Lies about Derby City

A little OT but wasn't the DCC always in Kentucky and got it's name from the Kentucky Derby? Is this a new venue or was it held in this same casino last year? Or has it always been there?
 
jay helfert said:
The word is to be DISCREET with your gambling, meaning no money on the lights, no money thrown on the table, no yelling about bets, etc. Yes, you can make a side bet, just make it quietly without yelling across the room. You can also exchange money on the sidelines, but do so without fanfare.

Anybody who has gambled at pool knows what we're talking about here. Sometimes you just have to tone it down a little, and this is one of those times. Yes, it may be a little quieter this year, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are no "rules" to govern this type a thing. It is more a matter of using common sense.
Just to be safe to make sure you aren't trying to gamble with an undercover badge it will be best to make sure he knows the secret handshake.

I would pay money to see a video of Fats when he was testifying in court after he got busted at Johnston City. They probably dropped charges just to get him to shut up.
 
nfty9er said:
You are right about 2 people gambling on skill, however when it comes to allowing gambling on card games in a pool hall, you better think again. No matter how you attempt to circumvent the law if you make even a nickel as a direct result of the card game, you are illegal. Sell a coke, u lose, rent the table u lose, sell a beer, chips, candy you lose. They consider all of that profit to you. I have checked in this for the last 10 years trying to get on the poker bandwagon but there is no way around it. New license, forget it, they have a moratorium until at least 2015, recently raised from 2011. Be on Indian land, no problem. It is a joke.
Bars in Ontario Canada get around this by giving players a $11 coupon for the bar if they pay $10 and play in the poker tournament. Right on the coupon it says you are not required to buy one to play. If you have a good supportive group of players they will all buy coupons anyway without you having to say it's mandetory. Plus they are getting a free dollar but money is being spent in your bar.

Just a thought.
 
cuechick said:
A little OT but wasn't the DCC always in Kentucky and got it's name from the Kentucky Derby? Is this a new venue or was it held in this same casino last year? Or has it always been there?
For the past ten years it's been held at the Executive West in Louisville. This is its first year at the Horseshoe Casino, which is in nearby Elizabeth, Indiana.
 
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you do have to have a card room license....

nfty9er said:
You are right about 2 people gambling on skill, however when it comes to allowing gambling on card games in a pool hall, you better think again. No matter how you attempt to circumvent the law if you make even a nickel as a direct result of the card game, you are illegal. Sell a coke, u lose, rent the table u lose, sell a beer, chips, candy you lose. They consider all of that profit to you. I have checked in this for the last 10 years trying to get on the poker bandwagon but there is no way around it. New license, forget it, they have a moratorium until at least 2015, recently raised from 2011. Be on Indian land, no problem. It is a joke.

In order to be able to have a card room you have to have a card room license. you are correct. But gambling is perfectly legal in California on a game of skill.

Jaden
 
Dropped charges!!?

alstl said:
Just to be safe to make sure you aren't trying to gamble with an undercover badge it will be best to make sure he knows the secret handshake.

I would pay money to see a video of Fats when he was testifying in court after he got busted at Johnston City. They probably dropped charges just to get him to shut up.

Dropped charges? You kidding? After Fats got through with his spiel, the whole grand jury cornered him in the hallway and made him sign autographs. True story.

the Beard
 
jay helfert said:
The word is to be DISCREET with your gambling, meaning no money on the lights, no money thrown on the table, no yelling about bets, etc. Yes, you can make a side bet, just make it quietly without yelling across the room. You can also exchange money on the sidelines, but do so without fanfare.

Anybody who has gambled at pool knows what we're talking about here. Sometimes you just have to tone it down a little, and this is one of those times. Yes, it may be a little quieter this year, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are no "rules" to govern this type a thing. It is more a matter of using common sense.

This was the way where I played in NYS for over 20 years. With money on the table and people yelling about it, the woman owner would have a coronary!
 
Johnnyt said:
Here's how my luck goes. When I was about 20 a cop stopped me for loud glass packs. It was a chicken sh** ticket. I told him if he took his gun off and took his shirt off we could go in back of thr billboard and get it on. Well he did. I figured I'd been boxing at 130 lbs for a few years and and had a good record of 3-1, he only weighed about 150.

He used my body as the heavy bag and my head as the speed bag. When I finally went down I stayed there (a first for me). I found out much too late that he was the champ in 156 lbs in the police dept in the Northeast. Johnnyt

LoL ahahaa for some reason I got reminded of this hilarious video VIDEO
 
jay helfert said:
The word is to be DISCREET with your gambling, meaning no money on the lights, no money thrown on the table, no yelling about bets, etc. Yes, you can make a side bet, just make it quietly without yelling across the room. You can also exchange money on the sidelines, but do so without fanfare.

