today at Rusty's in Ft. Worth Texas.
Ok, today at Rusty's in Ft. Worth Texas.....how about 3 pm?
Ok, today at Rusty's in Ft. Worth Texas.....how about 3 pm?
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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It literally takes thousands of hours to learn all the integrities to this game,
I have the nutz.....although I understand why people would think I don't, however.......be careful
One pocket will look like an easy game compared to what I can show on "Two Shot Shoot Out".....I really think the game needs to be re introduced and I'm going to get some expert advice on how to market it again. The game is only appreciated if you know how it's played well, or, like anything else the beauty is overlooked and this quickly defeats the purpose......the purpose is simple - to show the general public that pocket billiards is THE MASTER GAME.....and indeed it is.
It's a crying shame what's happened to 9 Ball the past 20 years, it's slowly but surely been diluted down to the bones......and it's SO MUCH BETTER when played as it was strategically intended.
What's not "real eyesed" is the positioning of the other balls on the table....this sets up an INCREDIBLE amount of options, and two way shots/safeties/two rail banks/three rail "safe banks"/caroms/etc......of course all the shots have built in safeties and sometimes on the roll out it's very important to re position the object balls.....sometimes two at a time. Shooting off the rails become vitally important as well....and did I mention the SPOT SHOT?
It comes up in crucial situations.
I made over a million dollars playing this game in the 80s......NO ONE gambled at pool that bet high without playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" and when you guys start to see how advanced it is you'll know why.
It literally takes thousands of hours to learn all the integrities to this game, and it makes 9 Ball at least 10, maybe 100 times better strategically. In "One Foul" you have to play the balls as they lie all the time.....but in "Shoot Out" you re position them every time and control the "battle" for the first shot.
'The Game is the Professor'
I have the nutz.....although I understand why people would think I don't, however.......be careful
One pocket will look like an easy game compared to what I can show on "Two Shot Shoot Out".....I really think the game needs to be re introduced and I'm going to get some expert advice on how to market it again. The game is only appreciated if you know how it's played well, or, like anything else the beauty is overlooked and this quickly defeats the purpose......the purpose is simple - to show the general public that pocket billiards is THE MASTER GAME.....and indeed it is. It's a crying shame what's happened to 9 Ball the past 20 years, it's slowly but surely been diluted down to the bones......and it's SO MUCH BETTER when played as it was strategically intended.
What's not "real eyesed" is the positioning of the other balls on the table....this sets up an INCREDIBLE amount of options, and two way shots/safeties/two rail banks/three rail "safe banks"/caroms/etc......of course all the shots have built in safeties and sometimes on the roll out it's very important to re position the object balls.....sometimes two at a time. Shooting off the rails become vitally important as well....and did I mention the SPOT SHOT?
It comes up in crucial situations.I made over a million dollars playing this game in the 80s......NO ONE gambled at pool that bet high without playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" and when you guys start to see how advanced it is you'll know why.
It literally takes thousands of hours to learn all the integrities to this game, and it makes 9 Ball at least 10, maybe 100 times better strategically. In "One Foul" you have to play the balls as they lie all the time.....but in "Shoot Out" you re position them every time and control the "battle" for the first shot.
'The Game is the Professor'
Fully agree.
I have the nutz.....although I understand why people would think I don't, however.......be careful
It's a crying shame what's happened to 9 Ball the past 20 years, it's slowly but surely been diluted down to the bones......and it's SO MUCH BETTER when played as it was strategically intended.
What's not "real eyesed" is the positioning of the other balls on the table....this sets up an INCREDIBLE amount of options, and two way shots/safeties/two rail banks/three rail "safe banks"/caroms/etc......of course all the shots have built in safeties and sometimes on the roll out it's very important to re position the object balls.....sometimes two at a time. Shooting off the rails become vitally important as well....and did I mention the SPOT SHOT?
I made over a million dollars playing this game in the 80s......NO ONE gambled at pool that bet high without playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" and when you guys start to see how advanced it is you'll know why.
It literally takes thousands of hours to learn all the integrities to this game, and it makes 9 Ball at least 10, maybe 100 times better strategically. In "One Foul" you have to play the balls as they lie all the time.....but in "Shoot Out" you re position them every time and control the "battle" for the first shot.
'The Game is the Professor'
I dont think Ive ever played with two shot rules, at least not seriously. Giving it just a little thought has me interested in hearing more from you on this game. I think I like it.
Do you have any old videos you could post on YouTube? I want to see what a match played between two great players looks like, the strategies they use. I cant even find a game of two shot foul online right now.☺
I have the nutz.....although I understand why people would think I don't, however.......be careful
It's a crying shame what's happened to 9 Ball the past 20 years, it's slowly but surely been diluted down to the bones......and it's SO MUCH BETTER when played as it was strategically intended.
What's not "real eyesed" is the positioning of the other balls on the table....this sets up an INCREDIBLE amount of options, and two way shots/safeties/two rail banks/three rail "safe banks"/caroms/etc......of course all the shots have built in safeties and sometimes on the roll out it's very important to re position the object balls.....sometimes two at a time. Shooting off the rails become vitally important as well....and did I mention the SPOT SHOT?
I made over a million dollars playing this game in the 80s......NO ONE gambled at pool that bet high without playing "Two Shot Shoot Out" and when you guys start to see how advanced it is you'll know why.
It literally takes thousands of hours to learn all the integrities to this game, and it makes 9 Ball at least 10, maybe 100 times better strategically. In "One Foul" you have to play the balls as they lie all the time.....but in "Shoot Out" you re position them every time and control the "battle" for the first shot.
