Practicing with hole reinforcement dots and leaving lines in the table

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Camelot

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What do you think about this situation......

A player comes to the pool room to practice, and uses the standard white hole reinforcements. He spends several hours practicing, and leaves the normal white line from the shots he has been hitting, and has left the usual chalk marks near the where the CB is struck.

The room owner says that these hole reinforcements should only be used on your home table. Also that if the player is following through with his shot and rubbing against the cloth, it will eventually leave a divot where the cueball will roll off.

Therefore practice like this is unwanted.

Just wondering what you think about this situation.
 
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if I were the room owner I think i would be most concerned with the sticky residue from the hole protectors. I always kinda wondered how the ones ppl use for racking might affect the way the balls roll. esp in a slow game like 14.1 or one pocket.
 
I think it is the room owners perogative what foriegn objects he allows put on the tables for practice. Plain and simple.

Gotta respect the rooms.

Carl
 
I do this at home

And your right it will leave a line if you do it a lot. One solution I have found is taking blue painters tape and putting it on the line you are practicing - I have been doing this for years - no adverse affects.
 
There is a local player who has been kicked out of two pool halls for doing this...day after day setting up, and mostly missing, the same couple of shots.

The little holes and wear marks in the cloth that result from this make the tables look terrible after awhile.
 
I never see any white marks on the cloth after I practice with them. I'm probably not practicing long enough. Joe Tuckers drills make me want to quit too soon lol. Johnnyt
 
Probably because you can play Johnny...this guy was a weak C player who had the back of his cue elevated all crazy and just hit down on the ball every stroke.
 
The white marks they're talking about is a line on the table that follows the path of the cueball, similar to the line that shows from breaking in the same spot.

I use the hole reinforcements at home when I practice. If I owned a poolroom, I wouldn't allow anyone to use them either. It isn't a big deal if I mark up my table because 1. I own it and 2. I am the only one using it. If it were equipment I was charging to play on, I would want it to look nice as long as possible.

The guy mentioned above who got kicked out of two rooms for doing this sounds like an ass. Get a clue the first time and respect peoples property. I'm sure they didn't kick him out on the first offense, which means he deliberately went against their wishes.
 
Run the Century said:
And your right it will leave a line if you do it a lot. One solution I have found is taking blue painters tape and putting it on the line you are practicing - I have been doing this for years - no adverse affects.
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hm-

what are *blue painters tape* ?

thx in advance,
Ingo
 
Which is worse practice or people who don't have a clue?

I wonder if these avid practice sessions do more damage to the table than the masses of people who scoop the ball, spill beer on the table and sit on the rails.

I wonder if this pool room owner kicks them out too. I doubt it as they are good for business.

I have complained to the staff at some local pool rooms about people sitting on the rails and they could care less. This is also probably the reason the rails and cloth are rarely changed.

The very best room's I've played in were owned by someone who enjoys the game and is also a competent player.
 
Ratta said:
hm-

what are *blue painters tape* ?

thx in advance,
Ingo
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Painters tape can be found in the paint department at any hardware store. It is used to mask off areas your don't want painted. It is a low adhesive tape and therefore doesn't leave a residue. It is usually blue.
 
Is it better to use the chalk/spit method? I would think that's worse for the table.

FWIW, I've never noticed any residue with the "donuts"
 
Which is worse practice or people who don't have a clue?

dr9ball, rep for your post!
The initial way I've been taught to mark the table for drills was make a circle with a chalk cube. Good as long as there is nothing around. Not only this adds more chalk residue to the cloth but also could rip cloth fibers in the end. So I used to use hole reinforcements and find this way much better and "cloth-saving". Capelle wouldn't have given bad recommendations, or?
But the best method to mark balls spots for drills was with a pen or sharpie. The black dot is so small that it is hardly visible by those unaware about its presence and doesn't influence their game.

As for chalk marks left by a good follow-through (particularly draw shots) it all can be erased if room owner does cleaning regularly. I understand it is easier to forbid clients doing something than do something yourself. I recall one room where one of the counter guys (don't know if there is a proper word for staff members who give the balls and keep an eye on the room and visitors) was jumping out of his pants to keep "order" so much that he made me put away a tiny piece of paper (!) I was using as a target while practicing position play.

I don't see anything wrong in practice, either with hole reinforcements or not. Like I said, even without them follow-through on draw shots will leave some burnt marks. Of course a player should change sides of the table he is shooting at in order to show he takes care of that too.

And I can't understand why practice with painters tape. It is not the same surface as cloth, totally different friction. Maybe you just put it along the follow-through path, then it is partly understandable.
 
> I've been kicked out of a room for practicing this same way. In my case,I missed a shot the day before in a tournament that lead directly to a loss. I went to the poolroom and set the shot up,using the reinforcements. I shot the same shot 70-80 times and here he comes.

Now keep in mind that he was *****ing about the same white spot on the cloth,but had no reason to really ***** here because the white spot was indistinguishable from the other 800 white spots on the 2 yr old horse-blanket cloth.

Also keep in mind this is the same guy that kicked me out for using blue chalk on gold cloth,breaking too hard,and jumping balls.

I can totally understand a room owner complaining about this when the cloth is week old Simonis,or another high-grade cloth,really I can.

However,I cannot see how the subject at hand is ANY worse than people that want to use a phenolic-tipped jump cue for every possible jump including shaft jumps,gouge the cloth with phenolic equipped break cues,etc.

If I was practicing in a room with good equipment,spending my money to play and improve,I'd be pretty offended if someone told me to stop doing what I was doing to try and semi-master a particular shot.

Even the first shot in the Kinister workout will cause the same white line if shot enough times,and all this shot is is a 4 foot advanced stop shot. Do persnickety owners kick people out for that?

No offense intended,but seems pretty nitty compared to letting people sit on rails and not barring them for LIFE for spilling beer on fresh Simonis. Tommy D.
 
Camelot said:
What do you think about this situation......

A player comes to the pool room to practice, and uses the standard white hole reinforcements. He spends several hours practicing, and leaves the normal white line from the shots he has been hitting, and has left the usual chalk marks near the where the CB is struck.

The room owner says that these hole reinforcements should only be used on your home table. Also that if the player is following through with his shot and rubbing against the cloth, it will eventually leave a divot where the cueball will roll off.

Therefore practice like this is unwanted.

Just wondering what you think about this situation.
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He is the owner...respect his wishes.
 
I'll say I have never had residue from the white donuts either. I have from time to time created the "burn" mark lines on my table, but that is mainly when I'm doing stop shot drills working up to full table length stop shots.
 
With all due respect to room owners. I know you have a lot of money invested in the equipment. But you rent them to customers to play pool on. Every shot marks the cloth, every time. So I come in, grab some balls and practice a 9ball break for 4 hrs. If there playing 9 ball on that table theres a line from both sides already there. If it was just recovered are you gonna ask me not to practice my break on that table? Same goes for practicing any shot over and over. Lets say I come into your room alot and spend a bunch of money playing in leagues and tournaments but I like to practice specific drills to keep sharp? Your not really gonna kick me out for wearing out the cloth? Isn't that why the doors are open?
 
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