Opinions noted

[tedkaufman]

Dave, I certainly want you to know I completely agree with the action you took regarding Jimbo. Were I in your shoes, I would not have shown the patience you have. He and all the ******** who have attempted to assert their will to evict you from your home would be gone--and not for 3 months, for good.

To all the other guests on this board who think this is a socialist barracks where everyone has a right to vote and dictate policy, mind your manners and never forget you are indeed a guest, and it is an extended privilege that you are permitted to participate on this board at all. By no means whatsoever is it your right.

 

[ChrisOnline]

Dave.. thats a great post.. and i do belive your are doing a great job... and you deffinatly can use some extra help.. untill that day.. you diserve all the cooperation and consideration and help that everymember has to give..

i was just thinking... did anybody ever ask Mr. Wilson if he even wanted the extra help?
i would think anybody in his posistion would want it.. but in the end its really what him and mike would like done..

also with total chaos everybody here looses..

and i for one think this is one of the best forums on the planet!

chris

 

[Charlie Edwards]

WHOLESALE AMNESTY could bring a new wave of understanding from all
JoeyA

JoeyA, I like your amnesty idea! It could be made a one-time-deal. Just warn them from the get-go that they will be closely monitored...at least for awhile. Yep, I like the idea and hope the management of this forum considers it.

 

[DelaWho???]

I personally am facinated by the whole affair....This thing has snowballed and spun out of control in a most unexpected way. To think that typing the words Free JIMBO would earn me neg rep, and a thread I post about it is closed before I get to read a single response is amazing.
Wilson is on top of things. I think a bad call was made in this regard, but admittedly don't know the full posting history of Jimbo as Wilson does. the final strw to the banning seemed to be a benign post that by itself wouldn't draw that much attention. A public cat fight ensued, and some were told to take their toys and go home.

I would also like to thank those who dropped good rep on me, as that wasn't the intent of the thread. I was just po'd about getting my first dose of neg rep over something so non inflamatory.

I had a crappy night last night at the 8 ball tourney. My best friend drew me in the first round and sent me to the one loss side. I drew his wife over there and sent her home (consequently I had to stick around to drive him home), and in my next match I gave up a couple BIH, and scratched on the 8. It was horrible, a nice shot to pocket the 8 and table roll takes over on the slow rolling cue and sucks it into the side. It's bad enough to give up 2BIH to a better player and get away with it but to scratch on the 8 well that just stinks.....Happy birthday to me.....

MCue Banger McCue

 

[Bishop]

Mr. Wilson has my support fully. We don't live in a vacuum of perfection we are all human. I'm amazed he has the patience to handle it all.

 

[TATE]

Dave,

It would be nice to walk away with something positive from this. What I am walking away with is a new found respect for several posters. There is a small percentage of posters who have really impressed me with what they've said.

It's time like this that people show what they're made of. Regardless of their position, there were some great posts and a lot of comments were fair and intelligent.

As far as I'm concerned you are the "Man in the Arena". Until someone is standing in your dusty shoes, let them hold their tongues!

Chris

 

[TX Poolnut]

Bannings don't just come from thin air.

Jimbo, Sweet Marissa, drivermaker, Shorty, Rude Dog, Pool Sleuth, Silencer, Fast Larry, etc. earned what they got. I don't care if they're all banned forever. If you get banned, it's your own fault, so deal with it and move on. I'm tired of all the crying about this guy or that guy shouldn't have been banned. Wah!

If I'm acting like a damn fool on this board, I get banned. Period.

Keep banning 'em all Mr. Wilson. I couldn't care less. It just means I don't have to wade thru all the stupid drama to get to some pool topics. Works just fine for me.

This forum member supports the efforts of the owners and mods on this site to reign in the drama queens and agitators.

 

[Rod]

Bannings don't just come from thin air.

Jimbo, Sweet Marissa, drivermaker, Shorty, Rude Dog, Pool Sleuth, Silencer, Fast Larry, etc. earned what they got. I don't care if they're all banned forever. If you get banned, it's your own fault, so deal with it and move on. I'm tired of all the crying about this guy or that guy shouldn't have been banned. Wah!

