Jay Helfert owes an apology!

[ironman]

Don't you get it? This was not a match. It was a contest of an individual skill that was suppose to be done on equal terms for everyone because they all contributed hundreds of dollars.
If I had a weekly break pot and it went on for several months with no winner and then one night I decided to change to an easier table and only a few got to try it and won I would get chastized because I let all that money go to someone who got a lot better chance to win. Get it?

Something comes up at almost every tournament which forces the TD to make a decision and often improvise. Jay made a decision and it seemed like a very practical one at the time

As punishment, he should be flogged with a wet spahgetti noodle. That'll learn him.

 

[nfty9er]

This is wrongq

The DCC has had issues in the past over time restraints & the multitude of players in the events. I remember talking to Matlock not too happy that Efren & Corey got a bye in the late rounds of the 9 ball because they were finishing up the 1-pocket finals. Cost David the all-around title that year.

Sometimes things happen & from what Jay & others that were there, Jay did everything in his power to ensure that all players got a fair shake. Another two sided point to 9ers complaint is the time extension of the challenge. Seems to me, if the time was extended, then it was done so in order for all players wanting a chance to try on the TV table. Makes sense to me.

Next year, I think that sharking allowed and known to be an 'obstacle' in the event would make it even more enjoyable. $50 entry fee & lets have some real fun.

This could be compared to the Home Run Derby at the All Star game. (wait to see what the NHL has in store for their game this year)

The players who tried on the tv table already tried numerous times on the challenge tables. The problem with moving to another table was that all contestants who would have liked to try it on the tv table were not around. And if Jay says he had advanced money from those few players prior to midnight so that it lasted until 7 a.m. he is full of it. Those players he mentioned already contributed hundreds of dollars so you think they advanced a couple hundred more ahead of time?

 

[ribdoner]

Something comes up at almost every tournament which forces the TD to make a decision and often improvise. Jay made a decision and it seemed like a very practical one at the time

As punishment, he should be flogged with a wet spahgetti noodle. That'll learn him.

Seems like I tried to fight off a lion with a wet noodle after a case+ many moons ago....

 

[av84fun]

Don't you get it? This was not a match. It was a contest of an individual skill that was suppose to be done on equal terms for everyone because they all contributed hundreds of dollars.
If I had a weekly break pot and it went on for several months with no winner and then one night I decided to change to an easier table and only a few got to try it and won I would get chastized because I let all that money go to someone who got a lot better chance to win. Get it?

Oh I get it...trust me. What I GET is that you are a whiner who has no clue what he/she is talking about.

But most importantly, Jay Helfert has called you out as a persistent liar...which means that you are...because Jay is not.

You need to shut your pie hole before you trash whatever credibility you have left.

And, of course, I mean that with the greatest appropriate respect.

Regards,
Jim

 

[nfty9er]

That is great

That's interesting. Where did you dredge this quote up from? It sure wasn't on this thread.

I learned something a long time ago about promoting pool events. No matter what you do, you will never please everyone. There will always be "knockers" around taking pot shots at you. It goes with the territory.

The Derby City One Pocket Challenge will be back next year, bigger and better than ever. I invite you all to come and watch (and play if you like). You'll see why we had so much fun this year. And if anyone thinks they can beat Gabe's 60 on the TV table, I will be offering 10-1 odds on a hundred dollar bet all day long (whenever the table is open).

You don't get it Jay, I loved the challenge. I spent many hours watching. I support it and think it was a great idea. You just don't change the table in the end after 3 days. Have you ever changed the table you used for a break pot at any of your rooms?. I use my tightest and toughest table and never changed it because I would get chastized if I did and someone won.
That is what you did, plain and simple. And you and I know those players did not pay in advance prior to midnight so that it took them til 7 a.m. to play. You just kept taking money. Pool players never pay money in advance for hardly anything.
By the way, I was there but chose not to introduce myself because, first I thought you knew me already and you chose not to talk to me because I had an issue with you from years ago because you had a different opinion and coincidentally it was about tables too. How ironic.
I originated this post at the request of someone who would rather remain anonymous but one that did have a stake in the challenge. Neither of us has a grudge against you and we both respect what you have done for pool and believe for the most part u are a stand up guy but all i have talked to back home and explained the situation believe you should not allowed a few to play on a different table after 3 days w/o giving all a chance. Hell all those guys tried many, many times you should have just closed the tournament. Remember this is just my opiniion and it is shared by many.

