Questionable/shady dealings here on az opinions wanted

JoshStodola said:
I did not want to reply, but for the first time in my life my opinion is
wanted (according to the thread title).

Here's my opinion: Don't make a trade "deal" unless you enjoy drama.
You see, what you have here is two people both trying to come out as
winners. Wouldn't that just be a perfect slice of humanity pie?!
Unfortunately we live on planet Earth and it doesn't always work out
that way.

I have never traded, and I have never had a problem. That's no
coincidence. I never even imagined the theory of trading pool cues
until I visited these forums, and I still think it is crazy to trade
something with someone you don't even know. Only good friends
are reliable and trustworthy enough to make a trade with, and even
then you risk losing a friendship over a stupid cue.

Every time I see a thread like this I picture two hopeless felons in
a state penitentiary arguing about how many cigarettes they should
give up for a Snickers. I live on the outside. If I want cigarettes, I
buy cigarettes. If I want a Snickers, I buy a Snickers. If I want
something I can't afford, I sell something I already have so that I can
afford it. Or you can spend hours trying to finagle random strangers
online until you come out ahead, at the risk of unnecessary drama
and wasted time that you see here.

Good luck with all this. Quite frankly I wish you iTrader connoisseurs
had your own dedicated forum to argue about who screwed who.
Decide there which person should be lynched. I have honestly had
more interesting arguments with my girlfriend about who scratched
who's back the longest.

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trading surely isn't that big of a deal? youre entitle to your opinion so if its that big to you then it is , so be it. but its gotten veeery popular w/ the dollar being so weak lately and people being down on their luck we've gone back to what got this country to where its at which is the bartering/trade system. for every bad trade deal theres probably at least 15 or so good ones on here. its as simple as seeing something you want more than what you have and trading up. its just like paying money for something. you can get screwed by paying for something just as easy. if someones not honest about the condition of what thye have , well that happens when they sell also. if both people are honest then its as easy as tic tac toe. if someones not honest, which I get it, a lot of people aren't, then they'll get whats coming to them. also trading you can get more than you paid for sometimes.
 
bad deal

brian this ordeal was posted because my cue is stuck in post office limbo. as i said in my original thread i can live without the cue and cash. what got me ticked is that when i went to my post office and found out that my cue could be held for up to 30 days. wouldnt you be mad to? right now by you refusing delivery its causing me to miss out on a potential trade or sale.

and when you say i went on a rant are you frigen kidding me?

did i ever yell at you over the phone? NO
did i ever curse at you on the phone or email? NO
were you given your paypal refund promptly when you asked? YES
would it be normal for the average guy to be a little mad? YES

on the phone i simply stated as a man of your word you should honor our deal. you said well thats not gonna happen right? on my end everything was done as it should. your ebay and itrader feedback mean nothing when you conduct yourself like this. im a big believer in karma i treat people the way i would like to be treated. simple as that.

also never once did i insult you so comments like you must have thin skin and work in the administration part of the jail gets me pissed off more than the cue problem. would you like to see pictures of my 2 stab wounds during riots or numerous reports of assault over my 15 year career so far? and here i am still running tiers with the scum of the earth go figure.
 
This the one reason that I, only do ups or fed ex they have to pay for the delivery!!!!! Also vise versa!!!!!!!!!! Don't let scumb bags ripe people off!!!!!! Get your product your way not his because it sounds that he already had in his mind to be shady deal!!!!! Take it from a person that believed people were honorable. I had to learned the hard way also don't trust anyone!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry feel your pain!!!!
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
brian this ordeal was posted because my cue is stuck in post office limbo. as i said in my original thread i can live without the cue and cash. what got me ticked is that when i went to my post office and found out that my cue could be held for up to 30 days. wouldnt you be mad to? right now by you refusing delivery its causing me to miss out on a potential trade or sale.

and when you say i went on a rant are you frigen kidding me?

did i ever yell at you over the phone? NO
did i ever curse at you on the phone or email? NO
were you given your paypal refund promptly when you asked? YES
would it be normal for the average guy to be a little mad? YES

on the phone i simply stated as a man of your word you should honor our deal. you said well thats not gonna happen right? on my end everything was done as it should. your ebay and itrader feedback mean nothing when you conduct yourself like this. im a big believer in karma i treat people the way i would like to be treated. simple as that.

also never once did i insult you so comments like you must have thin skin and work in the administration part of the jail gets me pissed off more than the cue problem. would you like to see pictures of my 2 stab wounds during riots or numerous reports of assault over my 15 year career so far? and here i am still running tiers with the scum of the earth go figure.
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Ron;

I wanted to do biz with you - you had a cue I wanted and I had one you wanted plus some cash.

We had a meeting of the minds, an agreement was made. I was reminded *right after* we agreed to our deal, that I had promised this cue to someone else - so basically, the trade cue was no longer avail. I *immediately* tried all means of contacting you to no avail. Phone calls, pm's and emails.

You got pissed at me; I apologized for my error, you tried to get strong with me and telling me that my friend will now have to deal with you because you and I had a deal, and that I must take delivery of your cue, and that I was pulling "moves" on you, that was it for me.

Your saying what has you pissed the most and is the reason for this thread is that your cue is in Post Office imbo. Nah, the reason for this thread was so you could call me out in public for not completing our deal.

