John Shmidt's got action

john schmidt said:
many people are going to watch this match.
i dont expect the money to come from one person.
there is hundreds who want to see me lose and think dannys got the best of it.
hell danny might give 1000 himself he wants to play so bad.

anyway i know 5000 is a little steep but if im going to play him and let alot of people watch then i want 5000.
im not asking for 20,000 .
the reason poolplayers never get anything anyway is because most of them are to stupid and broke to demand enough to make things worth their while.

if 5000 cant be raised then the match is not worth having anyway.

again if danny would have just said good shootin john at end of last match i would have played already.

since he wanted to be a pain well ill be one too.

but again 5000 i will play or i will donate 5000 of my own to charity .ill put that in writing by the way
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John,
Actually I like your thoughts about being paid to show up. The show up payout amount may need to be negotiated but I would like to offer another suggestion in hopes of getting what both you and Danny deserve.

A match between you and Danny would go over big and I like the idea of show up money but only for the loser. If it is to be a winner take all match then the loser should be the one who is compensated for showing up. The winner gets all of the cash. The loser should have his expenses covered and some walking money to boot but that's just my opinion.

Spending 3-5 days playing a match like this is worth a considerable amount of money and the preparation for a match like this is worth even more. $5,000 seems like a fair amount to be paid to the loser but I'm just not sure that the traffic will bear it and if it needs to be negotiated, it should be.

It is sometimes difficult but even I try not to live in the past and hashing over what was said in the past or done in the past is not the way to extract the best of what the world has to offer.

It is my sincerest hope that you and Danny can respect each other enough as professionals to play one more match because both of you deserve that opportunity.

Sincerely,

Joey Aguzin
 
JCIN said:
I dont have all the names but here are a few I know of:

Scott Frost
David Matlock
Shane Van Boening
Joey Gray
Mike "Meatball" Banks Jr.
Jesse Bowman

Watchez posted that he spoke with Dan Tull of Shooters and Dan told him there were 17 paid with more to come. Last year there were some pretty good players who walked in last minute. I will see if we can get a full list.

As for the DVD's. :D

We are about 6 months behind on getting DVD's out. If something epic happens then they will be out sooner rather than later.
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Andy Quinn & Chad Vilmont are also confirmed.

Can't wait to next week. CYA then TAR.
 
john schmidt said:
many people are going to watch this match.
i dont expect the money to come from one person.
there is hundreds who want to see me lose and think dannys got the best of it.
hell danny might give 1000 himself he wants to play so bad.

anyway i know 5000 is a little steep but if im going to play him and let alot of people watch then i want 5000.
im not asking for 20,000 .
the reason poolplayers never get anything anyway is because most of them are to stupid and broke to demand enough to make things worth their while.

if 5000 cant be raised then the match is not worth having anyway.

again if danny would have just said good shootin john at end of last match i would have played already.

since he wanted to be a pain well ill be one too.

but again 5000 i will play or i will donate 5000 of my own to charity .ill put that in writing by the way
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Seems like your brain is spinning so I am sure you can come up with something.

I don't want to get into all TAR business practice specifics but I know they have posted before that the 'players' get money from DVD sales & also a cut of the front door and/or guaranteed hotel paid - so I am comfortable saying that. I believe that JCIN stated that on one DVD, Corey's take was $800 from the first go around of sales. So John, something beyond the gamble is in it for you. And this is something beyond what a stakehorse, backers, and others will get out of being involved in such a challenge match. Unless you have a different agreement with your stakehorse but when I have been involved with Justin B. he knew that any DVD money earned & any hotel money given was all his to keep.

Maybe for your Danny rematch, you can sell the DVDs afterwards for a higher price or charge more for the PPV (although I think that charging less will actually get more viewers and bring more total money. In St Louis, they started years ago having $10.00 entry fee/$1,000 added tournaments and they got way more players than when the entry fee was $40 or $50). Many have compared this situation to boxing and I believe that boxers are tied into the PPV take just like TAR has done with the DVD take for the players.
 
John knows we can't pay $10K to have a match (5 for each player because that is what it would have to be). I think he is just fishing to see if anyone in Danny's camp is worked up enough to jump.

If it was at all within the realm of possibility we would love to be able to pay the players a good size appearance fee and all expenses.It would make our lives much easier and the players deserve as much as they can get for their skill. Currently that is not feasible. Hopefully some day.

Right now, if players want that kind of upfront money to play, then we have seen our last challenge match from TAR. The way we do it now allows the players to make some money win or lose and allows us to make enough to keep doing them. Do not forget that the backers deserve a lot of credit in these matches as well. Without them NO ONE makes anything.

If someone can figure a way to put that kind of money in the players pockets, more power to them and I would support it all the way.

We are behind on getting DVD's out so the players on them do not have revenue coming in yet but neither do we. The part that makes our system work is that everyone is in the same boat after the match is over.
 
JCIN,

I do agree, however I think the players need to realize this is something that takes time to build. If they expect a take so high that you can't keep improving TAR and put some money toward advertising these events then the numbers and profit for all will not grow.

I hope one day to be watching a TAR match and see over 5000 paid customers on there at $25. This is not the case yet, so maybe what's fair is a percentage going to the players?

I hope players look at TAR as an opportunity to build something pool has never had and that's viewership. It's not there as a cash grab for an appearance fee. We wanna see action, we want to see two guys with something to lose, if large appearance fees become normal we will have to put something else on the line. Maybe Alex had the right idea? "Loser shaves his head!" lol

By the way Danny and John you both seem to be great characters who's rivaly could be historical. I want to watch this match and I really hope it happens.
 
