He had a ridiculous number of high runs during that tournament. Maybe the best stretch of 14.1 ever played.
Pros today vs the pros yesterday
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I think Shoot Out vs Shoot to Hit changed the game considerably. There were some Shoot Out Players who played that game so well that they would dominate today......at least in the rotation games. Toby was second to none including Buddy and others playing Shoot Out Nine Ball. My point here is we think that the ball striking today is better? Maybe maybe not. One of the earlier threads talked about Buddy Hall's position play and that is so true. IMO no one played position like the "Rifleman" could. So where does that leave us? Actually this is the conundrum that we cueists have faced forever and will continue to face. Are today's players better than yesteryears players? One thing is for sure.......There are more good players internationally than ever before and that is for all the cue games.
2 foul was already about extinct when I started. But for sure players today play way better safes and kicks. I am a traditionalist in some ways but I am no opponent of jump cues. Because one foul BiH rewards defense to such a degree, there has to be a way to balance things. The best safes don't allow much of a jump and you have to kick accurately, but punishing mediocre safes with easier jumps is OK by me. Jumps take skill too, regardless of the cues making it much easier.
What does that mean?
23DenaliBDE
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Not my comment but there are people like me who would be happy if there were no jump cues. There are people that go a bit further and hate them actively
Sorry, call me a wuss but MMA is just a little too brutal for my liking
The post was but I am no opponent of jump cues.
Does that mean the poster does not mind jump cues?
I think jumping should not be allowed at any time.
CanadianGuy
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better today overall yes, like all games and sports
we do not currently have though anybody that hit the peaks of Efren, Earl, Buddy, and Parica
SVB and Appleton in my mind got close, Alex too, maybe a few others
anybody today would get smoked playing those guys multiple sets
anybody today under the age of 30 seems child like both on and off the table compared to the elite of yesteryear
we do not currently have though anybody that hit the peaks of Efren, Earl, Buddy, and Parica
SVB and Appleton in my mind got close, Alex too, maybe a few others
anybody today would get smoked playing those guys multiple sets
anybody today under the age of 30 seems child like both on and off the table compared to the elite of yesteryear
23DenaliBDE
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That was how I understood it.
23DenaliBDE
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Safer on your brain than boxing though
Has MMA been around long enough to really know that? I don't know anything about it so I suppose there could be good evidence.
23DenaliBDE
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It has actually. The reason that’s true is once you can’t defend yourself, you lose. Also, strikes to the head are a lot fewer compared to boxing. Most boxing matches are not ended by body blows lol. MMA has injuries boxing does not have, but as far as damage to the brain, it’s a big difference
Not really.
Ex MMA fighters are showing heavy CTE already.
Lots bone injuries too.
23DenaliBDE
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Of course that happens. It happens at a lower rate than boxing. I agreed that MMA has injuries boxing doesn’t. They may have more total, I do not know
tomatoshooter
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I feel like boxing is a little more about skill than inflicting damage, although demonstrating that skill inflicts damage. MMA is a little more about inflicting damage, although it takes skill to inflict that damage. It's probably 55-45 either way. And some of the submission holds in MMA, where you tap out because you know your elbow is about to be dislocated, theoretically don't inflict damage, as long as you tap out quickly.
23DenaliBDE
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The only way to win in boxing is inflicting damage lol. If you’ve trained BJJ, you know when you’re caught and when to tap. People are not getting injured in submissions because they did not have a chance to tap. There are a few, one of them being one of the Gracie’s, that have willingly not tapped, knowing the outcome. That’s their choice, but I fail to see the honor. Same as getting caught in a rear naked choke. You can tell when to fight and when to tap. Don’t tap, go to sleep or tap and let your brain receive the blood it requires lol
What I am against far more than jump cues is their use by people who don't know how to use them. Balls flying off the table to disturb those at other tables is a big objection of mine. Likewise, people that can't keep the ball on the table breaking.
If I owned a pool room balls off the table would be loss of game. If not in a tournament then a two to five dollar fine to go in the tip jar or to something that benefits all at the hall would suit me fine.
I see pool as a two dimensional game, flying balls were never meant to be routine before jump cues, I don't think they should be routine now. I will tolerate jump cue use by those that can use them, barely tolerate, but the genie is out of the bottle now. I know everybody has to learn but I do think that there would be far more issues with too short or low of a jump while learning than with balls flying off tables after a few fines and losses of game were handed out.
People buy jump cues then they have to play with their toys. I have played people that averaged two or three jumps a game! Very tempting for their jump cue to suffer some "accidental damage."
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23DenaliBDE
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I would not even argue about you charging me $5 lol. I’m still new enough I might sail one once a month. If I’m using my own cue ball could I pay half?
(On the break)