They can somewhat mitigate the hill/hill "issue" and make 'em win a set by 2 or 3 games.
Best of 5 sets for the cheese would be infinitely more exciting than one super long race. More marketable as well.
Is that type format more appealing DAZ??
JA asked me to post this, He wants to play Darren for $50,000
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They can somewhat mitigate the hill/hill "issue" and make 'em win a set by 2 or 3 games.
Best of 5 sets for the cheese would be infinitely more exciting than one super long race. More marketable as well.
Is that type format more appealing DAZ??
Just a suggestion...
Maybe to add a little excitement, maybe they could make this match happen in Vegas around the BCA event. There would be a ton of spectators there. I bet if there is a TAR pit you could fill that room with folks willing to pay 20-30 per ticket per day. Maybe throw some of this cash toward the game for the winner and it the game would go off for sure.
As far as the format, I agree with most people that doing races to like fifteen and best of five or seven sets would be great. It would definately make betting on the side alot better as people could bet with each individual set.
p.s. TAR PIT GUYS...set up vip tables for the fans...say, 200 for a table for 5. I want to see this action up front!:thumbup:
Maybe to add a little excitement, maybe they could make this match happen in Vegas around the BCA event. There would be a ton of spectators there. I bet if there is a TAR pit you could fill that room with folks willing to pay 20-30 per ticket per day. Maybe throw some of this cash toward the game for the winner and it the game would go off for sure.
As far as the format, I agree with most people that doing races to like fifteen and best of five or seven sets would be great. It would definately make betting on the side alot better as people could bet with each individual set.
p.s. TAR PIT GUYS...set up vip tables for the fans...say, 200 for a table for 5. I want to see this action up front!:thumbup:
Format Idea !
10 races to 15 (win by 2 rule)
Tiebreaker set if needed !
5 ahead (minimum of 20 racks played)
I don't care how they play as long as the "east coast" stipulation is locked in!!! 
I would guess it would happen somewhere between NYC and Georgia which would leave about a 900 mile window. I am in PA. so the longest drive would be what? 10 hours or so max? I'm there.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 4 inch pocket stipulation! have you ever played on 4" pockets? That is TIGHT! If they recover the table just before the match, the pockets will seems bigger, but some time during the second day it will get much more challenging.
G.
I would guess it would happen somewhere between NYC and Georgia which would leave about a 900 mile window. I am in PA. so the longest drive would be what? 10 hours or so max? I'm there.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 4 inch pocket stipulation! have you ever played on 4" pockets? That is TIGHT! If they recover the table just before the match, the pockets will seems bigger, but some time during the second day it will get much more challenging.
G.
I don't care how they play as long as the "east coast" stipulation is locked in!!!
I would guess it would happen somewhere between NYC and Georgia which would leave about a 900 mile window. I am in PA. so the longest drive would be what? 10 hours or so max? I'm there.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 4 inch pocket stipulation! have you ever played on 4" pockets? That is TIGHT! If they recover the table just before the match, the pockets will seems bigger, but some time during the second day it will get much more challenging.
G.
I think this should be played on the Left Coast so I can watch it live!!
I had 4" Ernesto pockets on my table for a few years. Very tough table!!
Darren,
thanks for your reply, I will tell JA. I agree with you. I would fall asleep in the long races. I like pressure and playing to 100 i lose focus and wake up so far behind I cant catch up.
Plase dont take offence to me asking you, it wasnt personal, Ja just wanted to know. I felt awakward asking you as your a good friend and a player I have the highest respect for.
The answere is no, and its finished.
my very best
eric
I took my time on this one because I was asked to do it by JA, and out of respect for Him and Darren I wanted it to be perfect. I'm ok when im not lazy
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I dont know who would win, I dont care, I just want to watch some good pool. Stating 'subscribed' was simply a way to chime in and show support for the idea.
If you don't do anything but call people out for posts you deem stupid im surprised you have time to make it out of NPR.
If you don't do anything but call people out for posts you deem stupid im surprised you have time to make it out of NPR.