THE START TIME FOR TONY CHOHAN VS GABE OWEN MATCH HAS BEEN MOVED UP TO 5 PM EASTERN FOR ALL THREE DAYS.

Just wanted everyone to know about the start being moved up.
 
i gave this a bit more thought:


John dosent want to play now, nothing more-nothing less. "Now" is the key word here, he might not be ready. It is in his best interest not to play or say the wrong thing for what ever reason, so put it off on Danny or ask for $$$ that aint ever going to happen(apperance fee).

When JS left AZ I said "He will 100% be back here when its good for him" Sure enough when it is he is back, I knew when he left cause he said someone was rude it was a polite way of leaving withoput pissing anyone off at John, Same move with Danny, No body is pissed at John, He is maintaining his public image-AS HE SHOULD!!

I have see JS stand his ground, infact cross the line once, he is triple smart, I respect him and like him as he has awalys taken my phone calls and been 100% respectful and decent to me. I consider hin a aquitance who I like and if time permits I would like to know better.


Haaving said all that and outing him IMO (well kinda ;) ) He will 100% play Danny again-WHEN IT SUITS HIM and not a day earily, til then JS will make Danny look like the bad guy, and there is nothing wrong with that, but I dont believe that Danny is a bad guy at all.

I dont mean any disrespect to John or Danny at all, just how I see it.
 
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Fatboy said:
i gave this a bit more thought:


John dosent want to play now, nothing more-nothing less. "Now" is the key word here, he might not be ready. It is in his best interest not to play or say the wrong thing for what ever reason, so put it off on Danny or ask for $$$ that aint ever going to happen(apperance fee).

When JS left AZ I said "He will 100% be back here when its good for him" Sure enough when it is he is back, I knew when he left cause he said someone was rude it was a polite way of leaving withoput pissing anyone off at John, Same move with Danny, No body is pissed at John, He is maintaining his public image-AS HE SHOULD!!

I have see JS stand his ground, infact cross the line once, he is triple smart, I respect him and like him as he has awalys taken my phone calls and been 100% respectful and decent to me. I consider hin a aquitance who I like and if time permits I would like to know better.


Haaving said all that and outing him IMO (well kinda ;) ) He will 100% play Danny again-WHEN IT SUITS HIM and not a day earily, til then JS will make Danny look like the bad guy, and there is nothing wrong with that, but I dont believe that Danny is a bad guy at all.

I dont mean any disrespect to John or Danny at all, just how I see it.
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fatboy your allright in my book.
but if you think i wont flip the coin tomorrow for for 5000 show money then you dont know me real well.

actually you are one of the people who have enough money to get to the bottom of this and see if you can call my bluff.cmon fatboy i double dog dare you to put me on the spot and make me play danny even though i might get humiliated and drilled on camera .

whatever happens i like your style and your one of the guys who might just take one for the team.
youll be the one who was willing to make me play
 
john schmidt said:
fatboy your allright in my book.
but if you think i wont flip the coin tomorrow for for 5000 show money then you dont know me real well.

actually you are one of the people who have enough money to get to the bottom of this and see if you can call my bluff.cmon fatboy i double dog dare you to put me on the spot and make me play danny even though i might get humiliated and drilled on camera .

whatever happens i like your style and your one of the guys who might just take one for the team.
youll be the one who was willing to make me play
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you allright in my book to!!, did you say flip?;) tail's for $5,000:thumbup:

i will take one for the team, you will play when your ready to play-your too smart not to.

So I pay you 5, bet the world on danny? thats the only way I cant come out good. yeah we gotta talk, i will call you sometime soon.:) i would never admit to being in deals like this before but times are tough nowdays.
 
I like both of these GREAT players and respect there games immensely, but I think both guys could have represented themselves MUCH better. However I agree with some of the earlier posts, that a little drama certainly builds excitement as long as it doesn't get personal, nasty, and hateful... ( this has gotten VERY VERY close) One thing about it, if this match ever goes off, it could be a record breaker in terms of PPV viewership and DVD sales. My day job is in Marketing/Advertising and this has HUGE potential. Hell, I'd try to get my company to help TAR promote the darn thing if I thought it could help.

Didn't someone already try some kinda "full contact pool" a couple of years back? LOL
 
I don't think it will get much better than the Tony Chohan-Gabe Owen One Pocket match starting tomorrow. That's also a dream match up for One Pocket fans. I have to say TAR has brought us some really good stuff. The SVB-Alex match was a classic of two great players in dead heat. I look for more of the same with T-Rex and Gabe. Both are on top of their game right now.
 
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jay helfert said:
I don't think it will get much better than the Tony Chohan-Gabe Owen One Pocket match starting tomorrow. That's also a dream match up for One Pocket fans. I have to say TAR has brought us some really good stuff. The SVB-Alex match was a classic of two great players in dead heat. I look for more of the same with T-Rex and Gabe. Both are on top of their game right now.
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But it doesn't have the built in rivalry and drama this does......you don't neccessarily sell the steak......you sell the sizzle.
 
akaTrigger said:
Am I the only one that is purely disgusted by Danny's tone and comments?

I'm just askin'...
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You are NOT alone! I would have said something but I hadn't yet figured out a way to say it without seeming very judgemental. "Purely disgusted" says it pretty well.
 
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