If I'm acting like a damn fool on this board, I get banned. Period.

Keep banning 'em all Mr. Wilson. I couldn't care less. It just means I don't have to wade thru all the stupid drama to get to some pool topics. Works just fine for me.

This forum member supports the efforts of the owners and mods on this site to reign in the drama queens and agitators.

I agree with TX, I have no interest listening to people carry on. It reminds me of a bunch of third graders. I did have an interest in the for sale section not long ago. For instance when someone does crappy work and doesn't make it right. When someone sells something and doesn't deliver etc. This is another area that needs some attention. I don't claim to have the answers but it needs to be nipped in the bud.

Carry on guys your doing fine. We all learn from our mistakes. Well most of us that is.

Rod

 

[Irish634]

Dave,

Moderating a forum is no easy task and a very thankless job. I can't imagine having to do it with 8000+ members. Doing what is right doesn't necessarily mean it is the popular choice. I have only been a member here a short time, but I do believe that you have a good grasp on the differences between the two. You continue to do what you know is right. You have my full support.

To the rest of us 8000+:

We're all adults on this forum we should act like it. Calling people names, calling people liars, telling them their IQ is low, telling them they need to learn to do something, telling them they shouldn't post until they.... yadda yadda... we all know where I am headed. We've seen it all. Sure, there will be disagreements and heated discussions, but at least we should be able to be civil about it all.

Craig

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

All IMO of Course

Dave,

Moderating a forum is no easy task and a very thankless job. I can't imagine having to do it with 8000+ members. Doing what is right doesn't necessarily mean it is the popular choice. I have only been a member here a short time, but I do believe that you have a good grasp on the differences between the two. You continue to do what you know is right. You have my full support.

To the rest of us 8000+:

We're all adults on this forum we should act like it. Calling people names, calling people liars, telling them their IQ is low, telling them they need to learn to do something, telling them they shouldn't post until they.... yadda yadda... we all know where I am headed. We've seen it all. Sure, there will be disagreements and heated discussions, but at least we should be able to be civil about it all.

Craig

While Mr. Wilson's job is hard enough, let's be realistic. If a brand new poster comes aboard and is a trouble-maker, racist, vulgar, etc., a handful of regular posters that police the board themselves, will contact (PM) Mr. Wilson and make him aware of the potential problem. Only a small percentage of the 8,000 people signed up here seldom/ever post, as pointed out in another recent post.

There are only a handful of posters that require close scrutiny and those are well know by the Moderators and the regulars here. While tough, Mr. Wilson's job here is being adequately handled by he and Mike and in my opinion, no other additional Moderators are needed at present (that may change in the future).

For the number of sections here, the volume of posts and threads, the amount of current posters, I think that the real problems are minimal and the result of only a dozen or so people that require supervision.

Mike & Mr. Wilson have the 'moderation' well in hand, even though some posters don't approve of their style. I don't believe that the Moderators 'have it out' for anyone here, but some people are just confrontational and will not change their ways in order to become part of the 'acceptable' group here. More's the pity for them...

Doug
( likes the status quo )


Edited to add: While I know that I am perfect, because my mother (R.I.P.) told me that I have PERFECT ears and ankles, I too have had my problems on AZB over the years. I have even been Banned by the moderators and it was deserved. I've tried to change my ways and to forgive those that I've had problems with in the past. I've gone so far as to give good rep to people that clearly don't care for me. I think that everyone here can get along to a respectable degree and lessen the burden of the Moderators. Not baiting and egging on those that are easily set off, would go a long way in making the forums more enjoyable.
Of course.... all the rules and what I have said, go 'out the window' where KT is involved... imo




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[xidica]

This thread speaks for itself Mr Wilson. In any community you will have a tiny percentage who are like The "Zen Cueist" or JimBo, or whatever.

What's important is that the majority of us are behind you and *very* thankful that you're here.

Maybe you could add sub-moderators to those you trust? Or does vBulletin not support that?

 

[gregoryg]

Mr. Wilson's rules are for the good of the civil people...

