I'm sure a prompt and immediate payment at the event would have avoided any "shitty attitudes."
Danny,
At the time, I offered to pay that debt in an attempt to solve your problem. Your problem could have been easily solved ... but you went out of your way to prevent it. Sit back and think about it ... if you weren't such an ungrateful, whiney, uncooperative jerk - this issue would have been settled a long time ago. Like somebody else I know - I'd rather be ate by a goat and $hit off a cliff than to ever put a dime into your pocket. All these years later, I am absolutely convinced that you don't want that money half as much as you want something to complain about. You blame Brady Behrman - you blame Charlie Williams - you blame Frank Alvarez - and now you blame me ... the only reason you still haven't got that money is because of you and your $hitty attitude. You are impossible to deal with - and there is nothing that anybody will ever do that will make you happy. Like it or not - that's the truth.
To be clear he is still owed? And you think this is right? It does not matter how bad or whiny someone is, you should give them their money. Just because a tourney director collects the cash it does not make it his in no way shape or form.
Danny,
At the time, I offered to pay that debt in an attempt to solve your problem. Your problem could have been easily solved ... but you went out of your way to prevent it. Sit back and think about it ... if you weren't such an ungrateful, whiney, uncooperative jerk - this issue would have been settled a long time ago. Like somebody else I know - I'd rather be ate by a goat and $hit off a cliff than to ever put a dime into your pocket. All these years later, I am absolutely convinced that you don't want that money half as much as you want something to complain about. You blame Brady Behrman - you blame Charlie Williams - you blame Frank Alvarez - and now you blame me ... the only reason you still haven't got that money is because of you and your $hitty attitude. You are impossible to deal with - and there is nothing that anybody will ever do that will make you happy. Like it or not - that's the truth.
It's probably already too late unless a reputable financial backer steps in, which is unlikely since it appears to be a break-even event at best.
Does anybody know exactly how it works legally? Does Behrman have rights to the name "US Open 9 Ball Championships" in perpetuity as he started it.
And since its a WPA sanctioned event, if the WPA threatened to pull out unless Behrman made sure all players were paid as well as the venue (He didn't pay Chesapeake in 2012), could they force him to sell to a qualified buyer/promoter if he continues to not pay in full?
JumpinJoe...and just so YOU know...Blackjack had NOTHING to do with that tournament, as a player or promoter. He was merely trying to help get the problem solved. He doesn't owe Danny a dime.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Adam,
Danny wants this problem. Everybody involved made every attempt to make sure that Danny was paid the money he was owed. I offered to pay Danny at the time because
a) Brady was not able to
b) Danny is a great player - and I wanted this resolved so that he would play again at the highest level.
As far the comments supporting Danny - I understand that completely. I supported Danny and stood beside him for many years before he suddenly grouped me in with the rest of his "supposed" enemies and his "imaginary" conspiracy theories. I won't sit back and allow him to paint a picture that isn't there as far as my involvement goes. If Danny had accepted my offer - Brady had already agreed to pay me back. Danny burned that bridge - not Brady - not me - and not the UPA.
I remember the back-and-forth discussion about this topic. For whatever reason, Danny wanted to go in his own direction as far as a remedy.
Brady Behrman, who is Barry Behrman's son, is the tournament promoter that owes Danny the funds. I was at this tournament, FWIW. Though it has nothing to do with players getting paid, it was tragic what happened.
It was one of the best tournaments I had ever been to at that time, falling on the heels of the Derby City Classic and the Music City Open the week before. Unfortunately, there was just too much pool crammed into this month of January, I think, for spectators to be able to afford to go to all three of these events. As well, this week of the Mid-Atlantic 9-Ball Championship was not only Super Bowl weekend, but there was a snow blizzard preventing folks from arriving. There were more prostitutes and players in the stands than spectators, as I recall. Some of the vendors in the hallway refused to pay Brady Behrman the vendor fee because of the lack of spectators. Some complained they did not sell one item.
I realize, however, this has nothing to do with Danny not getting paid. I agree that it is wrong.
Barry Behrman, Brady's father, has nothing to do with this. Nothing. So people need to quit mentioning his name as a responsible party.
I also know Blackjack went out of his way to try to make this right as a liaison between Danny, Brady Behrman, and the UPA. No matter what he came up with, it was rejected.
Personally, I believe the UPA should take some of the blame. As the male professional player organization at that time, requiring its members to pay fees and sign legally binding contracts, they didn't do anything about this. What good is a professional player organization if the organization doesn't stand behind its players?
The whole fiasco is a compound fracture which has never been resolved, and, unfortunately, Danny Harriman came up with the short end of the stick in this.
I would let it go and move on, if I were Danny. All the negative energy that is created each time this is mentioned cannot be good for Danny's well-being and mental health. I'm not sure the money is worth the negative energy that Danny experiences each time he delves into this topic.
The tournament was really cool for me as a spectator. It is ashame what happened. It was Brady's first attempt at promoting a tournament, and Mother Nature and the logistics went against him. To my knowledge, he never promoted another one after that. I remember seeing his wife crying her eyes out at the end of the tournament when the vendors did not pay them.
For the AzBilliards Gold Members, check out these really, really cool pool photos of the event from Diana Hoppe ---> HERE
Here is the article about the winner who was none other than our beloved Efren ---> HERE
I remember the back-and-forth discussion about this topic. For whatever reason, Danny wanted to go in his own direction as far as a remedy.
