Long overdue

Mates, I don't see any point of this talk here. Every third post says " Is he now on the list?" or "I hope he is now on the list" and so on. Grady Mattews made an official apology towards Charlie Williams and Dragon Promotions, he didn't ask for anything more and obviously he doesn't wish to continue this thread. The goal here is that Charlie Williams and DP will see his apology and then take the right decision. Stop speculating and go practicing on the table, it will be more useful ;)
 
Could it be that maybe he's been having some private conversations with people who are in a better position to help resolve the situation or even that he is just tired of the negativity.

Grady has done a lot in pool and for pool. He has also been one of the folks in pool who is very very very outspoken when he thinks that something is wrong. As such there are plenty of folks who don't like him despite his accomplishments.

Who knows why Grady is offering an apology. I don't call it flip-flopping - I hate that term personally.

We see it all the time though that one group is critical of another and then later they announce that they are now partners. Companies, politicians, countries, and now, thanks to the internet, individuals, all play out their grievances in public to stir up public frenzy and win supporters to their cause. Sometimes this results in public pressure to bring the other side to the table. I doubt that this is the case here but perhaps they are talking and working something out.

In any event, there is the hope that it produces something positive.

Thanks for your input. I've only seen him here and there at different tournaments over the years - I've never spoken to the man, so I'm in no position to judge him. I can only take my best guess about his personality based on the posts I've read.

I'm going to leave this topic alone for now...lol. If he was somehow invited after all of this hoopla....all I can say is, I hope he plays well.
 
Mates, I don't see any point of this talk here. Every third post says " Is he now on the list?" or "I hope he is now on the list" and so on. Grady Mattews made an official apology towards Charlie Williams and Dragon Promotions, he didn't ask for anything more and obviously he doesn't wish to continue this thread. The goal here is that Charlie Williams and DP will see his apology and then take the right decision. Stop speculating and go practicing on the table, it will be more useful ;)

Good advice, mate :D
 
I think the goal of this thread is to apologize. I hope the apology did not come with any expectations. If there were expectations then it's just not a true apology. An apology, a true apology, comes when one really believes he/she has done something wrong. If there are expectations behind the apology then it's just game playing.

I think Grady is just apologizing. No expectations.
 
All the things you said that doesn't define a sport does.Big paychecks endorsements mean success in that sport and mean there's a demand to watch it by the public.To find large companys to endorse pool is like pulling teeth.

I'm not one to get into anyone elses arguments BUT, at one time Pocket Billiards was considered a sport by the International Olympic Commitee (yes, it was an Olympic SPORT). I can't recall what year it was but you can certainly look it up if you wish.

Maniac
 
When a legend voices his displeaure with a promotor, I think we all listen. When he starts bashing the promotor and posters, some become deaf. It appears you are taking the high road and we should all listen and follow the great example.

I have to ask, what does Grady do faster, run 100 balls or get multiple page threads?
 
I think the goal of this thread is to apologize. I hope the apology did not come with any expectations. If there were expectations then it's just not a true apology. An apology, a true apology, comes when one really believes he/she has done something wrong. If there are expectations behind the apology then it's just game playing.

I think Grady is just apologizing. No expectations.


Jim, we are buddies but......I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I would like to sell you. Cheap.
 
Every walk of life from pro "stars" like NFL players to doctors to people in whatever part of life you're living in, has POS, scum bag, criminal, no class, 'coo-coos". Just look in the mirror, you'll see one.

This was in response to this:
Originally Posted by taxi man
Pool will never get it's true respect because it draws more coo-coos than any sport ever.There's just to many people with no class that play this game.

Pool just doesn't have the fan/player barrier that other sports have. You get to see a lot more character in pool whether you like it or not.

I wish you well Grady.
 
Look, for those that can't read between the lines; apparently Grady got the invite to the World 14.1 event.

What is highly annoying and sad is reading multiple posts from Grady whining, complaining and generally acting like a 5 year old to get an invite to the event. It's disrespectful to everyone else on the forum and honestly, has really changed the respect I used to have for Grady.

That said; Grady, you have your chance, now. Go to NJ and show everyone your best game and prove that you belong in this event.


Eric
 
Look, for those that can't read between the lines; apparently Grady got the invite to the World 14.1 event.

What is highly annoying and sad is reading multiple posts from Grady whining, complaining and generally acting like a 5 year old to get an invite to the event. It's disrespectful to everyone else on the forum and honestly, has really changed the respect I used to have for Grady.

That said; Grady, you have your chance, now. Go to NJ and show everyone your best game and prove that you belong in this event.


Eric

"The squeaky wheel gets the grease". Personally I find that FOUR YEARS of complaining on a public forum that finally gets an invite is a lot of work and an affront to Grady's dignity.

Perhaps, just maybe, Charlie might have considered the fan's perspective on this.

One thing is fairly certain. If Grady had not brought his complaints here then he would probably still be without a spot.

Why shouldn't Grady have fought for what he wants? Respect you used to have? So now you have none and it's ok to call your former idol a whiner and a five year old?

You're as bad as Shawn.

Belittle a guy for fighting for what he wants and then belittle him for getting it and mending fences. Real classy.
 
And since Grady brought his complaints here for 4 years then we all have a right to our opinion on his flip flop - whether you like that term or not.

Also, Eric didn't say he had no respect for Grady - just lost respect for him.

