 bucks a head, a day in this economy is nothing short of ridiculous... IMHO

I have watched Dippy play the Freezer & the Lion for nothing (0 $ cost to me) for days; and learned quite a bit...

Peace

 

[franko]

Given Dippy's trend of playing high$$$ matches against the current greats and sometimes beating them with the wild spots he gets, could Dippy Dave rise to the level of Minnesota Fats as a new "showman" of the pool world?

YES !! He is a natural, he played out of Nothfield Billiards in the late 90s and always stirred up action.

 

[SLIM]

given dippy's trend of playing high$$$ matches against the current greats and sometimes beating them with the wild spots he gets, could dippy dave rise to the level of minnesota fats as a new "showman" of the pool world?

no

slim

 

[richiebalto]

Given Dippy's trend of playing high$$$ matches against the current greats and sometimes beating them with the wild spots he gets, could Dippy Dave rise to the level of Minnesota Fats as a new "showman" of the pool world?

Never not a chance!fatty was not a loser at pool,he was a winner at pool,his win percentage in pool was very high.no disrespect but dippy is a big loser at pool at the moment,but the way dippy bets he can turn that around in one set.i can tell you this when dippy does leave pool,he will never be forgotten,he will leave his finger prints in pool when he is through.

 

[u12armresl]

How in the world is 19-4 gamble? Because it's for 100k or whatever it is?

I watched Dippy play for the past couple days and I must say he did come with some clutch shots. I watched him out move Corey on several occasions. He won the first two games outright and maybe that was part of Corey's strategy, but in the end, Dippy did win.

I know the man is no pro, but he has all the makings of a true gambler and in life, that is rare to find. For our modern day and age, to accept someone as a legend is much harder to do considering the accumulation of the 'greats' in history.

The best thing about Dippy is his gamble, and I would say that if he keeps playing these pros and win or lose, he will be playing close to even with them in no time.

With that said, I do think he has a rather immature attitude. As do many of the mods on the TAR chat last night.

 

[Scott Lee]

SK Custom Cues...Gamble or not...you're dreamin' if you think Dippy will ever even be ABLE to play even with these pro players. Will he improve just playing them? I believe so too...but to a level where he can play even with them? NEVER! jmo

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I would say that if he keeps playing these pros and win or lose, he will be playing close to even with them in no time.

 

[Scott Lee]

Rufus...OMG! I love ya man, but this is heresy. Comparing Dippy Dave to Fatty is, well, as Fatty said...like putting whipped cream on a hotdog! Dippy is NOT an entertainer...Fatty was one of the best. Dippy can't play...which is why he gets these outrageous spots. Fatty defintely could play, just not at the elite level of the other pros of the era. Earlier in his life (1930's & 1940's) he played pretty sporty for the time, but nowhere near Greenleaf, Mosconi, Caras or a few others.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Given Dippy's trend of playing high$$$ matches against the current greats and sometimes beating them with the wild spots he gets, could Dippy Dave rise to the level of Minnesota Fats as a new "showman" of the pool world?

 

[Mt. Cheverest]

Nothing to really think about here.

No.