You're assuming that Diamond is capacity constrained on tables. It's equally likely based on the information available that Diamond turned the $0 it would have made from tables sitting in storage somewhere to > $0 for rental and installation.
Pro Pool players courting disaster
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You're assuming that Diamond is capacity constrained on tables. It's equally likely based on the information available that Diamond turned the $0 it would have made from tables sitting in storage somewhere to > $0 for rental and installation.
I don't think that pros are courting disaster and I don't think it would be smart for the leaders of our industry to have a conference and agree on a direction for our sport. It is no secret that regulation table pocket billiards is struggling. A struggling envoronment is an ideal stage for competition for a winning direction. At this time our sport needs many BB type ideas, visionaries, and risk takers. If there were a number of well funded concepts, one could emerge and prove to be decisively successful. Then our industry could unite.
Our sport is in turmoil. Let the marketplace work its magic. The marketplace knows better than a group of united leaders.
Don't think Canadians think much about "BUY AMERICAN"... Just sayin.... Ehhh?
Let's just hope the person that wrote the business plan wasn't the same genius who coordinated the building plans/permits....
I tried to keep an open mind regarding Bonus Ball, but after watching an hour of Archer vs Klatt, I gave up. I found it to be one of the silliest ideas in pool. Or may be the silliest. Putting a pocket in the middle of the table comes at a close second.
You will likely never play this game in a pool hall. Which in my opinion is the game’s biggest flaw. You can use only two pockets on one side and a side pocket on the other side of the table, which makes the game hard to follow at times and even harder to enjoy. You have these women spotting balls on the table, smiling the whole time. I wonder if they thought this was cheesy.
There is no excitement of putting racks together, no back and forth safety battle on that one ball, no quick run outs, no jump shots or kicks that I saw. It was all very monotone.
And what's with the team names and the t-shirts and the countdown clock? Even if you try to make this game like other sports, unless people are going to play the game and enjoy it, its all for nothing.
If they would have taken all this money and invested in something like the Mosconi cup - say US vs Phillipines? Now that would be something.
Hell, why not use this money to bring the world pool championship to the US. I would love to see Darren Appleton celebrate his win in person.
You will likely never play this game in a pool hall. Which in my opinion is the game’s biggest flaw. You can use only two pockets on one side and a side pocket on the other side of the table, which makes the game hard to follow at times and even harder to enjoy. You have these women spotting balls on the table, smiling the whole time. I wonder if they thought this was cheesy.
There is no excitement of putting racks together, no back and forth safety battle on that one ball, no quick run outs, no jump shots or kicks that I saw. It was all very monotone.
And what's with the team names and the t-shirts and the countdown clock? Even if you try to make this game like other sports, unless people are going to play the game and enjoy it, its all for nothing.
If they would have taken all this money and invested in something like the Mosconi cup - say US vs Phillipines? Now that would be something.
Hell, why not use this money to bring the world pool championship to the US. I would love to see Darren Appleton celebrate his win in person.
Every player should go the way of their conscience. However, if any player decides not to play events because of an affiliation...they owe it to us mainstream joe's (that go to tournaments, buy ppv's, lessons, etc.) to stand up and say publically that they will or will not play and why. It is ok to do what you think is best for your career. But, be accountable. If the future, we pool enthusiasts need to take account of players opting out of events and support those pros willing to play anywhere, anytime.
Of course, only my opinion. Everyone has one.
Of course, only my opinion. Everyone has one.
Almost everything sold now a days in North America has a little sign on it that says 'made in China'
Makes you wonder bout all ur country men buying all their shit from China to sell to their 'boys' just so they can make a few extra bucks. But i guess thats business eh!
This thread is riddled with pool politics at its finest. I think there's more going on behind the scenes than is being aired in public. Everybody has their own agenda.
I totally empathize with the pro pool player in making their own decision whether to play in an event or not. They are the ones scraping by to make ends meet, while the rest of us cast judgment as we live comfortably with a roof over our collecdtive heads and/or are working our traditional 9-to-5 job making ends meet.
I totally empathize with the pro pool player in making their own decision whether to play in an event or not. They are the ones scraping by to make ends meet, while the rest of us cast judgment as we live comfortably with a roof over our collecdtive heads and/or are working our traditional 9-to-5 job making ends meet.
Please do not misquote me, I understand you overlook things that I am saying and that is cool but "I do care" and hope the money is there but its not my business and that is up to the players since its their money plain and simple. I just do not see why there is a lack of confidence with the money being there when the players have been paid money already and not chump change either, it seems to me people are just grasping at straws. As for the business plan, I do not have the right to discuss it but it certainly has potential. I find it funny that some dudes on the internet expect a company to show them the money and the business plan, thanks for the laugh but now back to reality.
