MY VARNEY NIGHTMARE unbelievable

Status
Not open for further replies.
I have been out of the country for a bit and just got back in last week. It took me a couple of days to work my way through this thread. Good points both ways.
However, my dealings with KV have always been above board. I called him and asked him to build me a cue with leather wrap and an ivory joint, we talked for an hour. He told me straight away that he was animal friendly and would not make the cue I wanted, but discussed balance pointes, tips, wood quality, and wrap vs wrapless. For this I respect him. He was not just after my money but me be satisfied with the final product. I also have a great regard for Mr. Wheat which I have contacted once and thinking out exactly what I want in a cue from him after our discussion. Both were very informed and straight forward with me. I am going to give myself a Christmas gift of one of Mr. Wheat’s cues.
In the mean time I have had the pleasure of playing with a cue that KV made (a friend of mine has one) and was very pleased with the balance and the hit. I am going to order one when this thing blows over or even if it does not, shucks man it is my money and I can spend it on what I think is a quality product if I want. I am in neither camp on this, and yes I get the point of the thread, but I think it has been carried to extremes on both sides. But with my previous experience I do not have any problems making an order with KV. This is what the man does for a living and I like the end product.

Cheers--------------BW
 
shortman said:
I have been out of the country for a bit and just got back in last week. It took me a couple of days to work my way through this thread. Good points both ways.
However, my dealings with KV have always been above board. I called him and asked him to build me a cue with leather wrap and an ivory joint, we talked for an hour. He told me straight away that he was animal friendly and would not make the cue I wanted, but discussed balance pointes, tips, wood quality, and wrap vs wrapless. For this I respect him. He was not just after my money but me be satisfied with the final product. I also have a great regard for Mr. Wheat which I have contacted once and thinking out exactly what I want in a cue from him after our discussion. Both were very informed and straight forward with me. I am going to give myself a Christmas gift of one of Mr. Wheat?s cues.
In the mean time I have had the pleasure of playing with a cue that KV made (a friend of mine has one) and was very pleased with the balance and the hit. I am going to order one when this thing blows over or even if it does not, shucks man it is my money and I can spend it on what I think is a quality product if I want. I am in neither camp on this, and yes I get the point of the thread, but I think it has been carried to extremes on both sides. But with my previous experience I do not have any problems making an order with KV. This is what the man does for a living and I like the end product.

Cheers--------------BW
Click to expand...


Balanced and well spoken.....I'm glad your making INFORMED decisions.:)
 
I've been following this post and I just have to throw my thoughts in the ring.

Ribdoner, I'm sure he does good work. But IMO, in this situation, that point is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if we are talking about cue makers, butchers, bakers or candlestick makers here.

You get a time promised to you for a product, any product, you realize that there has to be some give and take in any time frame you are promised. Beyond that, with the time that's passed, any reasonable person has to believe there never was an intent to keep the original date and it was more of a standardized line offered to all.

I'd be seriously pissed off if this all happened to me, and like cincyman, a goodly majority of my anger would have absolutely nothing to do with the time frame, rather it has to do with the betrayal of a man to man good word and the continuation of the indifference to his concerns.

He'd have been better off saying I'm sorry I ended up in over my head and it's going to be much longer than I originally thought. Offered a refund, and been done with it. If the customer wanted to wait the additional time, so be it.

On a semi-related note, I've never owned a custom cue, can't justify spending the money on one, I do understand the folks who enjoy the uniqueness of these cues, but I can't understand how anyone, anytime could buy any cue stick without holding it, hitting a ball with it and just physically seeing it. I just don't get it. :confused:

I sure hope somehow there's a happy ending to all this.
 
shortman said:
I am in neither camp on this, and yes I get the point of the thread, but I think it has been carried to extremes on both sides.
Click to expand...

Where's the other camp, and what other side?

-roger
 
sydbarret said:
Originally Posted by Rip
Has anyone else received this "offer" from KV?