'The Game is the Professor'
True, when playing "push-out" 9-Ball you will always have options ON ONE BALL at a time. In One Pocket ON EVERY SHOT you have an infinite number of options on all fifteen balls. There is far more variety and creativity in One Pocket because of this. Comparing push-out 9-Ball to One Pocket is like comparing Checkers to Chess! The Game is the teacher! :thumbup2:
I wouldn't go so far as checkers to chess. And as Stan Shuffett pointed out most people don't understand high level checkers. There is such a thing.
CJ makes some statements that even get his supporters going though!
I'd say that while you do have more options in one pocket when it's your turn you generally only have a very limited amount of moves that are worth considering. Any commentary I have listened to in one hole seems to arrive at those moves pretty quick and rarely do players choose something that was not noticed by the commentators.
I guess it's pretty much the same in two-foul nine ball. There are a lot of moves available but probably only a few which are worth consideration.
I think one pocket and 2 foul nine ball are simply two different games each requiring different skill sets. I am curious though what the spots like 15-5 equate to in 2-foul nine ball?
I agree but it seems like to me the difference would be that two foul 9 ball is in the end still 9 ball. Now this is just logical speculation on my part because I've never seen anyone play it, but it seems to me that at the top level it would still mostly be a runout game with the extra push outs not even needed that much. For that reason alone I don't think it could stand up to one pocket or even straight pool in terms of complexity.
I don't see me trying to learn on the job
I played these rules 1 time that I can think of
Dude get off here and post a picture of the brackets of the open! If you text it to me I'll even post it for you.
Well then, I'm sure that you, as a fellow amateur, will be all over that spot. Let me know how that works out for you ;-)
And guess what? The tables now are tougher now because the pockets are smaller at more events, what with the proliferation of Diamond Pro-Ams.
Lou Figueroa
Not on the job, no. I would think you would have ample time to prepare for the match. I agree there is different strategy involved, comfort zone, etc. But I don't think it would take too long to adjust. Play another pro that way for a couple of weeks, and practice your spot shots with different spins. At that point, I don't think the different format would bother you too much. (Just my opinion of course, not trying to tell you what to do.)
When we had the 2 Foul Push Out tournament in Texas in 2011 a young man asked me how to play. I told him just fire at everything. He won it. Kevin Guimond. CJ played in it but i can't remember if he cashed.( edit. CJ got 5th. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=236383&highlight=Country+Calvin)
I would like to see CJ take the 3 weeks he needs to learn One Pocket and Challenge the winner of the next Fight Night match.
OR
Gene Albrecht will play shoot out 9 ball even.
Let's git the One Pocket on. It's an easy game.
Ray
I would like to see CJ take the 3 weeks he needs to learn One Pocket and Challenge the winner of the next Fight Night match.
OR
Gene Albrecht will play shoot out 9 ball even.
Let's git the One Pocket on. It's an easy game.
Ray
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Here's what I propose...
1. 9 on the break gets spotted, no matter which pocket it goes in. Making the 9 on the break is not a skill shot, and there's no reason to reward a player for getting lucky.
2. The 9 gets racked on the spot*
3. The 9 ball must be called. All other balls can be slopped. A couple reasons for this are most pros don't slop balls in anways, and the problem with call shot in 10ball is that it eliminates the two-way shot.
4. If you're hooked (regardless of the reason), you are allowed to push out. Each player gets one push per rack. The incoming player has the option.
5. All fouls result in ball in hand in the kitchen. If the lowest numbered ball is in the kitchen, it gets spotted. If there is already a ball on the spot, then it goes in front of the spotted ball.
6. Any ball made during a foul get spotted. Same rule applies if a ball is already on the spot (see rule #4).
*I'm not sure on rule #2. I remember hearing somewhere that making the wing ball isn't as automatic (especially with the magic rack) when the 9 is on the spot.
Thoughts?
1. 9 on the break gets spotted, no matter which pocket it goes in. Making the 9 on the break is not a skill shot, and there's no reason to reward a player for getting lucky.
2. The 9 gets racked on the spot*
3. The 9 ball must be called. All other balls can be slopped. A couple reasons for this are most pros don't slop balls in anways, and the problem with call shot in 10ball is that it eliminates the two-way shot.
4. If you're hooked (regardless of the reason), you are allowed to push out. Each player gets one push per rack. The incoming player has the option.
5. All fouls result in ball in hand in the kitchen. If the lowest numbered ball is in the kitchen, it gets spotted. If there is already a ball on the spot, then it goes in front of the spotted ball.
6. Any ball made during a foul get spotted. Same rule applies if a ball is already on the spot (see rule #4).
*I'm not sure on rule #2. I remember hearing somewhere that making the wing ball isn't as automatic (especially with the magic rack) when the 9 is on the spot.
Thoughts?
Roll out
With roll out pool, the shooter will almost Always go for the breakout and try and run out. This aspect creates discussion about the game, the players and ball movements, which is pool. I'd MUCH rather see someone play shape for a breakout than a lock down safe, all day..........................long....................................................
And playing Rempe ''roll out 9 ball'' was brutal when it came to rolling out. He could/would/did cut the hair off the ball in his prime years of playing roll out pool. He was extremely consistent at making those 80 degree cuts along the end rails up and back.
With roll out pool, the shooter will almost Always go for the breakout and try and run out. This aspect creates discussion about the game, the players and ball movements, which is pool. I'd MUCH rather see someone play shape for a breakout than a lock down safe, all day..........................long....................................................
And playing Rempe ''roll out 9 ball'' was brutal when it came to rolling out. He could/would/did cut the hair off the ball in his prime years of playing roll out pool. He was extremely consistent at making those 80 degree cuts along the end rails up and back.