Players not being paid at US Open
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Too late to be entered in the running for post of the year but you nailed it.
Once again, too much attempt of justification being spewed on top of what was a wrongful act in the pool world.
To be clear he is still owed? And you think this is right? It does not matter how bad or whiny someone is, you should give them their money. Just because a tourney director collects the cash it does not make it his in no way shape or form.
JumpinJoe...and just so YOU know...Blackjack had NOTHING to do with that tournament, as a player or promoter. He was merely trying to help get the problem solved. He doesn't owe Danny a dime.
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looks like Danny doesn't want your money, he wants money from who owes it because it spends better
Does anybody know exactly how it works legally? Does Behrman have rights to the name "US Open 9 Ball Championships" in perpetuity as he started it.
And since its a WPA sanctioned event, if the WPA threatened to pull out unless Behrman made sure all players were paid as well as the venue (He didn't pay Chesapeake in 2012), could they force him to sell to a qualified buyer/promoter if he continues to not pay in full?
Adam,
Danny wants this problem. Everybody involved made every attempt to make sure that Danny was paid the money he was owed. I offered to pay Danny at the time because
a) Brady was not able to
b) Danny is a great player - and I wanted this resolved so that he would play again at the highest level.
As far the comments supporting Danny - I understand that completely. I supported Danny and stood beside him for many years before he suddenly grouped me in with the rest of his "supposed" enemies and his "imaginary" conspiracy theories. I won't sit back and allow him to paint a picture that isn't there as far as my involvement goes. If Danny had accepted my offer - Brady had already agreed to pay me back. Danny burned that bridge - not Brady - not me - and not the UPA.
Danny wants this problem. Everybody involved made every attempt to make sure that Danny was paid the money he was owed. I offered to pay Danny at the time because
a) Brady was not able to
b) Danny is a great player - and I wanted this resolved so that he would play again at the highest level.
As far the comments supporting Danny - I understand that completely. I supported Danny and stood beside him for many years before he suddenly grouped me in with the rest of his "supposed" enemies and his "imaginary" conspiracy theories. I won't sit back and allow him to paint a picture that isn't there as far as my involvement goes. If Danny had accepted my offer - Brady had already agreed to pay me back. Danny burned that bridge - not Brady - not me - and not the UPA.
WPA can't do nothing about this. Barry is the one requesting sanctioning. The most WPA could do is reject the request...and no, no one can force Barry to sell the name of the US Open....
Never really implied he owed. I'm saying ANY p.o.s. tourney director that keeps someone's money should be banned himself from all pool related activities
I remember the back-and-forth discussion about this topic. For whatever reason, Danny wanted to go in his own direction as far as a remedy.
Brady Behrman, who is Barry Behrman's son, is the tournament promoter that owes Danny the funds. I was at this tournament, FWIW. Though it has nothing to do with players getting paid, it was tragic what happened.
It was one of the best tournaments I had ever been to at that time, falling on the heels of the Derby City Classic and the Music City Open the week before. Unfortunately, there was just too much pool crammed into this month of January, I think, for spectators to be able to afford to go to all three of these events. As well, this week of the Mid-Atlantic 9-Ball Championship was not only Super Bowl weekend, but there was a snow blizzard preventing folks from arriving. There were more prostitutes and players in the stands than spectators, as I recall. Some of the vendors in the hallway refused to pay Brady Behrman the vendor fee because of the lack of spectators. Some complained they did not sell one item.
I realize, however, this has nothing to do with Danny not getting paid. I agree that it is wrong.
Barry Behrman, Brady's father, has nothing to do with this. Nothing. So people need to quit mentioning his name as a responsible party.
I also know Blackjack went out of his way to try to make this right as a liaison between Danny, Brady Behrman, and the UPA. No matter what he came up with, it was rejected.
Personally, I believe the UPA should take some of the blame. As the male professional player organization at that time, requiring its members to pay fees and sign legally binding contracts, they didn't do anything about this. What good is a professional player organization if the organization doesn't stand behind its players?
The whole fiasco is a compound fracture which has never been resolved, and, unfortunately, Danny Harriman came up with the short end of the stick in this.