 

[nfty9er]

Funny

The 1P challenge was a highlight for me at this years DCC. Thanks, Jay for the idea and the execution. I must admit I was wondering about the fairness of finishing the event on a different table. If Mika and the rest of the high scorers are ok with it then nobody else should be complaining, especially a non player. 60 balls on that equipment is a spectacular effort. Thanks again Jay. I look forward to it again next year.

I still would like to know how Gabe was breaking (i aksed the q in DCC forum). Where did the cue ball end up on the break shot?

Mika and other high scorers were very upset.

 

[nfty9er]

Thats funny too

On day two, Allen Hopkins taught everyone how to break. It was a third ball One Pocket break with a little more speed.

I told him I thought people were breaking wrong and that is when he changed his break. Actually I think the 2nd ball is better. I even like the head ball for consistency believe it or not.

 

[nfty9er]

Get a life

Oh I get it...trust me. What I GET is that you are a whiner who has no clue what he/she is talking about.

But most importantly, Jay Helfert has called you out as a persistent liar...which means that you are...because Jay is not.

You need to shut your pie hole before you trash whatever credibility you have left.

And, of course, I mean that with the greatest appropriate respect.

Regards,
Jim

You did not answer one point I made. You just call me a whiner. I am not, I was asked to get Jay to explain. I could care less. I had no stake in it.
If you believe it is fair to change tables good for you. I don't. That does not make me a whiner just a realist.

 

[Fast Lenny]

.Remember this is just my opiniion and it is shared by many.

Its your opinion and everyone has hear it but it is not shared by many but by few,we have heard your story and most people could care less.It was a great event,people play on the TV table during the tourney and you dont see people freaking out about it.Jay used what he had to,im sure if people complained before hand something would have been done,they obviously didnt.

 

[nfty9er]

Excuse me

Its your opinion and everyone has hear it but it is not shared by many but by few,we have heard your story and most people could care less.It was a great event,people play on the TV table during the tourney and you dont see people freaking out about it.Jay used what he had to,im sure if people complained before hand something would have been done,they obviously didnt.

It is shared by many not a few. Only a few on this forum. I have talked to many, many people and they share the same view. Same table. When a match is on tv table, two players are playing on "that" table for a win. They both have an equal chance. There is no comparison. How in the hell were people to complain before hand if they were in bed resting or were in action somewhere else when he decided to go elsewhere? There were people who sure complained after though. I was there and heard them, were you? Did you ever think or any of you that they may not partake in the internet?

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

The players who tried on the tv table already tried numerous times on the challenge tables. The problem with moving to another table was that all contestants who would have liked to try it on the tv table were not around. And if Jay says he had advanced money from those few players prior to midnight so that it lasted until 7 a.m. he is full of it. Those players he mentioned already contributed hundreds of dollars so you think they advanced a couple hundred more ahead of time?

It might be nice if you talked to Jay in a pm. I think that maybe cooler heads might prevail.
Most of thank Jay for doing this and yes it might not have been the best outcome moving it to the TV table (according to Jay), but he was The TD for this event and it was up to him to resolve the problem when the other room was closed.
When you run an event you have to fight fires all the time, the few people I have talked to that were in the event, said it was one of the most fun things that they did at the DCC.

I just want to say Kudos to Jay for taking the time out to host this event.
Pool needs more fun things with better $ endings.

More Kudos to the winner of this event, Gabe, one of the nicest young players around.

nfty9er I am kinda sad that you didn't show much respect to Jay in your first post or your last post. Actually your not showing any respect to Gabe as your questioning the methods used where he was the winner of the event. How fricking sad is that.
I hope in the future that you might pose a question on how an event was run and not just attack the organizers of any event.

None of us are perfect.

all the best
mrs.g

(Huge typo corrected)

 

[nfty9er]

With all due respect

It might be nice if you talked to Jay in a pm. I think that maybe cooler heads might prevail.
Most of thank Jay for doing this and yes it might not have been the best outcome moving it to the TV table (according to Jay), but he was The TD for this event and it was up to him to resolve the problem when the other room was closed.
When you run an event you have to fight fires all the time, the few people I have talked to that were in the event, said it was one of the most fun things that they did at the DCC.

