Johnny Archer vs. Allison Fisher?
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hell no i would not.if i won winner or alt break giving her 40 i would be surprised alot.i would have to play great and get way more rolls even then it would come right down to the wire.
hell no i would not.if i won winner or alt break giving her 40 i would be surprised alot.i would have to play great and get way more rolls even then it would come right down to the wire.
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here is something to think about.jean balukas is considered to be as good in her prime as any woman ever. the game she played a ton of being from northeast is 14.1.jeanette has played a ton of it so has jasmin oushan.the world record iirc is 152 by jeanette.now this is a game where the breakshot is eliminated .i do think a female could or might run over 200 one day.but it kind of puts in perspective how good the top male players play.
here is something to think about.jean balukas is considered to be as good in her prime as any woman ever. the game she played a ton of being from northeast is 14.1.jeanette has played a ton of it so has jasmin oushan.the world record iirc is 152 by jeanette.now this is a game where the breakshot is eliminated .i do think a female could or might run over 200 one day.but it kind of puts in perspective how good the top male players play.
I think a good game would be John vs Karen, with Karen getting the 8 and an alternat breaker, ex Shane, Larry Nevel, Johnny. Race to 100 winner break.
Southpaw said:
Neither do I but the FACT is that Alli hates to gamble and probably hasn't done so more than a half dozen times in her life!
And when she did, it was VERY likely for small change "make it interesting" kind of stakes like John played chewtobacco.
He!!, $800 for ten hours of banging it around isn't even gambling. It's worth that much to get a lesson from John.
Regards,
Jim
Thanks John, for mentioning Jeanette. Let's forget about Allison and Karen for a minute. The chances of getting them into any kind of challenge match is remote, although it has happened. Just ask Grady.
I'd rather talk about Jeanette who may be ranked sixth or something like that on the Women's Tour. And she will gamble! And bet high too. Maybe someone has a shortstop they want to put in the box against her in an All Around match. You know, 9-Ball, One Pocket and Banks. No champions please. Guys like John S., Larry Nevel, Shawn Putnam, Marcus, T-Rex, Chris Bartram etc. etc. are barred.
But a true shortstop is not. If there are any of them that are interested in such a game, pipe up at DCC this week. I'll be there and so will Jeanette. It can be arranged! We will not dog the bet. I promise you that.
I love Monica's game, especially gambling, but I don't think she wants this same challenge with Jeanette. I could be wrong, but I may be right, for once.
I'd rather talk about Jeanette who may be ranked sixth or something like that on the Women's Tour. And she will gamble! And bet high too. Maybe someone has a shortstop they want to put in the box against her in an All Around match. You know, 9-Ball, One Pocket and Banks. No champions please. Guys like John S., Larry Nevel, Shawn Putnam, Marcus, T-Rex, Chris Bartram etc. etc. are barred.
But a true shortstop is not. If there are any of them that are interested in such a game, pipe up at DCC this week. I'll be there and so will Jeanette. It can be arranged! We will not dog the bet. I promise you that.
I love Monica's game, especially gambling, but I don't think she wants this same challenge with Jeanette. I could be wrong, but I may be right, for once.
jay helfert said:Thanks John, for mentioning Jeanette. Let's forget about Allison and Karen for a minute. The chances of getting them into any kind of challenge match is remote, although it has happened. Just ask Grady.
I'd rather talk about Jeanette who may be ranked sixth or something like that on the Women's Tour. And she will gamble! And bet high too. Maybe someone has a shortstop they want to put in the box against her in an All Around match. You know, 9-Ball, One Pocket and Banks. No champions please. Guys like John S., Larry Nevel, Shawn Putnam, Marcus, T-Rex, Chris Bartram etc. etc. are barred.
But a true shortstop is not. If there are any of them that are interested in such a game, pipe up at DCC this week. I'll be there and so will Jeanette. It can be arranged! We will not dog the bet. I promise you that.
I love Monica's game, especially gambling, but I don't think she wants this same challenge with Jeanette. I could be wrong, but I may be right, for once.
lil John would be a good game for this. But with all her sponsors and whatnot, id guess janettes gambling days are over.
derekdisco said:
Not necessarily! Jeanette is a free spirit who does her own thing, and she happens to like pool with a friendly wager involved. Whatever Jeanette does, it just builds her legend, as the most famous pool player on the planet.
You can argue all day and night, but that's a reality. I know that may disappoint some of you, but she is. As far as fame goes, Jeanette can give everyone else the 7 and the break.
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And what I actually said, was that in the first 6 games Allison played 100% perfect pool. Never missed, never defensed, just ran out every time she got to the table, whether she broke or not...Russ Chewning said:
Just saying, that's pretty impressive at any level... You can't beat perfection!
Now of course you can try and sidestep that performance, by saying yeah buts... Like yeah but could she sustain it in a race to 100....
