As has already been established i think the equipment makes bugger all difference in eight ball. it's just about picking the right pattern. and bar a couple of minor points the right pattern on an english pool table is the same on an american so he is a seasoned eight baller. this is proved by his good result in the IPT. he'd barely picked up an american cue before but he has good eight ball knowledge so he did really well. you don't need any big stroke shots in eight ball either like you do in nine or ten ball.
Ever played 8 or 9 ball on a very tight table? That alone will change your patterns. So will slow vs fast cloth, as well as every other difference. Quentin played a version of 8 ball with different rules, with different balls of a different size and weight, and on a different table with different speed cloth, different rails, different pocket size and cut etc. Although many patterns will be similar, there are tons of differences as well and the games are very different. Did it ever occur to you that it might be possible that the reason he did well in the IPT events is because his claims of having tremendous natural talent could be true?
and i'm sorry, but some of you need to get a grip of reality. quentin is not some sort of cue god. Does anybody here really think playing Quinten Hann at eight ball is HARDER than an all around match with Danny Harriman?? It's not even close! Playing Harriman is MUCH tougher.
I think it's harder, and even more important, so does John. He won't even consider American 8 ball with Quentin. And he could win a LOT more money off of Quentin than from Harriman. I think Quentin has thrown figures out there as high as $100,000+.
It's just the fact of the matter is why should John go out of his way to play someone who started insulting him and his ability and saying he is better than john at ALL games but then is only prepared to play him at one??
Why should John play after being insulted? Ummm, how about for money? And don't start giving me the principle of the matter argument here, because that is the one excuse that John has not used. The only way anybody would turn down a big money game with somebody they think they can beat just because that person said some not so nice things is if they were already filthy rich. Why should John go out of his way? I don't see him going out of his way. Last I heard he just had to show up and play. The other guy is the one that would be traveling half way around the world on his own dime to play on John's home court, and for whatever amount John wants.
only one person backing down in this thread as far as i can see.
Yup...John. To believe otherwise illustrates how much effect bias can have on looking at facts. Quentin has offered to play an American game and a British game (giving up 7 to 5 odds too). No go. Quentin has offered to play the game that most people believe to be the fairest of all, American 8 ball, a game that neither one has much experience with, and to be played on the equipment that John has spent his whole career on and on John's home court. No go. Quentin has offered to play an all around that favors John and consists of three American games of 8, 9 and 10 ball on American tables, and two British games of snooker and English 8 ball on their respective tables. Still no go. Quentin has made many other offers too, basically trying to do anything that is even half fair, even if he is at a disadvantage. No go on everything.
John has made precisely one offer--9 ball played to 30 ahead, and it has to be right away while Quentin is out of stroke and before he can learn the game.
play a few racks of nine ball for a few of weeks and play him if you are so much more talented than him!
We all know that superior knowledge of a game can make up for some differences in ability. Quentin knows he has a disadvantage in the knowledge department in American games and on American equipment that John has spent his whole life playing on. Even if it were true that he has more talent like he claims, he would have to have enough extra talent to also overcome John's advantage with the break, and John's advantage with the knowledge of the game and the equipment. He would rather just make a game that is closer to fair, especially since he is traveling half way around the world on his own dime, and that seems pretty reasonable.
eight ball you've got more experience than John probably. why should he play you at the one pool game you have a chance at when you started it by insulting him!
Quentin has played exactly two tournaments of American 8 ball in his life, and only practiced it for a few weeks for those tournaments. I know John played the same two tournaments and practiced it as much or more I am sure (Quentin is notorious for being lazy about practicing), and may have even played other American 8 ball tournaments that I am not aware of. John is also more likely to have gambled in American 8 ball, at least on rare occasion. John probably spent some time playing 8 ball when he was still learning to play also. John's straight pool knowledge would help in American 8 ball probably about as much as Quentin's English 8 ball knowledge would help. John almost certainly has the most American 8 ball experience, and he definitely has ALL of the experience with the American style equipment. Even if you were to think that Quentin might have the slight edge in knowledge of the game, it is negated by John's definite edge with the equipment (table and cues).
The bottom line is that American 8 ball is the ONLY game that both players still have relatively little experience with, and that is why it is the most fair test to see who has the most TALENT, not who can win at the game they have all the knowledge and experience in and that their opponent doesn't.
oh and i agree with corvette - did you even read this thread JAM?
JAM has been notorious throughout her entire pool forum career for always defending good pool players simply because they are good pool players, regardless of what they have done or how wrong they may be. She seems to believe that good pool players are entitled to not have to be accountable for right and wrong, and should not have anything negative said about them at any time or for any reason. If anybody ever says anything negative about a good pool player it is always a "sucker punch" in her eyes, regardless of the truth of what was said. Not looking to start a fight here, just expressing my opinion of how I see it just as she often does.
Any match at this point would be good. 8, 9, 10, or any kind of ball, snooker even. A pissing match and a heated game of yahtze would be nice. Chad would you make a yahtze challenge dvd?