Anybody who has gambled at pool knows what we're talking about here. Sometimes you just have to tone it down a little, and this is one of those times. Yes, it may be a little quieter this year, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are no "rules" to govern this type a thing. It is more a matter of using common sense.

I hate to be negative here, but this in itself will contribute to a decline of action. In years past, the woofing and discussion amongst players about action has been exactly what people loved about DCC. If SVB was playing Alex, anybody could easily shout, "I want to bet 500 on SVB!" and there was immediate correspondence. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the discretion will eventually cause too many people to give up on getting action on matches and walk right into the casino. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be there the first weekend to see how it goes. Good luck to all that are going and participating.
 
Betting...

From what I understand the law in Kentucky is that you can bet all you want on yourself, but you can't bet on the skill of someone else. Technically the calcutta's are on the fringe but the way it is seen someone buy's you then you buy yourself back then sell them half, if you want to get really technical about it. But being in Indiana which is full of Bingo, slot machines, and whatever they probably don't even have any laws of the such. You DO know that the birds fly upside down over Indiana don't you?
 
gunzby said:
LoL ahahaa for some reason I got reminded of this hilarious video VIDEO

Yeah that's me. My luck with the cop happened again two more time. I called out who I thought was a nerd in shorts (no one was ever caught in shorts in my gang of friends. Anyhow it was at a boardwalk bar in Long Beach, Long Island. We went under the boardwalk and he about killed me. He was a NY Golden Gloves finalist.

The other time was in the Army in Alaska. I saw a sign on the gym corkboard that if you joined the boxing team you didn't have to spend 30 days in the field (war games and tents) in Feb. I figured, "who the hell was going to be a good boxer up here". For my 6th fight I was put in with the Texas AAU champ, 144-0.

He didn't knock me down but I was *issing blood for two days after the fight. In my small mind I thought he didn't want to knock me out, he just wanted to hurt me bad. The next time I was off post in Fairbanks I found him in a bar and beat hell out of him with a chrome barstool. And then the MP's came. That's another story. Johnnyt
 
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Johnnyt said:
Yeah that's me. My luck with the cop happened again two more time. I called out who I thought was a nerd in shorts (no one was ever caught in shorts in my gang of friends. Anyhow it was at a boardwalk bar in ong Beach, Long Island. We went under the boardwalk and he about killed me.

The other time was in the Army in Alaska. I saw a sign on the gym corkboard that if you joined the boxing team you didn't have to spend 30 days in the field (war games and tents) in Feb. I figured, "who the hell was going to be a good boxer up here". For my 6th fight I was put in with the Texas AAU champ, 144-0.

He didn't knock me down but I was *issing blood for two days after the fight. In my small mind I thought he didn't want to knock me out, he just wanted to hurt me bad. The next time I was off post in Fairbanks I found him in a bar and beat hell out of him with a chrome barstool. And then the MP's came. That's another story. Johnnyt

I remember hearing a story from a friend of mine while he was in prison. He said some guy walked by and the guy sitting with my friend said that guy is gay and was talking about him saying that he was cute. My buddy gets all mad and ends up getting into a fight with him where the gay guy effectively beats the snot out of him landing my buddy in the hospital.

The guy who was sitting with him at the start of all this walks up to his hospital bed and says "I told ya he was gay, but I forgot to tell ya that he is also a Gold Glove Champ." That story always made me laugh.
 
Dcc

Just left the Casino. All tables are in the building and many lights have been hung...Everything is looking very good as we're ahead of schedule.

Thought I would give a short reply to this post.

I realize everyones concerns and here's how I see it. I don't expect many changes from past DCC's regarding action other than those due to the economy...In the past, pool action in Casino's was stopped because the Casino wanted you playing on their tables not pool tables. Times have changed and the Horseshoe is content with making money on rooms, food, beverages and now feel they will get their share of people playing on their tables without the need to restrict people from playing on pool tables....They are well aware that the pool tables will be open 24/7 and have make arrangements to keep us safe, warm and well fed.

I don't feel that players need to refrain from woofing...I would in a nutshell "protect the money". Use common sense and we'll all have a great time......Greg
 
Greg/Diamond said:
Just left the Casino. All tables are in the building and many lights have been hung...Everything is looking very good as we're ahead of schedule.

Thought I would give a short reply to this post.

