I have long held the opinion that if someone offers you weight, you need more than they offer if you want to have a chance of keeping your money.
Is the 7 and out good weight playing a monster player?
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I have long held the opinion that if someone offers you weight, you need more than they offer if you want to have a chance of keeping your money.
I agree and the reverse is true too; when someone comes up to you asking for weight they are asking for much more than they think they need in order to win.
It is amazing games ever get played; that is why I like playing even regardless; however, I am not much of a gambler...lol.
One of the better experiences that I had, I was playing a very good local player. We started off with me getting the 7 & 8. I won pretty easily.
We adjusted to the 8 and he won. Then we decided to just change based on who won the game; if I won, it went to the 8 or stayed with the 8. If he won, I would get the 7 and 8 until I won again.
It was a very friendly game although we had never met one another before.
That all depends on you i think. how often can you break and get to the 7? if it's more or equal to how well your opponent can break and run out then sure you're in good shape
I played some of the best there was with just the 7. So yes I would take the 7 out.
like other people have said , the spot does not do any good if you cant get to it.
i played in a handicapped tournament tonight. i won my 1st 2 matches so i am sitting there feeling pretty good about geeting part of the money.
my 3rd match i face a 9, the race is me 4, him 8. after 8 racks we are sitting at me 3 and him 5 so i like my chances of winning with me sitting on the hill and he needs 3. i dry break and he runs out . the next rack he breaks and runs out. the next rack he breaks and runs out winning the match. you cant win if you dont get to the table.
i played in a handicapped tournament tonight. i won my 1st 2 matches so i am sitting there feeling pretty good about geeting part of the money.
my 3rd match i face a 9, the race is me 4, him 8. after 8 racks we are sitting at me 3 and him 5 so i like my chances of winning with me sitting on the hill and he needs 3. i dry break and he runs out . the next rack he breaks and runs out. the next rack he breaks and runs out winning the match. you cant win if you dont get to the table.
it all depends how well you play......
It all depends on how well the monster player is and how well you play?
Back when I played on the road I gave some pretty good shortstops the 7 8 wild. If I was up to speed it was usually pretty easy. But every once in a while I would get burnt.
If that happened I would go get some rest and try it again tomorrow. Usually i played better and the poorer player played worse.
Sometimes if the player was a c player they got spotted all the balls except nothing counted on the break. They usually didn't have a good shot after the break anyway. easy money.
If someone offers a spot unless you know each other well, you are probably the underdog.
good thread..........
It all depends on how well the monster player is and how well you play?
Back when I played on the road I gave some pretty good shortstops the 7 8 wild. If I was up to speed it was usually pretty easy. But every once in a while I would get burnt.
If that happened I would go get some rest and try it again tomorrow. Usually i played better and the poorer player played worse.
Sometimes if the player was a c player they got spotted all the balls except nothing counted on the break. They usually didn't have a good shot after the break anyway. easy money.
If someone offers a spot unless you know each other well, you are probably the underdog.
good thread..........
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I appreciate this coming from you Geno!
Good input. Thanks again, Geno.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
Good input. Thanks again, Geno.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
I've been begging a guy who is clearly 3-4 balls better than me to play with me giving him weight....he gets the wild 2, but can't use any chalk.....so far, he won't do it and it's been a running joke between us for ages....as stupid as it sounds, the spot is only as good as what it works out to....the same guy could give me the 6 out and rob me all day long, but he won't take the "no chalk" spot from me because he knows it will tear his game up...so if you can't get to the 7, then it's a worthless spot....and no, I wouldn't take the 7 and out from anyone who has "monster" status...
The Wild 2 isn't much of a spot. If I were that guy though I'd take the 7/8 from you and play with no chalk and rob you.
You would probably be very surprised to see how the game is played with no chalk. I practice that way all the time and there is a LOT that you can do with just speed control and staying near center ball. You might be surprised to find out that you can go out to a half tip off center with no chalk fairly easily and that this allows for position play that you might assume is not possible without chalk.
no no no no did I say no?
Maybe someone has already said this, but....
I read most of the posts in this thread, but not every word, so maybe someone has already said this....
A truthful hustler (oxymoron here) once told a sucker that when it comes to giving weight, "I may give you what you want, but I will never give you what you need." Strong players love it when their opponent thinks the strong player has given up "the nuts" and won by outrunning them.
