John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????
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chamillionare said:
Based on the chamillionare's comments, here are his odds of winning an all around match which includes 8-Ball, 9-Ball & 14.1
8-Ball (W), 9-Ball (W), 14.1 (L) = 0.216
8-Ball (W), 9-Ball (L), 14.1 (W) = 0.176
8-Ball (L), 9-Ball (W), 14.1 (W) = 0.066
8-Ball (W), 9-Ball (W), 14.1 (W) = 0.264
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0.722
At 72.2%, you would be
1) a fool not to play
2) a fool
I'm going with number 2)
fool
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I've no idea why John won't play Quinten at 8-ball, this is totally confusing. Hann has played a handful of hours of 8-ball on US style equipment and more importantly at US rules. The fact that he has played 8-ball in the UK and Oz in the past is totally irrelevant as the equipment and rules are way different. He may as well have been playing tiddly-winks.
Fatboy said:
Normally, I don't sweat my own matches let alone someone else's match. This one, I make an exception to. I would love to sweat this match at your mansion if I get the nod.
I bet your watch is worth more than Hann's watch.
I bet Hann ain't going to accept this match.
I bet I ain't bettin' sheyattt.
I will bring my own sweater's towel if I get invited to the match................... WHOA! Wait a minute.
How about THE GINGERBREAD MAN AND JOEY THE GLOVE as an undercard?
JoeyA
Forget the mansion
That mansion private offer stuff is a load. This match needs to be played in public, because it's an official challenge here with all the fans and players keeping track & getting in on the insults. Quinten said his peace and agreed to some terms, and has confirmed he's game. He already said everything he needs to say, and has proved he's got some testicles and some resolve here. He's given as much commitment as he needs to give, considering this is informal and done through an online forum and not in person. As it stands, he is putting up a little cash to reserve the agreement through TAR, he just needs a thumbs up from John who as already talked enough smack, and has already said he'd be willing to match up. Now John just needs to nut up and commit himself to the match, the same way Quinten has, so we can have at it officially. What do you say John? How about coming to terms, and splitting the agreement with Quinten? Through TAR, you two will be playing 8-ball for 30K? Forget rotation or snooker or any of that crap. Quinten has agreed to 8-ball, the 30k, some 4-5 months from now, with a deposit down to make it official. Are you up to the challenge Mr. 400? I hope so John because I admire your game and your character, and you're one of my favorite voices in pool and I think you can handle this challenge. The U.S. Open Champion against the brash and banned cue artist from Australia, who now represents the UK. This is all you John! Time to make it happen buddy!
That mansion private offer stuff is a load. This match needs to be played in public, because it's an official challenge here with all the fans and players keeping track & getting in on the insults. Quinten said his peace and agreed to some terms, and has confirmed he's game. He already said everything he needs to say, and has proved he's got some testicles and some resolve here. He's given as much commitment as he needs to give, considering this is informal and done through an online forum and not in person. As it stands, he is putting up a little cash to reserve the agreement through TAR, he just needs a thumbs up from John who as already talked enough smack, and has already said he'd be willing to match up. Now John just needs to nut up and commit himself to the match, the same way Quinten has, so we can have at it officially. What do you say John? How about coming to terms, and splitting the agreement with Quinten? Through TAR, you two will be playing 8-ball for 30K? Forget rotation or snooker or any of that crap. Quinten has agreed to 8-ball, the 30k, some 4-5 months from now, with a deposit down to make it official. Are you up to the challenge Mr. 400? I hope so John because I admire your game and your character, and you're one of my favorite voices in pool and I think you can handle this challenge. The U.S. Open Champion against the brash and banned cue artist from Australia, who now represents the UK. This is all you John! Time to make it happen buddy!
fdambi said:
John has indicated he does not like 8-ball, he prefers to play 9-ball, 10-ball, 14.1, or 1-pocket.
Quinten has indicated he is the favorite in ANY game, and only needs his big toe to pull out a win.
Personally, I do not enjoy watching 8-ball, if it's 8-ball call KT for a challenge match.
Screw it.... Throw out a 10 foot table and play nineball.
If that isn't about the middle of the road i don't know what is.
Both give up half that way.
John is supposed to win in nineball on a 9 foot, Hann is supposed to be better on a big table.
Hann gives up two feet of shooting room, john gives up the nine foot advantage.
