Keith McCready: Toughest Gamblers Ever

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Toughest gambler? Let's see. That's hard to say. Billy Incardona is a pretty shrewd businessman. Bucktooth is another one. There's guys that are good guys to gamble with. There's a lot of those. I can't name them all, but as far as the tougher ones, those two top my list.

This was buried in another thread so I thought I'd post it. This is Keither w/ the Ether's answer as to who he thought the toughest gamblers were. Billy is probably not a huge surprise to many.... but I thought I'd pull your attention to the Tooth.

I know the Tooth isn't the most loved person on this forum, and he's our whippin' boy in many occasions... many times called a locksmith and nit and asking for whale-weight cause he can't play. Just thought I'd make this a main post for those who rely on AZB for historical info--- not the barking that isn't always accurate.

I know it breaks many of your hearts to hear this, but Tooth was a PLAYER at one time, folks. I'm sure he can still pop them OK even with his coke bottle glasses (in case you're a B player looking to make a score). Anyways, just thought I'd post this out in the open so those who think the Tooth is a nit can show him a LITTLE respect. Just because Fatboy dropped the anvil on his head doesn't mean he's a nit. :)
 
kinda interesting

Kinda interesting that the two toughest gamblers Keith named are one of the most respected posters on this forum and one of the least respected.

I have always laughed about the difference between a shrewd game maker and a nit. If we ourselves make good games consistently we are shrewd game makers. If someone else does it they are a nit! :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:

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SpiderWebComm said:
This was buried in another thread so I thought I'd post it. This is Keither w/ the Ether's answer as to who he thought the toughest gamblers were. Billy is probably not a huge surprise to many.... but I thought I'd pull your attention to the Tooth.

I know the Tooth isn't the most loved person on this forum, and he's our whippin' boy in many occasions... many times called a locksmith and nit and asking for whale-weight cause he can't play. Just thought I'd make this a main post for those who rely on AZB for historical info--- not the barking that isn't always accurate.

I know it breaks many of your hearts to hear this, but Tooth was a PLAYER at one time, folks. I'm sure he can still pop them OK even with his coke bottle glasses (in case you're a B player looking to make a score). Anyways, just thought I'd post this out in the open so those who think the Tooth is a nit can show him a LITTLE respect. Just because Fatboy dropped the anvil on his head doesn't mean he's a nit. :)

Let me add a little more. The toughest ones to beat out of any money that I've run across are Billy Incardona and Bucktooth. The reason being is they were tough as nails to match up with.

Bucktooth especially was difficult to get down, but if you could get his nose open, he would go off. I only beat him one time. I had to quit him winner because he's such a nice guy, if you know what I mean. LOL. And then he found a way, his way, to come back and beat me out of a little something. He is a hard campaigner to deal with, but if you can take the worst of it, you will go ahead and win yourself a nice little package.

As far as good guys to gamble with, Eddie Burton, Cole Dixon, Wade Crane, Richie Florence, they all used to stack it up.

Grady Mathews has always been fair to gamble with because he would take a game and bet you as high as you can fly. That's the one thing I always liked about Grady.

Harry Platis is another one who I would consider a good man to gamble with. He has no fear and would play anybody for whatever they had, as long as they gave him a semi chance to win.

I cannot forget Mark Bitore who put pool players in action annually around the country. One thing about Mark, if you beat one of his guys, there would be another one standing in line to play you. He moved them in and out like a coach, and you could bet until your arms fall off. One time I was broke over there in Dallas, and he staked me over the phone for 2,000to play Lizard one-pocket even. I beat him in 30 minutes, 5 ahead.

Bookmaker Rodney from Houston comes to mind, but he's all done playing now. Weldon Rogers is another sniper. Let's not forget about Harley from Jacksonville, Cornbread Red in Detroit. These are just a few action men I can think of offhand, but today some people might not know these names.

There's a lot of players that were hard to beat and hard to gamble with. Larry Hubbart and Mike Sigel were tough to beat. I believe I was the only one that ever beat them out of any money when they were traveling on the road. They didn't book too many losers.

As far as people gambling today, I think that it has sort of gone out the window. It's nothing like it was in the '70s. The '70s could give pool the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and the break as far as gambling, and you can take it for what it's worth. It will never, ever be like it was back then.
 
Thanks Keith for the insight into your match ups and the real world of pool as it was back then. It is nice to hear a real opinion based on facts as you lived it and not on speculation. Too much of who could beat who from know it all nobodys and all their heresay. You were a warrior and fought many battles and you aren't afraid to tell of the ones you lost! Thanks for the post.
 
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These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.
 
Keith McCready said:
As far as people gambling today, I think that it has sort of gone out the window. It's nothing like it was in the '70s. The '70s could give pool the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and the break as far as gambling, and you can take it for what it's worth. It will never, ever be like it was back then.

I agree and probably everyone else too. I truly think the leagues hurt the gambler/hustler as well as all the videos, books, and the internet.

There is just so much knowledge about the game and the players. You have give so much to get a game. You just can't outrun the odds forever. If you matched up even with everyone you played, at the end of the year your probably going to be even!

Progress or change never stops. For pool to survive in any substancial way, the game must adapt.
 
Joe Rogan said:
These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.

Great Idea Joe and I think the TAR guys are just the ones to do it.
 