I just want to say Kudos to Jay for taking the time out to host this event.
Pool needs more fun things with better $ endings.

More Kudos to the winner of this event, Gabe, one of the nicest young players around.

nfty9er I am kinda sad that you didn't show much respect to Jay in your first post or your last post. Actually your not showing any respect to Gabe as your questioning the methods used where he was the winner of the event. How fricking sad is that.
I hope in the future that you might pose a question on how an event was run and not just attack the organizers of any event.

None of us our perfect.

all the best
mrs.g

Maybe you should read all the posts. I praised both people. I mentioned what Gabe did as great accomplishement under difficult conditions. If you call questioning an unfair way a contest was conducted as an attack then so be it.
By the way . None of us are perfect not our perfect.

 

[jay helfert]

The players who tried on the tv table already tried numerous times on the challenge tables. The problem with moving to another table was that all contestants who would have liked to try it on the tv table were not around. And if Jay says he had advanced money from those few players prior to midnight so that it lasted until 7 a.m. he is full of it. Those players he mentioned already contributed hundreds of dollars so you think they advanced a couple hundred more ahead of time?

This will be my final response to you Dick. Yes, I found out who you are. Find me one player who says he paid me money after Midnite and you win $1,000! But if you can't find a player, you owe me $1,000. Bet?

Once again, no further entries were accepted after Midnite. That is a blatant lie and you sir are a liar! In fact the last entries we received were before 11 PM. It appears you have an axe to grind with me, and will go to great lengths to do so.

Your reputation on the West Coast is well known DICK! I have heard many stories about you and the way you have treated pool players who played in your room and in your tournaments. From what I can gather, you have an equally bad attitude in person. Many players have told me they will not go in your room. And you know who they are. Maybe they are all wrong about you, but I'm beginning to believe them more and more with each stupid post you make.

I will not back down from a loud mouth asshole, who runs his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about. If you have a problem with me, come see me in person. I'm not hard to find. You can stop hiding behind a screen name and come out and tell us who you are.

So one guy complained to you about the Challenge (let me guess), and you decided to take up the sword for him. Too bad he didn't have the balls to tell me himself. You two deserve each other.

Enough is enough. You've ranted on long enough about absolute bullshit. Go brush your tables and clean your balls, something you are qualified to do.

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

ooops never mind

 

[derekdisco]

This will be my final response to you Dick. Yes, I found out who you are. Find me one player who says he paid me money after Midnite and you win $1,000! But if you can't find a player, you owe me $1,000. Bet?

Once again, no further entries were accepted after Midnite. That is a blatant lie and you sir are a liar! In fact the last entries we received were before 11 PM. It appears you have an axe to grind with me, and will go to great lengths to do so.

Your reputation on the West Coast is well known DICK! I have heard many stories about you and the way you have treated pool players who played in your room and in your tournaments. From what I can gather, you have an equally bad attitude in person. Many players have told me they will not go in your room. And you know who they are. Maybe they are all wrong about you, but I'm beginning to believe them more and more with each stupid post you make.

I will not back down from a loud mouth asshole, who runs his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about. If you have a problem with me, come see me in person. I'm not hard to find. You can stop hiding behind a screen name and come out and tell us who you are.

So one guy complained to you about the Challenge (let me guess), and you decided to take up the sword for him. Too bad he didn't have the balls to tell me himself. You two deserve each other.

Enough is enough. You've ranted on long enough about absolute bullshit. Go brush your tables and clean your balls, something you are qualified to do.

wow, tell him how you really feel jay! LOL.

This guys youre speaking of is somewhat grumpy, he came up to the TAR booth steamin that the Tony C and Shannon match wasnt going down. But he cooled off once he realized he was being out of line and it wasnt our fault that Shannon was still in the 1 pocket tourny.