I would let it go and move on, if I were Danny. All the negative energy that is created each time this is mentioned cannot be good for Danny's well-being and mental health. I'm not sure the money is worth the negative energy that Danny experiences each time he delves into this topic.
The tournament was really cool for me as a spectator. It is ashame what happened. It was Brady's first attempt at promoting a tournament, and Mother Nature and the logistics went against him. To my knowledge, he never promoted another one after that. I remember seeing his wife crying her eyes out at the end of the tournament when the vendors did not pay them.
For the AzBilliards Gold Members, check out these really, really cool pool photos of the event from Diana Hoppe ---> HERE
Here is the article about the winner who was none other than our beloved Efren ---> HERE
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FYI, There is more to this than meets the eye! Blackjack and others that tried to help and bring attention to the issue got "ABUSED" by Danny verbally and he even went so far as to make offers to "Enter a boxing ring" for $500 of all things!
Yes, Brady owed the money and Blackjack was going to lend Brady the money and pay Danny. Danny refused Brady/Blackjack's money!!! Danny got so upset and out of line and aggressive/offensive that the lack of payment at this point is blowback IMO.
Not saying it is ok not to pay someone! Just that, Danny has torched many bridges.
KD
I remember being there & I agree, it was an awesome tournament. I haven't looked at those pics in a while. That's my daughter Ashley, she was 10 then, that Max Eberle is behind who was lucky enough to get some instruction from some of the guys. All 3 of the kids also got to keep the sticks they were playing with, I forget now which vendor it was that donated them. I know Ashley got most of the pros there to sign it for her & it's now put up.
That was a cool tournament. Keith and I both had a blast during the off hours. Everybody seemed to be there, all the best pro players in the world at that time. What a great event! The players came. The problem was the lack of spectators.
What a great pool keepsake for Ashley. 10 years old? My, how time flies! :grin:
True dat. I think the mental anguish is not worth this fight for Danny, but I'm not Danny. I do feel badk for Blackjack. I remember speaking about this with him during this era. He didn't deserve to be treated like that.
All the excuses are valid in some respect but stilll not Danny's fault. If the promoter didn't have the forsight to see how his venture had so many outlining issues that could cause it to fail, then maybe he should pick a different line of business to be involved in. Seems like his father is full of excuses each year (room was too small for the bleachers, didn't realize fans wouldn't show up, etc. etc.). Maybe Brady should have seeked out a different mentor before he tried his hand in pool tournaments. Honestly, this excuses for lack of payment to Danny (and others) is getting old. And it is not even that much money.
I run a tour (as you know). I go to Florida in February and Minnesota in August. Hmmm, there is an obvious reason for that. People actually enjoy getting to a warm climate in the dead of winter. There is a big tourney I compete with in the end of October that I schedule as far away from as possible. I don't schedule on holidays, Super Bowls, World Series. Put tourneys in cities that are affordable to stay at for hotels, transportation. I actually put some thought into what I am doing. And guess what, I am successful and every nickel is paid.
Thankfully we can all look forward to another response from Danny 2 months from now when he randomly bumps this thread off of page 286.
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it's a shame this missed the cut-off for Quote of the Year
Blaming Danny because he had a "bad attitude" is ridiculous! If Danny were paid there would have been no bad attitude!
That's like if someone stiffs you in a money game, and then you rag on them to pay you. They then say I'm not going to pay you because you won't leave me alone. That's just a bs excuse cause the guy is broke.
I too would not have accepted payment from Blackjack. That is a nice gesture by him, but completely unnecessary imo.
I don't know Danny except from reading his posts over the years. In my judgement, Danny does not hold anything back, is honest, and has a ton of integrity. He was right turning down money from anyone other than the promoter. And he is right keeping the pool community informed of his still non-payment.
That's like if someone stiffs you in a money game, and then you rag on them to pay you. They then say I'm not going to pay you because you won't leave me alone. That's just a bs excuse cause the guy is broke.
I too would not have accepted payment from Blackjack. That is a nice gesture by him, but completely unnecessary imo.
I don't know Danny except from reading his posts over the years. In my judgement, Danny does not hold anything back, is honest, and has a ton of integrity. He was right turning down money from anyone other than the promoter. And he is right keeping the pool community informed of his still non-payment.