Both are great shooters, and regardless of the game, if you gave me four or five months to "learn" a game at their level, I'd be faking it,too.
At this stage of the game, it's not about who has the bigger jimmy, it's who wants to hold onto what they are the best at until the last minute to show what they really have.
1 Anniversary table.
Three sets of rails.
They can play carom, snooker, straight pol, 9ball whatever.....
Somebody start racking.
If that isn't about the middle of the road i don't know what is.
Both give up half that way.
John is supposed to win in nineball on a 9 foot, Hann is supposed to be better on a big table.
Hann gives up two feet of shooting room, john gives up the nine foot advantage.
Both are great shooters, and regardless of the game, if you gave me four or five months to "learn" a game at their level, I'd be faking it,too.
At this stage of the game, it's not about who has the bigger jimmy, it's who wants to hold onto what they are the best at until the last minute to show what they really have.
1 Anniversary table.
Three sets of rails.
They can play carom, snooker, straight pol, 9ball whatever.....
Somebody start racking.
Cuephoric said:
an interesting idea.
next ipt challenge
i know both men pretty well!!
johns a class american pool player have watched him at full speed his a match for anyone!
q hann underachieved at snooker mainly due to his lazyness but still achieved no 12 in world and beat all the best players and reached a few semi finals etc
hann played in world 8ball champs few times english style pool and my opinion one of the best players have seen and played against...
hann would have made it into top 8 on the ipt easily my opinion if ipt continued
john cant remember watching him play 8ball on ipt but i think straight pool is very similar to 8ball regards to patterns and john plays staight pool great one of the best probably,
sorry john i have made 100s of tons at snooker but if i played q hann at snooker race to 50 i would do very well to get 20 frames.. theres thousands of players in uk running round snooker tables knocking tons in and some players who have made over 50 147s breaks but not good enough to make top 64 in world!
i know hann played a little 9ball in the past and played strong if he played all the time he would be the best player from snooker at 9ball imho , better than drago ,ronnie,selby,white,davis etc
but playing 8ball on big pockets and simonis cloth for me its way too easy imo and dont really need good patterns but need a big break consistant break something that hann not got but john as.. so i think playing 8ball on this equipment would be a fair game, if they played ipt equipment i would favour hann!
but we could all bombard the ipt voting and start voting for hann v john sm and get a little taster we would all beable to watch it live and bet on the side
i know both men pretty well!!
johns a class american pool player have watched him at full speed his a match for anyone!
q hann underachieved at snooker mainly due to his lazyness but still achieved no 12 in world and beat all the best players and reached a few semi finals etc
hann played in world 8ball champs few times english style pool and my opinion one of the best players have seen and played against...
hann would have made it into top 8 on the ipt easily my opinion if ipt continued
john cant remember watching him play 8ball on ipt but i think straight pool is very similar to 8ball regards to patterns and john plays staight pool great one of the best probably,
sorry john i have made 100s of tons at snooker but if i played q hann at snooker race to 50 i would do very well to get 20 frames.. theres thousands of players in uk running round snooker tables knocking tons in and some players who have made over 50 147s breaks but not good enough to make top 64 in world!
i know hann played a little 9ball in the past and played strong if he played all the time he would be the best player from snooker at 9ball imho , better than drago ,ronnie,selby,white,davis etc
but playing 8ball on big pockets and simonis cloth for me its way too easy imo and dont really need good patterns but need a big break consistant break something that hann not got but john as.. so i think playing 8ball on this equipment would be a fair game, if they played ipt equipment i would favour hann!
but we could all bombard the ipt voting and start voting for hann v john sm and get a little taster we would all beable to watch it live and bet on the side
RunOut_PP said:
And the break isn't as important in 8 ball? True you need to learn the patterns and what not but there is no safety play at the pro level unless someone butchers the break. Any C player can run out a rack of 8 ball on a 9 foot table if breaking decently.. I know cause I do it all the time.
Of course some players are more "skilled" 8 ball players without huge breaks: Efren is in his own world when it comes to running tough layouts in 8 ball.
Anyway I guess my point is 9 ball has many more intricate shots, kicks and lots of safety play and doesn't require a huge break (as in 10 ball). Oh and I almost forgot: It's fun to watch!