Finally, if Charlie did listen to what the fans wanted - it is Charlie that should have come on here and apologized for Grady not being invited the last 4 years. And should have apologized for letting his own personal feelings get in the way for what is truly good for the sport he loves. But he has not done that nor has he accepted Grady's flip flop.
 
if you don't see a difference between a real pro sport like football and pool then you deserve the best parking in the world because you must be retarded.tell me how many pool players have made a million dollars this year?can't compare real sports and pool,just not the same grade of people.:smile:


money and sport have no relation....that's a retarted assumption

g.g.
 
If you think pool is even in the same realm as football hockey tennis golf boxing etc than this I feel bad debating this with the mentally weak.I ask again how many pool players made a million this year or last?How many in a multisport magazine not just a billiard magazine or better yet how many inductees in any type of sports hall of fame?C'mon lets keep it real.:smile:

There might be some truth in the things you've said in this thread, but is that any way to say them?

Roger
 
And since Grady brought his complaints here for 4 years then we all have a right to our opinion on his flip flop - whether you like that term or not.

Also, Eric didn't say he had no respect for Grady - just lost respect for him.

Finally, if Charlie did listen to what the fans wanted - it is Charlie that should have come on here and apologized for Grady not being invited the last 4 years. And should have apologized for letting his own personal feelings get in the way for what is truly good for the sport he loves. But he has not done that nor has he accepted Grady's flip flop.

I think we all know that Charlie will never come here and apologize for anything.

Sure you can have an opinion on Grady's stance no matter what it is. My only point is that it's pretty crappy to use name calling to express that opinon. I am sure Eric is intelligent and cognizant enough to have been able to express his displeasure without calling Grady a whiner and a five year old. So it was a deliberate slap in the face to do so.

Hopefully Grady will draw Shanelle Lorraine and get a first round bye.

Although it's NOT CONFIRMED that Grady has a spot even if Eric thinks that is what he is reading between the lines.

Why does everything have to be black and white all the time?
 
Just 1 question

If you think pool is even in the same realm as football hockey tennis golf boxing etc than this I feel bad debating this with the mentally weak.I ask again how many pool players made a million this year or last?How many in a multisport magazine not just a billiard magazine or better yet how many inductees in any type of sports hall of fame?C'mon lets keep it real.:smile:

Ummmm...You seem to really stick behind your point...nothing wrong with having a lil conviction...But this is a pool forum...I'm sure there are many football forums...tennis forums..boxing forums where many feel the same way as you & u would be 1 of the boys...You are just looking to get a rise out of people...Why not just go to church this sunday & walk up & take the podeum & annouce that you just LOVE SATAN !!!! I'm sure you can get the same result you looking for IMO.

ps...My question is why not go to a different forum where you would fit in better ?
 
This is the funniest thing I have read in a while!!!!!!!!LOL

If you think pool is even in the same realm as football hockey tennis golf boxing etc than this I feel bad debating this with the mentally weak.I ask again how many pool players made a million this year or last?How many in a multisport magazine not just a billiard magazine or better yet how many inductees in any type of sports hall of fame?C'mon lets keep it real.:smile:

This is the funniest thing I've read in a long loongg time....

Every one of the aforementioned sports at one time took a second seat to billiards.

The reason billiards doesn't have what many of the other sports has is simple. A lack of corporate sponsorship due to various reasons.

The Camel pro tour started to bring billiards back to respectability, and the reason that it was ended had more to do with legislation passed to limit the advertising of cigarettes than anything else.

Pool will get there, it just may take some time.

Football players didn't receive a lot of accolades or Money for a lonnnggg time.

It was the same with every other sport as well.

billiards will find it's way.

just give it time.

Jaden
 
This is the funniest thing I've read in a long loongg time....

Every one of the aforementioned sports at one time took a second seat to billiards.

The reason billiards doesn't have what many of the other sports has is simple. A lack of corporate sponsorship due to various reasons.

The Camel pro tour started to bring billiards back to respectability, and the reason that it was ended had more to do with legislation passed to limit the advertising of cigarettes than anything else.

Pool will get there, it just may take some time.

Football players didn't receive a lot of accolades or Money for a lonnnggg time.

It was the same with every other sport as well.

billiards will find it's way.

just give it time.

Jaden

What's the over/under on this? I'll take the under.
 
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease". Personally I find that FOUR YEARS of complaining on a public forum that finally gets an invite is a lot of work and an affront to Grady's dignity.

Perhaps, just maybe, Charlie might have considered the fan's perspective on this.

One thing is fairly certain. If Grady had not brought his complaints here then he would probably still be without a spot.

Why shouldn't Grady have fought for what he wants? Respect you used to have? So now you have none and it's ok to call your former idol a whiner and a five year old?

You're as bad as Shawn.

Belittle a guy for fighting for what he wants and then belittle him for getting it and mending fences. Real classy.

Misinterpretation, spin and a difference of opinion; which isn't "more right", just another view point.

No sense responding to this any further.


Eric
 
Also, Eric didn't say he had no respect for Grady - just lost respect for him.

.

Hallelujah. Someone that reads, without adding things that aren't there.

FWIW, I think highly of Grady's knowledge of the game. Although his skills are a shadow of his former self, the knowledge is still there. Though not my "idol", I've always respected his know how.

Grady's personality and childish, whiny sense of entitlement leaves a lot to be desired, though.


Eric
 
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