 

[yobagua]

Oh Mika was one of the "many" who cried foul? Oh now you got me laughing. Here is a biyatch who cries everytime he loses. Even for fun. The sweetest guy in the world who does not gamble but is in the pool world swears he never will play with Mika again because all he does is whine and moan if you out play him. Here is a guy who complains about everyones racks. Even Bustamante who is a very upstanding guy on a 2007 Derby city accustats tape got barked at by him for giving him the "rack" business. Bustamante finally had to tell him "rack it yourself then".
This nit and his slime ball cohorts will come into a pool room and say "Oh I dont know anything about one pocket" then proceed to offer you 9/7 because you probably would out move him. Then run 9 and out on your ass every time for $50 a set. He'll say this to your face even when we show him the accustats tape where he beats Richie Richeson, a one pocket monster. World champion that got no credibility. World Champion whiner. Are you in the same club? Seems like it. Are you speaking for him?
I am one of the people that donated to Jay money for the event. I am perfectly happy how it was run. Jay is one of the few I would give money to running an event. I know he is close to a few west coast guys like Tang and Mark Tadd. But he knows his reputation is on the line at all times. And knows that he wouldnt continue being where he is without his integrity. I am perfectly happy how he spent my money and am happy it went to players. I will do the same next year.
All you are doing is posting pool hall sniping and griping that should be heard amongst you and your cronies and that Mika. You are doing no service to the pool community other than showing that there still is a sector of nits and twits who have no credibility and future or bearing on the sport and only platform is the faceless and nameless internet.

 

[Peer]

You are doing no service to the pool community other than showing that there still is a sector of nits and twits who have no credibility and future or bearing on the sport and only platform is the faceless and nameless internet.

Assuming your real name is Yobagua, I must say that I agree with you.

If people can't even stand up for themselves, using their real names, etc. -- to me that creates a credibility issue.

-- peer

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

I have waited 2 days since the DCC hoping Jay would come clean and admit his unfair decision regarding his 1p challenge. Again the integrity and credibility of the game has been compromised and no less by one of the most popular guys on this forum and in the industry. I really enjoyed the
1p challenge, especially the friendly competition between several top players trying to crack this extremely difficult test of skill. Alex, John, Cliff, Mika and Gabe trying over and over to break 50 but to no avail. Finally John Schmidt got to 45 under extremely difficult conditions in the room where the straight pool challenge was also being held. Finally on the last day Mika got to 47 score to take the lead. I watched Alex and Gabe pulling their hair out trying to succeed to win. They spent a lot of money trying as did John. Then lo and behold it was posted that Gabe finally came through at shot a 60. Wow that was great I thought. Jay posted what a good accomplishment it was and how well Gabe played. (Gabe played well all week). But Jay selectively forgot to mention, that early in the morning of the last night of the competion he let Gabe try the challenge on the "TV TABLE". You got to be kidding me I told John. He confirmed it. Now I ask you did he let anyone else go out there and try it? No. That has got to be one of the most unfair decisions I have ever heard of. Put one player on a much easier table for a shot at the money when noone else had a chance. That table played so much easier than the ones in the challenge room. 60 was a piece of cake. Think of all the money spent by all the players to try this challenge on only 2 tables in a tough room then find out one player got a huge advantage by going to the TV table. What a joke and insult to all who tried that discipline on the very difficult tables. I watched for hours and let me tell you they were much tougher than the TV table.
So our sport has another black eye to overcome. What a sad state of affairs, please explain Jay.

View attachment 57734 This is all I see from your post............

 

[Fast Lenny]

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

This will be my final response to you Dick. Yes, I found out who you are.

It appears you have an axe to grind with me, and will go to great lengths to do so.

Your reputation on the West Coast is well known DICK! I have heard many stories about you and the way you have treated pool players who played in your room and in your tournaments. From what I can gather, you have an equally bad attitude in person. Many players have told me they will not go in your room. And you know who they are. Maybe they are all wrong about you, but I'm beginning to believe them more and more with each stupid post you make.

I will not back down from a loud mouth asshole, who runs his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about. If you have a problem with me, come see me in person. I'm not hard to find. You can stop hiding behind a screen name and come out and tell us who you are.

So one guy complained to you about the Challenge (let me guess), and you decided to take up the sword for him. Too bad he didn't have the balls to tell me himself. You two deserve each other.

Enough is enough. You've ranted on long enough about absolute bullshit. Go brush your tables and clean your balls, something you are qualified to do.

I have been following along and I'm curious to know if this DICK that you speak of, is the Dick M. from http://www.onepocket.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2 ?
Doug
( a simple yes or no will suffice, I'm not trying to get you riled up )




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