Mr. Wilson's rules are not "too" restrictive. The people who respond in a civil, courteous fashion are never warned or threatend with being banned. Those who feel singled out, feel that way because they chose to go too far and start whining, instead of coming up with something useful to contribute. It just comes down to the fact that most people revert to making poorly considered comments because it's easier than using brainpower to make a well thought out, rational comment. Keep up the good work Mr. Wilson, you don't get paid nearly enough for what you do!

 

[Roy Steffensen]

I've gone so far as to give good rep to people that clearly don't care for me.
.

So THAT's how I got my good rep from you!!! Thank's a lot!

 

[BillPorter]

Thanks for your efforts, Dave

I have taken NO POSITION on the Jimbo issue and don't intend to. I just want to voice my support for Dave and Mike and the job they do with this forum. Anyone who has spent much time on non-moderated forums knows that AZ stands MILES above the nonsense that goes on in such forums. If you want to rant, flame, insult, or just blather, there are plently of places for you. But if you want to interact with a reasonably civil and very knowledgeable group of pool people, this place is the best. And it's only that way as a result of the efforts of Mike and Dave.

 

[Peer]

DelaWho??? wrote:
> I would also like to thank those who dropped good rep on me,
> as that wasn't the intent of the thread. I was just po'd
> about getting my first dose of neg rep over something so
> non inflamatory.

Yea, the same happened to me -- some guy gave me bad rep because I wasn't on his side of this issue. It's like being back in kindergarden.

-- peer

 

[jay helfert]

Dave,

You have a thankless job. Look at all the positive posts here and than look at the one from Peer. A totally different interpretation of the same message. It's a wonder you have any hair left.

 

[Peer]

Jay Helfert (who I respect because he uses his real name) wrote:
> You have a thankless job. Look at all the positive posts
> here and than look at the one from Peer. A totally different
> interpretation of the same message.

Well, if you look at the poll -- it's only 40% of the members who think Mr. Wilson is doing a good job.

With that said, I happen to think that Mr. Wilson is a great & good person (something I've told him privately a few times), however, when he gets into this "my way or the highway" mode, which in this case cost us a valuable contributor of this forum, I would like to see changes. Either get a new moderator who can separate his personal vendettas from his job, or better yet, get more moderators to help him. He's obviously overworked.

As I said earlier, his infantile ultimatum to Jimbo reminds me of being in kindergarden.

-- peer

 

[Flex]

Well, if you look at the poll -- it's only 40% of the members who think Mr. Wilson is doing a good job.

-- peer

Churchill said there are "Lies, damn lies, and statistics"...

The 40% thing is a statistic.

102 voters have cast out of more than 8300. That's about 1.23% of the eligible voters, what about the others?

A poll with such a small sample is basically insignificant.

First of all, it's not a random sample, which doesn't mean it has no importance, but it's not random.

What's the margin of error?

Complicated stuff...

Want more info on the margin of error?

Click on this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

In the case of the poll on this forum, it's basically a feedback thing, which has its value, but I'd not overrate it.

Flex

 

[jay helfert]

Jay Helfert (who I respect because he uses his real name) wrote:
> You have a thankless job. Look at all the positive posts
> here and than look at the one from Peer. A totally different
> interpretation of the same message.

Well, if you look at the poll -- it's only 40% of the members who think Mr. Wilson is doing a good job.

With that said, I happen to think that Mr. Wilson is a great & good person (something I've told him privately a few times), however, when he gets into this "my way or the highway" mode, which in this case cost us a valuable contributor of this forum, I would like to see changes. Either get a new moderator who can separate his personal vendettas from his job, or better yet, get more moderators to help him. He's obviously overworked.

As I said earlier, his infantile ultimatum to Jimbo reminds me of being in kindergarden.

-- peer

Appears that you're in the minority on this thread. I believe Wilson has expressed himself quite well, and has given no indication of being overworked. I'd rather not remark about your final statement, other than I find it irritating.

 

[JAM]

Appears that you're in the minority on this thread. I believe Wilson has expressed himself quite well, and has given no indication of being overworked. I'd rather not remark about your final statement, other than I find it irritating.

Hear, hear, and a resounding TAP, TAP, TAP!.

JAM