I think TAR has done some stuff with Shane and some others,its a really good idea.I like what propoolvideo.com has done with interviewing Billy,Buddy and Jimmy Caras,we need to get this stuff recorded,its really good stuff.I want to see an in depth interview with Earl,Keith,and perhaps even Willies widow who I have spoken with Flora Mosconi. :)
 
Keith McCready said:
Let me add a little more. The toughest ones to beat out of any money that I've run across are Billy Incardona and Bucktooth. The reason being is they were tough as nails to match up with.

Bucktooth especially was difficult to get down, but if you could get his nose open, he would go off. I only beat him one time. I had to quit him winner because he's such a nice guy, if you know what I mean. LOL. And then he found a way, his way, to come back and beat me out of a little something. He is a hard campaigner to deal with, but if you can take the worst of it, you will go ahead and win yourself a nice little package.

As far as good guys to gamble with, Eddie Burton, Cole Dixon, Wade Crane, Richie Florence, they all used to stack it up.

Grady Mathews has always been fair to gamble with because he would take a game and bet you as high as you can fly. That's the one thing I always liked about Grady.

Harry Platis is another one who I would consider a good man to gamble with. He has no fear and would play anybody for whatever they had, as long as they gave him a semi chance to win.

I cannot forget Mark Bitore who put pool players in action annually around the country. One thing about Mark, if you beat one of his guys, there would be another one standing in line to play you. He moved them in and out like a coach, and you could bet until your arms fall off. One time I was broke over there in Dallas, and he staked me over the phone for 2,000to play Lizard one-pocket even. I beat him in 30 minutes, 5 ahead.

Bookmaker Rodney from Houston comes to mind, but he's all done playing now. Weldon Rogers is another sniper. Let's not forget about Harley from Jacksonville, Cornbread Red in Detroit. These are just a few action men I can think of offhand, but today some people might not know these names.

There's a lot of players that were hard to beat and hard to gamble with. Larry Hubbart and Mike Sigel were tough to beat. I believe I was the only one that ever beat them out of any money when they were traveling on the road. They didn't book too many losers.

As far as people gambling today, I think that it has sort of gone out the window. It's nothing like it was in the '70s. The '70s could give pool the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and the break as far as gambling, and you can take it for what it's worth. It will never, ever be like it was back then.

The Rodney from Houston is Rodney Stevens. He still plays a little but is up in years, like 75 or 76.

I had him stuck good a couple of years ago and he battled back running 8 and out 4 games in a row. I was sick but had to pull up.
 
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Joe Rogan said:
These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.

wouldn't be great if they could do a show where they did reenactments of great road stories and have the people in question do the narrating and set up.

joe,are you a kaman fan or a hoost fan?
 
Joe Rogan said:
These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.

right on Joe!..

when I was living down in FLA they had a local cable show about fishing, and they would bring out the local buddies to tell lies about lunker bass, and tell stories on other old tyme Pros. I COULD NOT turn the channel when that show was on.....I don't even fish!:D

G.
 
Joe Rogan said:
These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.

How about a round table with four or five players from the past and present. Like the boxing round table, only with players, not writers and sportswriters. Johnnyt
 
Runout Radio has several good interviews.

There are a couple other sites as well... I think...

I know I downloaded a KM interview. Still on my desktop... I think I got that one from runoutradio...
 
Keith, what would you say has happened that the pool gambling no longer is like what it was in the 70s?
 
Joe Rogan said:
These are great stories, Keith. Thank you for sharing them with us.
Pool really needs some sort of an interview show where guys like Keith and Buddy Hall can sit down and tell some of the great stories they've accumulated over the years. Maybe something online with the action report.
I would love to see something along those lines.


I agree... its a real disappointment that there is not. In a couple other sports they have brought together some of the past champions and interesting/popular figures for a group interview and storytelling session.
Its an awesome format and really should be done not only for profit but to preserve a bit of Billiards history.


This is what I am talking about .... http://www.sportsreunion.net/


Joe-- Its some of the older road dogs that tell some amazing stories. I used to listen to Junior Goff tell some great zingers and little things that we would never learn without their personally being there. Johnson City stories from guy that were there would be great.
I also spent a little time with Minnesota Fats and Eddie Taylor. Both were older but had great stories, wisdom and Taylor could still play.

Jack White is another great story teller as are some lesser known guys like Dean Moore.

I wish this type DVD would be made and sold or it be made for secure internet viewing.
 
road stories.....

How about we just get the guys at AZBilliards to create a section devoted to the days of old', where players of yester-year can tell their road stories for all to read and join in....I think it would be the most popular thread....whadda you think?

That would be entertaining to say the least....

-R
 
uwate said:
Keith, what would you say has happened that the pool gambling no longer is like what it was in the 70s?

1. Gas prices. Too expensive to drive long distances.

2. Hotel prices. Too expensive to sleep.

3. Information exchange on player speeds has gotten MUCH more efficient. Cell phones and the internet make it easy to get a player identified from a picture within minutes, and an exact speed measurement. This kills games.

4. Cost of living as a whole has gone up. People cannot survive on the road without with a minimum of $100 a day. In Keith's day, you could probably survive on $40-$50 a day, and be doing okay.

That's about it. Anyone, feel free to put in anything I missed.

Russ
 
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