I read most of the posts in this thread, but not every word, so maybe someone has already said this....
A truthful hustler (oxymoron here) once told a sucker that when it comes to giving weight, "I may give you what you want, but I will never give you what you need." Strong players love it when their opponent thinks the strong player has given up "the nuts" and won by outrunning them.
TheThaiger
Banned
Can someone explain to me what these terms actually mean?
Wild 2
5 on the wire
Orange crush
7 and out etc
Wild 2
5 on the wire
Orange crush
7 and out etc
That's true in poker too, but there's no spots in poker. Everybody playing poker thinks they're a monster until they're driving home broke, if they still have a car. lol.
Wild 2 - any time he legally pockets the 2 ball he wins the game
5 on the wire - The player with 5 on the wire automatically starts with 5 games won while the other players starts at 0
Orange crush - Game balls are 5,6,7,8,9 for the guy with the orange crush
7 and out etc - game balls are 7,8,9 for this guy
TheThaiger
Banned
Thanks! Orange crush - is there a pink or green crush?
Also, say you're giving me the 7, and I break and get the 7, 8 or 9 on the break, do I win? Or, if I get the break and make the 1, can I play a combo on the 2 and sink the 7, 8 or 9 to win, or does it have to be the 7 only?
suspect quite a few have said it but . . .
"I gave them what they wanted but I didn't give them what they needed" UJ Puckett in the Sixty Minutes interview. The quote is from memory so I may be slightly misquoting but not the meaning. He also tried to say something different to sugarcoat things but finally admitted "I robbed them" talking about basically everybody!
Almost every time, a spot freely offered or easily negotiated isn't enough. Even people that think they make a fair game find that they win far more often than they lose when they are the one giving the spot. Another indication is all the stories of outrunning the nuts. Here is a clue, nobody outruns the nuts more than once in a blue moon. That is why it is called the nuts. You are supposed to have to play very close to your best game to win a fair game. A perfectly fair game comes down to which player is able to hit a higher percentage of their best game at that moment in time. If we are really honest we don't deliberately give spots that require us to play 100% to win. If we do there is a word for us, loser!
If we are honest, we make a spot where we have to play well to win but we don't intentionally make a spot where we have to play our best. That is why the better player, the one giving the spot, almost always has another gear if he needs it and really wants or needs to win the set. People who play each other over and over aren't always in bust a gut to win mode. I used to cheerfully trade small bets around with other regulars. When I needed money or was in a tournament with them I often produced another gear that they rarely ran into from me.
Oh yeah, to answer the original question: The seven out is a great spot to get if you should be giving it!
Hu
"I gave them what they wanted but I didn't give them what they needed" UJ Puckett in the Sixty Minutes interview. The quote is from memory so I may be slightly misquoting but not the meaning. He also tried to say something different to sugarcoat things but finally admitted "I robbed them" talking about basically everybody!
Almost every time, a spot freely offered or easily negotiated isn't enough. Even people that think they make a fair game find that they win far more often than they lose when they are the one giving the spot. Another indication is all the stories of outrunning the nuts. Here is a clue, nobody outruns the nuts more than once in a blue moon. That is why it is called the nuts. You are supposed to have to play very close to your best game to win a fair game. A perfectly fair game comes down to which player is able to hit a higher percentage of their best game at that moment in time. If we are really honest we don't deliberately give spots that require us to play 100% to win. If we do there is a word for us, loser!
If we are honest, we make a spot where we have to play well to win but we don't intentionally make a spot where we have to play our best. That is why the better player, the one giving the spot, almost always has another gear if he needs it and really wants or needs to win the set. People who play each other over and over aren't always in bust a gut to win mode. I used to cheerfully trade small bets around with other regulars. When I needed money or was in a tournament with them I often produced another gear that they rarely ran into from me.
Oh yeah, to answer the original question: The seven out is a great spot to get if you should be giving it!
Hu
HEY lock,iam about a b plus player in 9ball,there was 2great players in my area (baltimore),Cigar Tom Vanover and Bobby Legg,i played both of them many times with the 5 and the breaks,i beat Bobby more then he beat me,but with Vanover,i think i won once out of about 10times,now Tom and Bobby play the same speed,but with Tom i was not as comfortable with ,i guess because ive know him so long and seen him beat so many great players,If i didnt win off of my break,i would lose every game,cause once they got control of the table i was done!