That is why pool is where its at, forget politics and their own checkbooks and the fact that what really matters is the pro players making a living, this a chance for that. The tournament trail is players gambling to make a buck plain and simple, that whole thing does not make sense and obviously does not work as history has shown. It is time for change in pool and maybe this works or maybe it does not, but at least someone is trying something new instead of the same old stuff that has proven to fail.
Please do not misquote me, I understand you overlook things that I am saying and that is cool but "I do care" and hope the money is there but its not my business and that is up to the players since its their money plain and simple. I just do not see why there is a lack of confidence with the money being there when the players have been paid money already and not chump change either, it seems to me people are just grasping at straws. As for the business plan, I do not have the right to discuss it but it certainly has potential. I find it funny that some dudes on the internet expect a company to show them the money and the business plan, thanks for the laugh but now back to reality.
Fast Lenny, actions speak louder than words. Defending BB on this forum at this stage is truly an effort in futility. :frown:
I felt *exactly* the same way you do today about the IPT when it was a part of my life. At that time, this forum became the IPT proponents vs. the IPT opponents. :grin:
It too was a political animal. Kevin Trudeau refused to pay sanctioning fees to the WPA, which was met with all kinds of criticism, and then as the IPT ship began to sink, the fury on this forum grew to a fever pitch.
If you were to ask one of the BCA Hall of Famers today what they think about the IPT, I would venture to guess that they would have a different opinion about the failed IPT than the IPT opponents. I mean, after all, to be paid $30,000 just for showing up is a nice number. Plus, they got two byes in the King of the Hill tournament, which Efren won, BTW. I don't think he needed the two byes, but he was a BCA Hall of Famer, so he got 'em. Poor Earl Strickland had not yet been inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame, so he was paid the standard 6 dimes, same as the others, with no byes. :grin:
I have no dog in this fight, but I do feel strongly that the pro pool player has every right to decide what to compete in. There is no allegiance in the pool world, unfortunately, because there is no tour. The only allegiance in the pool world that exists today is the BCA industry members with each other and those who work for one of the indsutry members in some form or another, like you, Fast Lenny.
And that's okay. I totally get it and hope you do enjoy the ride on the BB train longer than we did on the IPT ship. :smile:
Well, that's because in a normal environment, it IS hard to believe. But pool is not a normal environment. In the normal business world, if a Request for Proposal is sent to vendors/service providers and what the company gets back are proposals that do not meet specs, it is easily discarded. But this never happens, because business folks can actually read. Why in the world would Diamond insist on 10 foot tables? Makes no sense. But little in pool makes sense, so anything is possible.
Good Luck Bonus Ball
Totally agree, This is exactly what I think. Years of history as proof.
Good Luck Bonus Ball, Can't wait
Gary
Totally agree, This is exactly what I think. Years of history as proof.
Good Luck Bonus Ball, Can't wait
Gary
REASON 1,845,313 Why pool is where it is...
Just read the 9+ previous pages. So and So said this, he was supposed to do this, the tables were supposed to be by ABC brand. Anyone got anything in writing? Of course not, that would make way too much sense. The finger pointing, politics and unwillingness to work together is evident. What one person tries to do good for our sport, others dogpile on with negativity. Instead of working together and keeping one's word, it's easier to insinuate and back stab...from all parties. If the OP had never made this post in the first place, would it have mattered? No, we would have continued on with a plethora of other topics. Let's face it, pool players are the sports worst enemy...PERIOD.
Just read the 9+ previous pages. So and So said this, he was supposed to do this, the tables were supposed to be by ABC brand. Anyone got anything in writing? Of course not, that would make way too much sense. The finger pointing, politics and unwillingness to work together is evident. What one person tries to do good for our sport, others dogpile on with negativity. Instead of working together and keeping one's word, it's easier to insinuate and back stab...from all parties. If the OP had never made this post in the first place, would it have mattered? No, we would have continued on with a plethora of other topics. Let's face it, pool players are the sports worst enemy...PERIOD.
Yes that is the reason
LMFAO this quote is priceless!!... thats the problem " NOT A SINGLE PERSON KNOWS THE ACTUAL BUSINESS PLAN"
Only thing is diamond was not sent a request for proposals! They were never told bonus ball would be shopping for vendors. It's a communication and honesty issue.
The time was of the essence and diamond came to the rescue. Once saved and tables shipped. Then deals off! But, hay bonus ball won't say anything about it and string things along.
Greg may have had an offer to partner in a new pool room! But, the tables are tied up in Vegas for bonus ball. Opportunity lost!!!
Again you can't sell what you don't have!
KD
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