Tell you what I'll do....I have a large group of my basic 4pt rosewood j/b's that are near complete. They are all going to the same man in Japan. I get $375 for these as fast as I can make them. Since you just bought a cue, I'll hook you up if you promise to: 1) never repeat this price or deal
2) swear you waited near 6 months
3) give me some good press here at AZB
If you hit my Paypal again tonight, I can reallocate one of those cues to you for $350 and I'll pay shipping. Since you just bought one cue, that'll give you a slight price break plus you skip the wait. I'll have these ready to ship within a couple weeks...they are ready to be cleared. If you want one then let me know what weight you'd like & I'll hand pick you a nice one. All have the brown phen collars.
Thanks
KV
Click to expand...

So, KV collected full payment and deposits from dozens of people, then offer cues to random potential customers while those who paid are kept in the dark? This post says it all, thanks for sharing.

-roger
 
Joe Rogan said:
I had a nightmare that I stopped coming to AZ for a year, and when I came back this was still the top thread with 30,000 posts.
Click to expand...

Not a nightmare Joe, most likely reality unless he comes on here with other than veiled threats.

Regards,
Koop
 
Who needs to see the Pacquiao fight when you can read all 30+ pages of this?
This is more exciting than a balut-eating contest.
 
shortman said:
I have been out of the country for a bit and just got back in last week. It took me a couple of days to work my way through this thread. Good points both ways.
However, my dealings with KV have always been above board. I called him and asked him to build me a cue with leather wrap and an ivory joint, we talked for an hour. He told me straight away that he was animal friendly and would not make the cue I wanted, but discussed balance pointes, tips, wood quality, and wrap vs wrapless. For this I respect him. He was not just after my money but me be satisfied with the final product. I also have a great regard for Mr. Wheat which I have contacted once and thinking out exactly what I want in a cue from him after our discussion. Both were very informed and straight forward with me. I am going to give myself a Christmas gift of one of Mr. Wheat?s cues.
In the mean time I have had the pleasure of playing with a cue that KV made (a friend of mine has one) and was very pleased with the balance and the hit. I am going to order one when this thing blows over or even if it does not, shucks man it is my money and I can spend it on what I think is a quality product if I want. I am in neither camp on this, and yes I get the point of the thread, but I think it has been carried to extremes on both sides. But with my previous experience I do not have any problems making an order with KV. This is what the man does for a living and I like the end product.

Cheers--------------BW
Click to expand...

Hello Shortman, no one is complaining about Kevin's cues, and I am happy your transactions worked out very well. Communication is the key, and it sounds like you certainly had clear and open communication with Kevin, because like you said above ( I called him and asked him to build me a cue ) you had his pone number and could contact him.

The problem though Shortman is that you are a very very small minority here, because 99.9% of all members who have had dealings with Kevin do not have a phone number or the number they have is never answered because Kevin has caller ID and scans his calls.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and he had taken your money, and he would not answer your emails, or the phone I suspect you would also not have had a good transaction with Kevin.

Please I mean no disrespect to you, but like you have said you have read through the thread, but it appears that you missed this part in your read.

Have a very nice day!!!!!
 
Last edited:
JoeyInCali said:
Who needs to see the Pacquiao fight when you can read all 30+ pages of this?
This is more exciting than a balut-eating contest.
Click to expand...

Hey Joey, have you ever eaten Balut, using live chicken eggs geting ready to hatch. I am telling you it is feather licking good!!!! Nothing better than a wiggler!!!!!!!:wink:
 
Joe Rogan said:
I had a nightmare that I stopped coming to AZ for a year, and when I came back this was still the top thread with 30,000 posts.
Click to expand...

C'mon Joe, look at it this way. If someone scammed you or stole something from you, or one of your buddies, like, lets say, a comedy bit, or something like that, wouldnt you want to keep it in the headlines to "out" this person until this person either remedied the problem or just went away?
 
manwon said:
Hey Joey, have you ever eaten Balut, using live chicken eggs geting ready to hatch. I am telling you it is feather licking good!!!! Nothing better than a wiggler!!!!!!!:wink:
Click to expand...
YUKS!
I'd rather pay for a cue that'll never get delivered than eat that.
 
