Maybe Bonus Ball Should Have Approached a Casino

[watchez]

Look at what bowling just got. Maybe Bonus Ball should have done some knocking on some doors before they invested 2 million into their own 12,000 square foot facility. This also fits the Bonus Ball business model as South Point is off the strip.

And maybe the Behrman's should look into using a website such as this so they can find a suitable location for the US Open since they struggle to do so.

Of course it probably helps that bowling actually has a national organization.

http://planyourmeetings.com/2013/04/30/vegas-south-point-scores-12-year-deal-with-u-s-bowling/

No gutter balls here!

The U.S. Bowling Congress, South Point Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas Events, and the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority announced Tuesday a 12-year deal for annual bowling events through the year 2023.

The USBC Open Championships and the USBC Women’s Championships will be held throughout Las Vegas and in a new $30 million facility at South Point starting later this year.

Women’s Championships will be held at South Point in 2016, 2020 and 2022. Open Championships will be held there in 2017, 2019, 2021 and 2023. More than 40 additional tournaments, conventions and short-term events will take place throughout Las Vegas during the agreement. These include the USBC Masters, Queens and Senior Masters tourneys, and the Team USA trials.

Construction on the new South Point bowling center is scheduled to begin in May. It will include more than 60 high-tech lanes, a tourney registration area, bowlers’ squad room and locker facilities, among other amenities.

For an idea of the economic impact of the deal, consider the USBC Open Championships held at Las Vegas’ Cashman Center in 2009. A total of 17,200 teams competed for 154 consecutive days. Attendance for bowlers and their travel parties was estimated at 292,750 people, with an average room stay of 4.3 nights and a non-gaming economic impact of more than $120 million.

South Point Hotel, Casino & Spa has 2,200 guest rooms, a 165,000-sq. ft. convention center, top-of-the-line gaming technology, a 400-seat showroom for live entertainment and more.

 

[spanky79]

Casinos are cheap. Getting anything out of them is brutal. You would had to guarantee then a specific number of people coming to watch. They want bodies, if you walk in the chances are you will drop some $$$$$.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

Look at what bowling just got. Maybe Bonus Ball should have done some knocking on some doors before they invested 2 million into their own 12,000 square foot facility. This also fits the Bonus Ball business model as South Point is off the strip.

And maybe the Behrman's should look into using a website such as this so they can find a suitable location for the US Open since they struggle to do so.

Of course it probably helps that bowling actually has a national organization.

http://planyourmeetings.com/2013/04/30/vegas-south-point-scores-12-year-deal-with-u-s-bowling/

No gutter balls here!

The U.S. Bowling Congress, South Point Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas Events, and the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority announced Tuesday a 12-year deal for annual bowling events through the year 2023.

The USBC Open Championships and the USBC Women’s Championships will be held throughout Las Vegas and in a new $30 million facility at South Point starting later this year.

Women’s Championships will be held at South Point in 2016, 2020 and 2022. Open Championships will be held there in 2017, 2019, 2021 and 2023. More than 40 additional tournaments, conventions and short-term events will take place throughout Las Vegas during the agreement. These include the USBC Masters, Queens and Senior Masters tourneys, and the Team USA trials.

Construction on the new South Point bowling center is scheduled to begin in May. It will include more than 60 high-tech lanes, a tourney registration area, bowlers’ squad room and locker facilities, among other amenities.

For an idea of the economic impact of the deal, consider the USBC Open Championships held at Las Vegas’ Cashman Center in 2009. A total of 17,200 teams competed for 154 consecutive days. Attendance for bowlers and their travel parties was estimated at 292,750 people, with an average room stay of 4.3 nights and a non-gaming economic impact of more than $120 million.

South Point Hotel, Casino & Spa has 2,200 guest rooms, a 165,000-sq. ft. convention center, top-of-the-line gaming technology, a 400-seat showroom for live entertainment and more.

Damn...and I always argued pool players were smarter than bowlers!!! Hmmm...

 

[watchez]

Damn...and I always argued pool players were smarter than bowlers!!! Hmmm...

It's not even close. Go to the www.bowl.com website and look at the Board of Directors - which is a large number of people making the decisions - and let me know if you recognize one name on there. And see how organized their group is as a whole. It's night and day.

Oh and the game they promote isn't different at the Pro Level than it is for some 9 year old starting out. 10 pins, wood lane, some oil and a bowling ball.

 

[jimmyg]

It's not even close. Go to the www.bowl.com website and look at the Board of Directors - which is a large number of people making the decisions - and let me know if you recognize one name on there. And see how organized their group is as a whole. It's night and day.