I realize everyones concerns and here's how I see it. I don't expect many changes from past DCC's regarding action other than those due to the economy...In the past, pool action in Casino's was stopped because the Casino wanted you playing on their tables not pool tables. Times have changed and the Horseshoe is content with making money on rooms, food, beverages and now feel they will get their share of people playing on their tables without the need to restrict people from playing on pool tables....They are well aware that the pool tables will be open 24/7 and have make arrangements to keep us safe, warm and well fed.

I don't feel that players need to refrain from woofing...I would in a nutshell "protect the money". Use common sense and we'll all have a great time......Greg


Great post Greg. Thanks for taking the time to update us. Let's all make sure this year's DCC is the best ever, and defy the naysayers!
 
Greg/Diamond said:
Just left the Casino. All tables are in the building and many lights have been hung...Everything is looking very good as we're ahead of schedule.

Thought I would give a short reply to this post.

I realize everyones concerns and here's how I see it. I don't expect many changes from past DCC's regarding action other than those due to the economy...In the past, pool action in Casino's was stopped because the Casino wanted you playing on their tables not pool tables. Times have changed and the Horseshoe is content with making money on rooms, food, beverages and now feel they will get their share of people playing on their tables without the need to restrict people from playing on pool tables....They are well aware that the pool tables will be open 24/7 and have make arrangements to keep us safe, warm and well fed.

I don't feel that players need to refrain from woofing...I would in a nutshell "protect the money". Use common sense and we'll all have a great time......Greg

In that case, you want to play some Banks sucker? :grin-square:
 
Fatboy said:
all good pool rooms have a "No Gambling Allowed" sign, Ames did remember???

Yeah, and countless poolhalls have a "no masse shots" sign. In forty plus years around poolrooms, I must admit I've never seen anyone ejected for playing a masse shot.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I've never been to DCC, but I've been to Valley Forge Expo almost every year. I am assuming they are similar...

In VF, there is the main money table, and a group of 100 people surrounding the table screaming side bets. This is for the normal 100 per game king of the hill format that anyone can put their name on a list to join.

When a game gets formed between two individuals, the crowd around their table is even bigger. The side bets are bigger. And the money is all counted out on the table and posted on the light during the negotiation phase.

Is this how DCC was in the past years? And is this the type of behavior that will now be frowned upon? I think that is still unclear from all the posts by those in the know.

Is side betting allowed period? If it is, how discreet does it have to be? Can no money be posted on the light? Can no group surround a table and make side bets amongst themselves, or with the players' backers?

These are the questions that are unclear to me. Maybe they will only be answered by being tested at the actual DCC. But all the posts so far have been vague to me as to exactly what is and what is not allowed.
"The Pit" in VF (nor anything else at VF) is like the DCC. I don't know if there are pool rooms in the VF area that have an action pit like VF but I can say that I've never seen that at any other tournament or pool room for that matter.

Have you ever walked into a pool room and seen one or two tables going with players matched up & a few folks sitting along the rail sweating the games? Multiply that scenario by 10 (at least). There were something like 8 to 10 tables in the action room at derby and there was anything from cheap action to high dollar action going on at each table and chairs were along every wall with people sweating the action.

As is generally customary with gambling, the money was put on the light for safe keeping. No one can get to it easily because it would be obvious to everyone if someone were to reach up and try to take some of it. Another scenario is having a mutual party (someone both players agree upon) to hold the post money.

What Greg and everyone else is saying is... don't post the money on the light, keep it in your pockets or find a mutual person to hold the stakes. JCIN used to have a pic of of a lot of money spread out on the table as the stakes and side bets were dispersed after the set was finished. This too is not a good idea.

There's nothing wrong or illegal about woofing and I don't see any reason why people should think they can't woof up games like they always do. All people need to do is be discreet when exchanging money & where the post money is kept.

Greg said it best;

Greg/Diamond said:
I don't feel that players need to refrain from woofing...I would in a nutshell "protect the money". Use common sense and we'll all have a great time......Greg
 
sjm said:
Yeah, and countless poolhalls have a "no masse shots" sign. In forty plus years around poolrooms, I must admit I've never seen anyone ejected for playing a masse shot.

You must have been playing hookey in elementary school. Bad boy! :wink:
 
jay helfert said:
The word is to be DISCREET with your gambling, meaning no money on the lights, no money thrown on the table, no yelling about bets, etc. Yes, you can make a side bet, just make it quietly without yelling across the room. You can also exchange money on the sidelines, but do so without fanfare.

Anybody who has gambled at pool knows what we're talking about here. Sometimes you just have to tone it down a little, and this is one of those times. Yes, it may be a little quieter this year, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are no "rules" to govern this type a thing. It is more a matter of using common sense.
Read this and understand....
 
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