Roadkill said:
The other camp has retreated to parts unknown.
Click to expand...

Yes they certainly have, it is kinda hard to fight for something you know is wrong!!

Have a good day:thumbup:
 
3andstop said:
I've been following this post and I just have to throw my thoughts in the ring.

Ribdoner, I'm sure he does good work. But IMO, in this situation, that point is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if we are talking about cue makers, butchers, bakers or candlestick makers here.

You get a time promised to you for a product, any product, you realize that there has to be some give and take in any time frame you are promised. Beyond that, with the time that's passed, any reasonable person has to believe there never was an intent to keep the original date and it was more of a standardized line offered to all.

I'd be seriously pissed off if this all happened to me, and like cincyman, a goodly majority of my anger would have absolutely nothing to do with the time frame, rather it has to do with the betrayal of a man to man good word and the continuation of the indifference to his concerns.

He'd have been better off saying I'm sorry I ended up in over my head and it's going to be much longer than I originally thought. Offered a refund, and been done with it. If the customer wanted to wait the additional time, so be it.

On a semi-related note, I've never owned a custom cue, can't justify spending the money on one, I do understand the folks who enjoy the uniqueness of these cues, but I can't understand how anyone, anytime could buy any cue stick without holding it, hitting a ball with it and just physically seeing it. I just don't get it. :confused:

I sure hope somehow there's a happy ending to all this.
Click to expand...


Let me try to make my point in a differant way:

I'm glad you and "SHORTMAN" are able to make INFORMED decisions because of threads like this:)
 
ribdoner said:
Let me try to make my point in a differant way:

I'm glad you and "SHORTMAN" are able to make INFORMED decisions because of threads like this:)
Click to expand...

No one could have said it better Adam!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shot Spot On!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Night Adam!!!!
 
islandtime said:
Wronged clients aside, the saddest part of this whole scenario is the reminder of how "internet life" has made it so easy for some folks to throw accountability out the window.

It doesn't take much imagination to guess how much of whats been said here would have played out in the face-to-face envirnoment of a pre-internet pool room...

If nothing else, I guess the internet can be credited with keeping the body count down. :)


bob
Click to expand...

Well, you make a good point, but it's also true that this would not be getting "played out on the internet" if KV would communicate with Cincyman.

tom
 
ribdoner said:
Let me try to make my point in a differant way:

I'm glad you and "SHORTMAN" are able to make INFORMED decisions because of threads like this:)
Click to expand...

I referenced your name in my post ribdoner, my boo boo. I meant to reference shortman. I mistook your quote from him as your post.

Manwon said it pretty good ..

Manwon said:
The problem though Shortman is you that you are a very very small minority here, because 99.9% of all members who have had dealings with Kevin have a phone number or the number they have is never answered because Kevin has caller ID and scans his calls.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and he had taken your money, and he would not answer your emails, or the phone I suspect you would also not have had a good transaction with Kevin.
Click to expand...
 
manwon said:
Hello Duane, please let us know which one of these gentleman you are:

1. HINTON, DUANE
BROWNS SUMMIT, NC

2. HINTON, DUANE S
GREENSBORO, NC

3. HINTON, DUANE A
DURHAM, NC

4. HINTON, DUANE
GREENSBORO, NC

Please be honest with your answer and if you do not reply, that is also an answer and that is all I need.

Thanks Sir and have a nice day!!!!!!
Click to expand...
Craig,
I sent you a pm. Hopefully it will clarify things for. Didn't see your post until this Sunday morning because I was in Olatha watching Gabe Owen win the 1-pocket event at the midwest 9-ball tour stop. Have a great day.
Duane
 
KV is our....

Joe Rogan said:
I had a nightmare that I stopped coming to AZ for a year, and when I came back this was still the top thread with 30,000 posts.
Click to expand...
...Carlos MenSTEALia. :wink:

MM
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top