Seems like a reasonable game if Mr Hann is such a cue sport prodigy he should be able to learn. Tony Drago has no problem playing 8 ball or 9 ball. Also Mr Hann's break can't be that bad he had 3 more B&R's than Thorsten Hohmann on the IPT tour.
Seems ironic to me this guy says American pool players are no good and then wants to match up with a game that simply isn't played very much.
no you cant forget the mansion, i have the perfect enviorment, just because i cant spell dosent mean I dont know my chit. I could with the players permission invite upto 10 people to come watch, I dont want to crowd the room or have a zillion people over and besides we'll have video. I know John and consider him a friend, I dont know him well but I know him, the other player I dont know but thats cool. The offer stands. I wont be in attendance-I'll watch the video.
If your not there then who will be the host?Fatboy said:
Make it happen
POST UP OR SHUT UP........ I think we have all heard enough, about who can beat who. We know that each players posses the skills to play this game at a high level so enuogh talk LET'S PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
bignasty said:why dont you both send me a deposit and we will have our selves a lil challenge match! on the pool table of course, i think i can control both parties involved! nobody has to worry about anything off the table just let your cues do the talking! im sure we can make a game! i mean you want jon on the table quinten and john i know you want him on the table so lets get the ball really rolling!pm me if your interested quinten!
POST UP OR SHUT UP........ I think we have all heard enough, about who can beat who. We know that each players posses the skills to play this game at a high level so enuogh talk LET'S PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
hi
people say im backing out.well all i can say is im playing danny harriman an all around match.believe me i would much rather play quintenn an all around match before harriman.
people say im backing out.well all i can say is im playing danny harriman an all around match.believe me i would much rather play quintenn an all around match before harriman.
I tip my hat to you John, not only are you rematching a game you lost at before, but you're going to his home room. You must be hittin em pretty sporty!
I know several pool players that hate 8-ball and apparently John is one of them so why in the world would he play a game he hates for $30k? If Hann thinks American pool players stink so bad play SVB some 8 ball and see how he likes it.
8-ball on a big table is way too easy of a game IMO, it takes out all of the defense, kicking, stroke shots, breaking etc... that 9-ball requires. I liked the idea of them playing on a 10' table 9-ball but I also think 10-ball or even 12 ball would be fun to watch.
8-ball on a big table is way too easy of a game IMO, it takes out all of the defense, kicking, stroke shots, breaking etc... that 9-ball requires. I liked the idea of them playing on a 10' table 9-ball but I also think 10-ball or even 12 ball would be fun to watch.
ccshrimper said:
exactly. right on.
Well I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on here.
Player A:
1 Offers to travel half way around the world to his opponents continent and give his opponent the home court advantage.
2 Offers to give the equipment advantage to his opponent and play on a a type of table and with a type of cue that he has only used for 1% of his career, and that his opponent has used for 99% of his career.
3 Offers to play one match of his favorite game, and one match of his opponents favorite game, all the while giving up home court advantage.
4 Offers to play 3 American games and 2 British games, which favors his opponent because they get more games they are familiar with, and more games with their preferred equipment type.
5 Offers to play the neutral game of American 8 ball, which actually favors his opponent because the opponent almost certainly has more experience with the game, and because the opponent definitely has all of the experience with the equipment to be used.
6 Offers to let the opponent choose where, when and for how much they play for.
Player B:
Unwilling to give up anything. Only willing to play one game, and that game must be a game that he has extensive experience with, and that his opponent has little or no experience with.
Player A:
1 Offers to travel half way around the world to his opponents continent and give his opponent the home court advantage.
2 Offers to give the equipment advantage to his opponent and play on a a type of table and with a type of cue that he has only used for 1% of his career, and that his opponent has used for 99% of his career.
3 Offers to play one match of his favorite game, and one match of his opponents favorite game, all the while giving up home court advantage.
4 Offers to play 3 American games and 2 British games, which favors his opponent because they get more games they are familiar with, and more games with their preferred equipment type.
5 Offers to play the neutral game of American 8 ball, which actually favors his opponent because the opponent almost certainly has more experience with the game, and because the opponent definitely has all of the experience with the equipment to be used.
6 Offers to let the opponent choose where, when and for how much they play for.
Player B:
Unwilling to give up anything. Only willing to play one game, and that game must be a game that he has extensive experience with, and that his opponent has little or no experience with.