Oh and the game they promote isn't different at the Pro Level than it is for some 9 year old starting out. 10 pins, wood lane, some oil and a bowling ball.

An ideal entry for a new game...."Bonus Bowling". Ya think? :smile:

J

 

[iusedtoberich]

It's not even close. Go to the www.bowl.com website and look at the Board of Directors - which is a large number of people making the decisions - and let me know if you recognize one name on there. And see how organized their group is as a whole. It's night and day.

Oh and the game they promote isn't different at the Pro Level than it is for some 9 year old starting out. 10 pins, wood lane, some oil and a bowling ball.

I didn't recognize any of the names on the BOD. Are they famous bowlers (I don't follow bowling). What is the significance of the names? I didn't understand the point you are making regarding the names?

I don't know how bowling has done so much better than pool (has it?) The cost of an alley monthly rent is way more than a pool hall. The game is arguably more boring to a spectator. Bangers in bowling when the make a strike get all excited and hop around. Banger in pool when they make a ball do the same thing. Both seem to have the same excitement level to the bangers. Banger in bowling get gutter balls a lot. Bangers in pool miss the whole object ball a lot. So the frustration level is similar.

To the actual players who take the game seriously (again, I know just a little about bowling), it would seem to me with the strategy involved in pool due to the random possibilities of the balls, the game is much more in depth than bowling, which has a finite number of possibilities due ot the pins. This should in theory make pool more interesting than bowling to the serious player and to the serious spectator.

 

[watchez]

I didn't recognize any of the names on the BOD. Are they famous bowlers (I don't follow bowling). What is the significance of the names? I didn't understand the point you are making regarding the names?

I don't know how bowling has done so much better than pool (has it?) The cost of an alley monthly rent is way more than a pool hall. The game is arguably more boring to a spectator. Bangers in bowling when the make a strike get all excited and hop around. Banger in pool when they make a ball do the same thing. Both seem to have the same excitement level to the bangers. Banger in bowling get gutter balls a lot. Bangers in pool miss the whole object ball a lot. So the frustration level is similar.

To the actual players who take the game seriously (again, I know just a little about bowling), it would seem to me with the strategy involved in pool due to the random possibilities of the balls, the game is much more in depth than bowling, which has a finite number of possibilities due ot the pins. This should in theory make pool more interesting than bowling to the serious player and to the serious spectator.

My point on the names is that they aren't famous names. You don't need Charlie Williams or Johnny Archer or some other pool player to run pool just because they are exceptional at drawing their ball. This fact that they can draw their ball gives them no extra business sense or ability to run any type of organization.

Bowling hasn't done better than pool? I'll bet you $100 for each hour that bowling has been on TV the past 2 years compared to pool. Remember you said bowling is boring so you should be a lock here. Go to the mall today and ask 100 people if they know who Pete Weber and Earl Strickland are. I'll bet Pete wins. And my original post here - bowling just got a casino to build them an events center. Pool can't even find a legitimate site to host the US Open and the biggest Pro Event of the year - The Derby City - is in a place that is adequate at best. Let alone have some outside group spend money on their sport as they see it as an investment with ROI.

People always want to compare pool to poker. It can't even compare to bowling.

 

[iusedtoberich]

My point on the names is that they aren't famous names. You don't need Charlie Williams or Johnny Archer or some other pool player to run pool just because they are exceptional at drawing their ball. This fact that they can draw their ball gives them no extra business sense or ability to run any type of organization.

Bowling hasn't done better than pool? I'll bet you $100 for each hour that bowling has been on TV the past 2 years compared to pool. Remember you said bowling is boring so you should be a lock here. Go to the mall today and ask 100 people if they know who Pete Weber and Earl Strickland are. I'll bet Pete wins. And my original post here - bowling just got a casino to build them an events center. Pool can't even find a legitimate site to host the US Open and the biggest Pro Event of the year - The Derby City - is in a place that is adequate at best. Let alone have some outside group spend money on their sport as they see it as an investment with ROI.

People always want to compare pool to poker. It can't even compare to bowling.

I see what you mean about the names, and I agree. Pool should have the smartest people running it, who are also deeply interested in the game. This does not meant it has to be run by the pro players, which has been proven time and time again to fail.

We misunderstood each other, I was not claiming pool is doing better than pool. It was more a question because I have not really followed bowling.

That said, I do know bowling suffers the same issues as pool. Very high rent because of the square footage involved. The pool room owners who I personally know tell me the bowling alleys in their neighborhood are doing just as bad as they are.