Brady Behrman, who is Barry Behrman's son, is the tournament promoter that owes Danny the funds. I was at this tournament, FWIW. Though it has nothing to do with players getting paid, it was tragic what happened.
It was one of the best tournaments I had ever been to at that time, falling on the heels of the Derby City Classic and the Music City Open the week before. Unfortunately, there was just too much pool crammed into this month of January, I think, for spectators to be able to afford to go to all three of these events. As well, this week of the Mid-Atlantic 9-Ball Championship was not only Super Bowl weekend, but there was a snow blizzard preventing folks from arriving. There were more prostitutes and players in the stands than spectators, as I recall. Some of the vendors in the hallway refused to pay Brady Behrman the vendor fee because of the lack of spectators. Some complained they did not sell one item.
I realize, however, this has nothing to do with Danny not getting paid. I agree that it is wrong.
Barry Behrman, Brady's father, has nothing to do with this. Nothing. So people need to quit mentioning his name as a responsible party.
I also know Blackjack went out of his way to try to make this right as a liaison between Danny, Brady Behrman, and the UPA. No matter what he came up with, it was rejected.
Personally, I believe the UPA should take some of the blame. As the male professional player organization at that time, requiring its members to pay fees and sign legally binding contracts, they didn't do anything about this. What good is a professional player organization if the organization doesn't stand behind its players?
The whole fiasco is a compound fracture which has never been resolved, and, unfortunately, Danny Harriman came up with the short end of the stick in this.
I would let it go and move on, if I were Danny. All the negative energy that is created each time this is mentioned cannot be good for Danny's well-being and mental health. I'm not sure the money is worth the negative energy that Danny experiences each time he delves into this topic.
The tournament was really cool for me as a spectator. It is ashame what happened. It was Brady's first attempt at promoting a tournament, and Mother Nature and the logistics went against him. To my knowledge, he never promoted another one after that. I remember seeing his wife crying her eyes out at the end of the tournament when the vendors did not pay them.
For the AzBilliards Gold Members, check out these really, really cool pool photos of the event from Diana Hoppe ---> HERE
Here is the article about the winner who was none other than our beloved Efren ---> HERE
I remember being there & I agree, it was an awesome tournament. I haven't looked at those pics in a while. That's my daughter Ashley, she was 10 then, that Max Eberle is behind who was lucky enough to get some instruction from some of the guys. All 3 of the kids also got to keep the sticks they were playing with, I forget now which vendor it was that donated them. I know Ashley got most of the pros there to sign it for her & it's now put up.
FYI, There is more to this than meets the eye! Blackjack and others that tried to help and bring attention to the issue got "ABUSED" by Danny verbally and he even went so far as to make offers to "Enter a boxing ring" for $500 of all things!
Yes, Brady owed the money and Blackjack was going to lend Brady the money and pay Danny. Danny refused Brady/Blackjack's money!!! Danny got so upset and out of line and aggressive/offensive that the lack of payment at this point is blowback IMO.
Not saying it is ok not to pay someone! Just that, Danny has torched many bridges.
KD
I remember the back-and-forth discussion about this topic. For whatever reason, Danny wanted to go in his own direction as far as a remedy.
Brady Behrman, who is Barry Behrman's son, is the tournament promoter that owes Danny the funds. I was at this tournament, FWIW. Though it has nothing to do with players getting paid, it was tragic what happened.
It was one of the best tournaments I had ever been to at that time, falling on the heels of the Derby City Classic and the Music City Open the week before. Unfortunately, there was just too much pool crammed into this month of January, I think, for spectators to be able to afford to go to all three of these events. As well, this week of the Mid-Atlantic 9-Ball Championship was not only Super Bowl weekend, but there was a snow blizzard preventing folks from arriving. There were more prostitutes and players in the stands than spectators, as I recall. Some of the vendors in the hallway refused to pay Brady Behrman the vendor fee because of the lack of spectators. Some complained they did not sell one item.
I realize, however, this has nothing to do with Danny not getting paid. I agree that it is wrong.
Barry Behrman, Brady's father, has nothing to do with this. Nothing. So people need to quit mentioning his name as a responsible party.
I also know Blackjack went out of his way to try to make this right as a liaison between Danny, Brady Behrman, and the UPA. No matter what he came up with, it was rejected.
Personally, I believe the UPA should take some of the blame. As the male professional player organization at that time, requiring its members to pay fees and sign legally binding contracts, they didn't do anything about this. What good is a professional player organization if the organization doesn't stand behind its players?
The whole fiasco is a compound fracture which has never been resolved, and, unfortunately, Danny Harriman came up with the short end of the stick in this.
I would let it go and move on, if I were Danny. All the negative energy that is created each time this is mentioned cannot be good for Danny's well-being and mental health. I'm not sure the money is worth the negative energy that Danny experiences each time he delves into this topic.
The tournament was really cool for me as a spectator. It is ashame what happened. It was Brady's first attempt at promoting a tournament, and Mother Nature and the logistics went against him. To my knowledge, he never promoted another one after that. I remember seeing his wife crying her eyes out at the end of the tournament when the vendors did not pay them.
For the AzBilliards Gold Members, check out these really, really cool pool photos of the event from Diana Hoppe ---> HERE
Here is the article about the winner who was none other than our beloved Efren ---> HERE
Thankfully we can all look forward to another response from Danny 2 months from now when he randomly bumps this thread off of page 286.
I'm sure a prompt and immediate payment at the event would have avoided any "shitty attitudes."