Is Scott Frost over-rated?
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He is the best 1 hole player if u don't believe me ask him, he will tell you. just alittle arrogant for me imo
Here i am- And i will NOT play anyone in the top 30 that game. I have NO chance. Dippy Dave robs me even so 18-2 would be the riskiest game i might try a top guy. Im quitin if i lose the first set too!!
I don't play very much and it would take me one week of practice to get back in stroke. I'm not too worried about the moves, you don't forget how to play, you just forget how to execute. :wink:
Jay you need 1 second to prepare by saying yes. I don't plat as good as you and I need 2 seconds to say yes and I'm 72 years old. Also if you play bring an oxygen container for me. LOL Jay I'm in with you.
Again Jay is right on.......
Scott plays good and he plays smart.
One hole is kind of like poker. Know when to holdem is the main theme though. Forget about folding.
It's hard for a player to stay on top of their game every week especially when you have no one to play. Scott has to practice allot to stay in stroke because he doesn't run around playing many of the other games.
But when he's in dead pop and going for the cash you can't go wrong with your money on the freezer.
Even if you lose you made a good bet.
Scott plays good and he plays smart.
One hole is kind of like poker. Know when to holdem is the main theme though. Forget about folding.
It's hard for a player to stay on top of their game every week especially when you have no one to play. Scott has to practice allot to stay in stroke because he doesn't run around playing many of the other games.
But when he's in dead pop and going for the cash you can't go wrong with your money on the freezer.
Even if you lose you made a good bet.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
I thought Eddie Robin, with his books, Winning One Pocket and Shots, Moves & Strategies helped more than any other single person in reviving interest in onepocket.
ONB
It may be the other way around if u know what I'm saying lol
Sure Scotts best game is 1 pocket (for my money, he is the best in the world).
Don't be fooled, the Man can play all games, if the money is right!
Don't be fooled, the Man can play all games, if the money is right!
I would say Grady has had the biggest impact at one time then Greg Sullivan with the tournaments. I am uncertain how many books Eddie has sold but I wouldn't believe it to be more than Power One Pocket but I could be wrong. I am speaking more of the growth of the game in the past 5 years. Those books are the bible for one pocket and I highly recommend them.
I highly doubt he would give that game to you, you play better then Dippy does. I would think something along the lines of 10-5 would be what he would give you where you could bet all you want.
lenny i dont now if old nine baller was serious or facetious
maybe he can answer thst question
but eddie robbins beleived HE was the reason for the resurgence of 1p in the 1990's
most dont take him seriously about that (imho)
yes his books are MANDATORY READING for any serious 1p player(again imho)
People need to remember one thing very clearly. Tournament pool and gambling are vastly different.
Some of the best players to ever touch a pool cue barely ever won tournaments yet no tournament winners ever wanted any part of them for money.
This isn't to say that one aspect is tougher than the other one. Ralf Souquet put it best to me once when he said in a tournament you have to bring your A game right out of the gate because you don't get a second chance to beat a guy. You can't just flip it and go again in a tournament.
So that to me is the main difference. But in gambling you have to have the skill and stamina to get ahead and stay ahead.
There is a third aspect and it's the one set challenge match. That is like a tournament finals. One set to bring it for the cash with no flip-it option.
So....with that in mind Efren Reyes is unquestionably the best tournament one-pocket player on the earth. No one holds more titles that he does. He is also among the best one pocket gamblers.
But there is one player who has a winning record against Efren in the heads-up category and that is Scott Frost.
So if beating the best in heads-up play with no spot doesn't put you among the best right at the very top then I don't know how you would rate someone otherwise? The whole point of competition is to come out on top to establish the pecking order. If Scott isn't the best one pocket player on Earth he stands among the top four and possibly among the top two and thus isn't OVER-rated in any sense.
Could Scott improve? Sure he could, everyone has aspects of their game that could get better. Does Scott have Efren's carom knowledge? I don't think so. What if he did?
But what Scott does have is a deep understanding of one pocket and an impressive arsenal of shots. As has already been mentioned in this thread the vast gulf between the average player's understanding of one pocket and the top pros understanding is so big that it is practically incomprehensible UNTIL you have put money on the table and tried to beat a top player who is spotting you crazy weight. The things they do, the nuance in shots and cue ball position are simply too hard to fully grasp watching one pocket on video. When an inch matters they get inside that inch, constantly.
Is Scott Frost overrated? No not at all but the difference between him and the other top players isn't so great that any of them can dominate all the time.
Some of the best players to ever touch a pool cue barely ever won tournaments yet no tournament winners ever wanted any part of them for money.
This isn't to say that one aspect is tougher than the other one. Ralf Souquet put it best to me once when he said in a tournament you have to bring your A game right out of the gate because you don't get a second chance to beat a guy. You can't just flip it and go again in a tournament.
So that to me is the main difference. But in gambling you have to have the skill and stamina to get ahead and stay ahead.
There is a third aspect and it's the one set challenge match. That is like a tournament finals. One set to bring it for the cash with no flip-it option.
So....with that in mind Efren Reyes is unquestionably the best tournament one-pocket player on the earth. No one holds more titles that he does. He is also among the best one pocket gamblers.
But there is one player who has a winning record against Efren in the heads-up category and that is Scott Frost.
So if beating the best in heads-up play with no spot doesn't put you among the best right at the very top then I don't know how you would rate someone otherwise? The whole point of competition is to come out on top to establish the pecking order. If Scott isn't the best one pocket player on Earth he stands among the top four and possibly among the top two and thus isn't OVER-rated in any sense.
Could Scott improve? Sure he could, everyone has aspects of their game that could get better. Does Scott have Efren's carom knowledge? I don't think so. What if he did?
But what Scott does have is a deep understanding of one pocket and an impressive arsenal of shots. As has already been mentioned in this thread the vast gulf between the average player's understanding of one pocket and the top pros understanding is so big that it is practically incomprehensible UNTIL you have put money on the table and tried to beat a top player who is spotting you crazy weight. The things they do, the nuance in shots and cue ball position are simply too hard to fully grasp watching one pocket on video. When an inch matters they get inside that inch, constantly.
Is Scott Frost overrated? No not at all but the difference between him and the other top players isn't so great that any of them can dominate all the time.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
Grady contributed with his "Legends" tourneys but Eddie continued the interest with his books in 1993 & 1996.
Is Power One Pocket available in book form?
ONB
When someone says, "you can bet all you want" do they say it because they think they are stealing or because it's gambling.
And do they really mean it.....like if someone said sure I will take that game and bet $10 or if they said I will take it and bet one million dollars.
Should we amend the statement to something like I will give you 10-5 and bet everything I can?
Or does that sound much more like "I am stealing"?
IMO there are two people that can be credited with 1pocket becoming more popular. First is Matt Rosedaul who kept the US Open One Pocket tournaments going strong through the 90's up at The Billiard Playground, in Kalamazoo, MI.
Second would be The Professor, Grady Mathews, with his events on the East Coast and down South. Yes, Eddie's books didn't hurt. And thereafter, certainly Greg Sullivan with the DCC kept the flame going and then later Mark Griffin with his revival of the Open event. But during the tough years I think it was Matt and Grady.
Lou Figueroa
Second would be The Professor, Grady Mathews, with his events on the East Coast and down South. Yes, Eddie's books didn't hurt. And thereafter, certainly Greg Sullivan with the DCC kept the flame going and then later Mark Griffin with his revival of the Open event. But during the tough years I think it was Matt and Grady.
Lou Figueroa