I also know maybe 15 years ago or so the Microsoft founders dumped millions and millions into bowling, cause it was their favorite game, and they had money falling out of their pockets of course. From the little I recall of that, it didn't help bowling any, and it continued to decline.

Bottom line I think both are dying games, losing to the same new competition for kids/teenager's money and attention span.

It certainly looks like bowling found its niche market better than pool did. I definitely agree there.

 

[JCIN]

My point on the names is that they aren't famous names. You don't need Charlie Williams or Johnny Archer or some other pool player to run pool just because they are exceptional at drawing their ball. This fact that they can draw their ball gives them no extra business sense or ability to run any type of organization.

Bowling hasn't done better than pool? I'll bet you $100 for each hour that bowling has been on TV the past 2 years compared to pool. Remember you said bowling is boring so you should be a lock here. Go to the mall today and ask 100 people if they know who Pete Weber and Earl Strickland are. I'll bet Pete wins. And my original post here - bowling just got a casino to build them an events center. Pool can't even find a legitimate site to host the US Open and the biggest Pro Event of the year - The Derby City - is in a place that is adequate at best. Let alone have some outside group spend money on their sport as they see it as an investment with ROI.

People always want to compare pool to poker. It can't even compare to bowling.

"Attendance for bowlers and their travel parties was estimated at 292,750 people, with an average room stay of 4.3 nights"

There is nothing in pool that can even touch this. I have an idea the room nights generated at the larger events. They wouldnt even move the needle compared to that.

In the grand scheme of things in Vegas the largest pool events of the year are just one more week in the schedule of the convention center. If they went away it would be a speed bump if that. Now if all the events were represented by one party and negotiated as a block it might be a little different. Also if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle.

 

[RunoutJJ]

Ive said this time and again... Barry needs to target the guests at the hotels to come out to the venue to watch. Problem is the location of the venue and probably the cost to advertise is way too high. Most guest don't want to leave the strip unless its a trip to the Hoover Dam or a copter ride through the Grand Canyon. The idea is there but it just won't work.

 

[Johnnyt]

The first thing pool needs are the players to step back and let an outside person or persons with promoting know how take the reins. Johnnyt

 

[JCIN]

The first thing pool needs are the players to step back and let an outside person or persons with promoting know how take the reins. Johnnyt

Why would anyone take the reins? Talent goes where the money is. Thats why pool in the US relies on people with more heart than brains to survive.

 

[Scott Lee]

Justin...You already know this, but Mark Griffin has the heart AND the brains...and his events showcase both of these things! :thumbup: Womens pro pool had a chance with John Rosseau (RIP), but they squandered that, and are floundering. As for the men...well it is what it is!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Why would anyone take the reins? Talent goes where the money is. Thats why pool in the US relies on people with more heart than brains to survive.

 

[cleary]

Also if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle.

Or your uncle would be into some freaky shit!

 

[SterlingArcher]

Thats why pool in the US relies on people with more heart than brains to survive.

Damnit, I can't give you anymore rep.....

 

[watchez]

Justin...You already know this, but Mark Griffin has the heart AND the brains...and his events showcase both of these things! :thumbup: Womens pro pool had a chance with John Rosseau (RIP), but they squandered that, and are floundering. As for the men...well it is what it is!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I thought women's pro pool was floundering (obviously not to the extent it is right now) when John Rosseau got involved. I also thought that some of his ideas were not highly well thought of and he quickly exited.

My point to all of this is that things can get done if you have presentation and organization to do so. Fancy fliers, low cut shirts, drawing your ball for all to be in awe of, and misrepresentation won't get you there either.

 

[spanky79]

many of the top ladies wanted it all to themselves.
They shot themselves in the foot. Look where things are now. Maybe if they gave someone with some business sense a chance things might turn around.
I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

[watchez]

The WPBA screwed up when they made themselves non profit. They have a brand name they can't sell. They can put someone in charge of it and pay them a hefty salary as a lot of non profits do but you have to have cash flow to give someone that salary.

 

[spanky79]

The WPBA screwed up when they made themselves non profit. They have a brand name they can't sell. They can put someone in charge of it and pay them a hefty salary as a lot of non profits do but you have to have cash flow to give someone that salary.

Selling your soul to ESPN while still having to pay ESPN to air your content wasn't to smart either. Instead of making money from it they paid money and didn't even have control over time slots.

 

[watchez]

Selling your soul to ESPN while still having to pay ESPN to air your content wasn't to smart either. Instead of making money from it they paid money and didn't even have control over time slots.

Yes but some benefited from the free marketing and ignoring the dress codes of the WPBA while performing on TV.