My point was just to acknowledge the accomplishment. Women's pool has come quite a long way in the last 10-20 years, and Allison is at the forefront of that progress.
Russ Chewning said:And playing a woman who makes a bad enough mistake to lose a game outright on that inning is entirely different from playing someone like Archer. Very rarely is Archer going to miss an open ball the way the women will. A mistake for him is leaving the table, and his opponent can SEE the 1 ball...
Then again, Karen and Allison beating up on shortstops to win regional tournaments illustrates quite nicely how HUGE a difference there is between shortstops and the top male players.
For some reason, people on here have tried to make shortstops on par with people like Mike Davis, Shawn Putnam, etc.
They're NOT. They're quite a few levels below those guys.
Russ
Actually, I said it all pretty objectively in that original post
FLICKit said:
ioCross said:
No it doesn't.
I could offer Efren or Shane the 7 and the last 3. All it would prove is that
A. I'm stupid
or
B. I have WAY too much ego.
or
C. I hate my money.
If it is true that Tony Watson spotted her that and got beat, all it really proves is that Tony had too much ego, and perhaps not enough respect for the play of Allison.
Furthermore, at professional levels of play, the 7 and the last three is not much weight at all. The 7 is not going to be comboed very often, and however little you think of Allison, she CAN run three fookin' balls.
If she gets to the 7, she's normally going to be out, anyways.Russ
Russ Chewning said:So, at a minimum, you are saying Allison strung 4 racks in a row on the way to a 5-1 lead? This is what I am getting from the above.
And playing a woman who makes a bad enough mistake to lose a game outright on that inning is entirely different from playing someone like Archer. Very rarely is Archer going to miss an open ball the way the women will. A mistake for him is leaving the table, and his opponent can SEE the 1 ball...
Then again, Karen and Allison beating up on shortstops to win regional tournaments illustrates quite nicely how HUGE a difference there is between shortstops and the top male players.
For some reason, people on here have tried to make shortstops on par with people like Mike Davis, Shawn Putnam, etc.
They're NOT. They're quite a few levels below those guys.
Russ
Russ, that implies that you have data on the "dog" ratio of the men vs. Alli or Karen. If you do, I would certainly like to see the data.
Or how about Accu-Stat ratings? Do you have them to support your statement?
I don't mean to be argumentative...it's just that there are an awful lot of unsubstantiated theories being bandied about in this thread.
Regards,
Jim
Russ Chewning said:No it doesn't.
I could offer Efren or Shane the 7 and the last 3. All it would prove is that
A. I'm stupid
or
B. I have WAY too much ego.
or
C. I hate my money.
If it is true that Tony Watson spotted her that and got beat, all it really proves is that Tony had too much ego, and perhaps not enough respect for the play of Allison.
Furthermore, at professional levels of play, the 7 and the last three is not much weight at all. The 7 is not going to be comboed very often, and however little you think of Allison, she CAN run three fookin' balls.
Russ
Russ, good point. The spot is really the 7, because the last three doesn't help her much. It's about like getting the 7 with the 8 safe.
Now make that the last four, and it's a much bigger spot.
Russ, the seven and the last three is a lot of weight at any level. You get a little out of line on the three and the decision to fire or play safe is totally different. If the seven, eight, or nine gets tied up? Think about it.Russ Chewning said:No it doesn't.
I could offer Efren or Shane the 7 and the last 3. All it would prove is that
A. I'm stupid
or
B. I have WAY too much ego.
or
C. I hate my money.
If it is true that Tony Watson spotted her that and got beat, all it really proves is that Tony had too much ego, and perhaps not enough respect for the play of Allison.
Furthermore, at professional levels of play, the 7 and the last three is not much weight at all. The 7 is not going to be comboed very often, and however little you think of Allison, she CAN run three fookin' balls.
Russ
By the way, whoever said they don't believe Chewy beat Allison, pm me and I'll give you some phone numbers to call and verify that.
If I am not mistaken, the women's tour plays on 4 1/2" pockets, which certainly are not buckets, and I thought were the IPT standard also.
I watch a lot of pool (as I am sure most of you do), and I can not see any male consistenetly beating allison fisher by 40 games in a race to 100, especially if it is alternate break, which is the only real even way to play it IMO.
I agree that after the top 4 or so female players, the talent really seems to go down a level. I do think the top 4-5 femlae players can hang with the men though. I thought Karen Corr also beat Earl at an IPT event.
I watch a lot of pool (as I am sure most of you do), and I can not see any male consistenetly beating allison fisher by 40 games in a race to 100, especially if it is alternate break, which is the only real even way to play it IMO.
I agree that after the top 4 or so female players, the talent really seems to go down a level. I do think the top 4-5 femlae players can hang with the men though. I thought Karen Corr also beat Earl at an IPT event.
Corr beat Johnny