Is this you??...........must be if you can avg 90 MPH.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/high_speed.html
I like the idea of a multiple set match. But to cure the problem of a player simply rolling over on a set when he's already down big only to in 100% again in the next set, I propose a "games ahead" stipulation in conjunction with the set format. In other words, if a player gets x number of total/cumulative games (counted across all the sets) ahead of the other player at any point during the match, then the ahead player wins. Otherwise, the match continues until the last set is won.
For example, a match consisting of five race-to-20 sets, but if a player ever gets 20 games ahead in total games he automatically wins. Therefore it would be impossible for a player to win 10-20, 10-20, 20-19, 20-19, 20-19 since he would automatically lose the match once the cumulative score got to 20-40 after the second set.
So in other words the above example is the five set match or the 20 ahead match, whatever comes first.
For example, a match consisting of five race-to-20 sets, but if a player ever gets 20 games ahead in total games he automatically wins. Therefore it would be impossible for a player to win 10-20, 10-20, 20-19, 20-19, 20-19 since he would automatically lose the match once the cumulative score got to 20-40 after the second set.
So in other words the above example is the five set match or the 20 ahead match, whatever comes first.
How about this 21 races to 5, seven a day for three days, first one to win 11 sets win the match.
Pressure on every game and it still concludes in three days. The people who are talking about playing for four days does not realize that trying to schedule three days betwen tournaments is tough enough, but four days would cause even more scheduling problems.
Pressure on every game and it still concludes in three days. The people who are talking about playing for four days does not realize that trying to schedule three days betwen tournaments is tough enough, but four days would cause even more scheduling problems.
no no but I hase seen that before....sik!
I was figuring they wouldn't pick new england, or key west as east coast, so I
guessed at a 10 hour outside drive time.....actually hoping for them to be playing here in my basement!
G.
Joe T
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I like it, with one reservation, side betting might be a little tougher. You could bet on the overal match and handicap the sets if needed (which usually is the case) but you couldn't bet on each set as easy, wait I take that back, guess you could lay money odds each set. So never mind, I like it, pressure packed for sure.
If it were races to somehwere around 9 then we could do both, money odds and games on the wire each set. So perhaps races to 9, first to get to 6 sets, playing 4 sets a day?
And when I say WE about betting on the side I'm not just thinking about US here, I'm thinking about the other future potential bettors and what they might enjoy?
Mars you the man, in a weird way I love those sets in the Mosconi Cup, I feel like they are playing twice as hard cause those sets are so short. You might be on to something, race to 5 or 6 would be reallll tough and certainly exciting to watch. I buy all PPV matches and I know I would be in for one of those just to see how they would shake out.
I'll offer up my Pro-8 GC 3 in Minneapolis in my basement, I'll gladly take the pockets down to 4" for this! LOL! Plus it has obstacles that they will have to overcome with short cues!
ROFLMAO
Great offer, I guess I missed it when Minneapolis moved to the East Coast
I would like to respectfully add my views on the above post and some other points.....
As a past player who yearly enjoyed trips to the US in the early 90's to learn and enjoy
"Your" game on the big tables, play tournaments and get play money games.
I am often disappointed by the stuff you guys post..
Lets begin with the above "Quote"..
You guys trot this line out time and again..
but I personally do not see why you think race to 150 is the "Champions" game?
9 ball or 10 ball for large sums of money is "Gambling" is it not?
Why then is a player who wins by outlasting his opponent a race to 150 the better gambler?
When it is possible the match was won through better stamina rather than ability!
In a long race , it gives a player the opportunity to recover from a poor start from maybe nerves..
or a poor patch thru a little inconsistency midway for example..
BUT... in a race to say 15 or 21 there is NO SUCH CUSHION!
You must have the game, firepower and mental strength to play tough from the get go..
Recover VERY quickly if you lose a couple of early racks and NOT fold under pressure..
OR YOU LOSE!!!
That is GAMBLING!
That shows HEART
And IMO is a serious test of a players ability.
I am sure if Darren can line up his backers, he will be very happy to post $50k
and play races to 21 for $10k a set for 24hours if Johnny likes the idea.
As Darren posted after the Bartrum game, one long race to 150 is simply a grind.
Btw...
For the "I Don't think Darren can win" posters...
Think again before you post...
Unlike Karl Boyes in the other thread..
Darren "IS" a gambler and can handle the pressure for the "cash"
Also...
Darren comes from a background of English Pool..
(7ft tables, potting 2" balls into 3" pockets with tighter "Snooker" shaped openings.)
Because of the "Tight" pockets English straight pool requires no "Break Ball" to be left.
You just make all 15 balls, rack them all up and break from where the cue balls lie.
On this equipment Darren has run 466 balls!!!!
Do you really think 2 1/2" balls into US style 4" pockets are in JA's favour?
Hmmm...
Not such an easy game to call!
Regardless...
I'm not trying to upset anyone...
Just my views, as I, like everyone else hope it goes ahead..
Two Top Class players and Sportsman in a great matchup... :smile:
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I would like to respectfully add my views on the above post and some other points.....
As a past player who yearly enjoyed trips to the US in the early 90's to learn and enjoy
"Your" game on the big tables, play tournaments and get play money games.
I am often disappointed by the stuff you guys post..
Lets begin with the above "Quote"..
You guys trot this line out time and again..
but I personally do not see why you think race to 150 is the "Champions" game?
9 ball or 10 ball for large sums of money is "Gambling" is it not?
Why then is a player who wins by outlasting his opponent a race to 150 the better gambler?
When it is possible the match was won through better stamina rather than ability!
In a long race , it gives a player the opportunity to recover from a poor start from maybe nerves..
or a poor patch thru a little inconsistency midway for example..
BUT... in a race to say 15 or 21 there is NO SUCH CUSHION!
You must have the game, firepower and mental strength to play tough from the get go..
Recover VERY quickly if you lose a couple of early racks and NOT fold under pressure..
OR YOU LOSE!!!
That is GAMBLING!
That shows HEART
And IMO is a serious test of a players ability.
I am sure if Darren can line up his backers, he will be very happy to post $50k
and play races to 21 for $10k a set for 24hours if Johnny likes the idea.
As Darren posted after the Bartrum game, one long race to 150 is simply a grind.
Btw...
For the "I Don't think Darren can win" posters...
Think again before you post...
Unlike Karl Boyes in the other thread..
Darren "IS" a gambler and can handle the pressure for the "cash"
Also...
Darren comes from a background of English Pool..
(7ft tables, potting 2" balls into 3" pockets with tighter "Snooker" shaped openings.)
Because of the "Tight" pockets English straight pool requires no "Break Ball" to be left.
You just make all 15 balls, rack them all up and break from where the cue balls lie.
On this equipment Darren has run 466 balls!!!!
Do you really think 2 1/2" balls into US style 4" pockets are in JA's favour?
Hmmm...
Not such an easy game to call!
Regardless...
I'm not trying to upset anyone...
Just my views, as I, like everyone else hope it goes ahead..
Two Top Class players and Sportsman in a great matchup... :smile:
Ok so then if daz is a gambler and not a grinder then im sure dennis or shane would play races to 21 for 10K and still win by a decent margin of 3-4 games. i also stated that daz and others don't like the race to 100 then races to 25 and first to win 4 sets wins the overall cash. that would be intresting to see daz and dennis play races to 25 10k a set first to win 4 sets gets the cash. maybe this format he can play some of the top American gamblers.
I agree with you. For that sort of race, it's not really the players gambling as much as the backers/rail birds/etc. I think a 100 or 150 race doesn't tell you who the best player is, it just tells you who can play "good" pool for the longest. No one is going to play "great" pool for that many games.
I really like the idea that some others mentioned about playing like 4 races to 25 sets over 4 days, one set per day. Like $10k for each of the first 3 races and $20k for the final race. I think that would also make it much more interesting for people to want to watch.
Brian
now we are getting somewhere i could figure out the 10K a set races to 25 but the final race was what i couldn't figure out and that's the format that would be cool to see is 10K a set races to 25 once a player reaches 75 games then they play final set for it all or just double what the other races were.