In my first response I told you that Jenna at my post office confirmed that your package would not be held there and, in fact, it was turned around and is on its way back to you.

EDIT: From USPS.com Your item was returned to the sender on May 9, 2014 at 9:49 am"

So, Ron, the package had just arrived at my po on May 9th and was sent back to you that same morning.

If my sincere apology for making the mistake I did wasn't enough for you then so be it. People make mistakes, I admitted mine, so tar and feather me if you wish.

best,
brian kc
 
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bad deal

brian im done with this i just want my cue back.

never accused you of a move until you stated we technically dont have a deal since both parties arent happy with the trade/deal. thats the move im talking about. no cue in hand just a way out when you decided to cancel the deal.

az community has spoken. i feel like you did me dirty when you went back on your word and refused delivery of my cue. obviously others here agree with me.

i never once said that your friend will have to deal with me. i offered the cue to him to complete our deal. i offered numerous solutions and none were considered.

i also never stated that you have to accept delivery of my cue. i thought that was common courtesy especially since you were the root of the problem.

mistakes are one thing the way you conducted yourself is another
 
POOLPLYR1111 said:
brian im done with this i just want my cue back.

never accused you of a move until you stated we technically dont have a deal since both parties arent happy with the trade/deal. thats the move im talking about. no cue in hand just a way out when you decided to cancel the deal.

az community has spoken. i feel like you did me dirty when you went back on your word and refused delivery of my cue. obviously others here agree with me.

i never once said that your friend will have to deal with me. i offered the cue to him to complete our deal. i offered numerous solutions and none were considered.

i also never stated that you have to accept delivery of my cue. i thought that was common courtesy especially since you were the root of the problem.

mistakes are one thing the way you conducted yourself is another
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Ron,

Thanks for the heads up...
 
This is Crazy! Once you said you would trade you should have done so! Because you told someone they had first shot if you ever sold it and forgot well you traded it Brian. Wow not believing this about Brian.
Sad when the better guy's do this shit!
Ron
 
Looks to me like Brian was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Had he honored the trade and the OP of this thread was the buddy he had promised the cue to on a prior commitment, then it would still be Brian's bad in everyones' eyes. he'd still be getting B-B-Qed on the same deal, with everyone just taking a different side of the triangle.

Brian's problem here is he forgot he made a promise to one guy regarding one of the (just guessing) 40 cues he owns. Total rock and hard place after that and he had to make a choice. Its got to be glass houses if you want to fry him for forgetting.

Wanna say he went the wrong way with his decision. Maybe so, but I think it looks the same either side. He had to let someone down so he chose.

As far as the refused delivery, I've had customers do a return to me that way, its never taken 30 days and it has always gotten here. Its a way for them to return for free. Not saying its the best way, but it is free and it does get the item back and it is still shown in the tracking system.

I get that this is a chance to judge a well-respected and well-intentioned long time contributing member here at AZ. What I don't get is why do it?

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
Looks to me like Brian was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Had he honored the trade and the OP of this thread was the buddy he had promised the cue to on a prior commitment, then it would still be Brian's bad in everyones' eyes. he'd still be getting B-B-Qed on the same deal, with everyone just taking a different side of the triangle.

Brian's problem here is he forgot he made a promise to one guy regarding one of the (just guessing) 40 cues he owns. Total rock and hard place after that and he had to make a choice. Its got to be glass houses if you want to fry him for forgetting.

Wanna say he went the wrong way with his decision. Maybe so, but I think it looks the same either side. He had to let someone down so he chose.

As far as the refused delivery, I've had customers do a return to me that way, its never taken 30 days and it has always gotten here. Its a way for them to return for free. Not saying its the best way, but it is free and it does get the item back and it is still shown in the tracking system.

I get that this is a chance to judge a well-respected and well-intentioned long time contributing member here at AZ. What I don't get is why do it?

Thanks

Kevin
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Thanks for the play by play, but your version is cloudy at best..

I'll simplify it for you..
Brian made a decision..
Brian committed to a deal..
Brian sent money to Ron..

Brian backed out of a deal after Ron sent his cue..
It's that simple..
No excuses..
 
snowmon34 said:
Thanks for the play by play, but your version is cloudy at best..

I'll simplify it for you..
Brian made a decision..
Brian committed to a deal..
Brian sent money to Ron..

Brian backed out of a deal after Ron sent his cue..
It's that simple..
No excuses..
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And your version completely leaves out the fact that Brian made a prior commitment with the cue. I guess you don't see that as important and I think that it is. Regardless of where we stand on this weighty issue I think you would have to admit the prior promise might at least belong in the play-by-play.

Brian committed to two deals.
Brian forgot one of them.
Forgetfulness might slide in as a "character trait" but I really don't think the man can be so judged for it.

Either way he honors one deal and dishonors the other. Its his forgetfulness that put him in that position.
 
kvinbrwr said:
And your version completely leaves out the fact that Brian made a prior commitment with the cue. I guess you don't see that as important and I think that it is. Regardless of where we stand on this weighty issue I think you would have to admit the prior promise might at least belong in the play-by-play.

Brian committed to two deals.
Brian forgot one of them.
Forgetfulness might slide in as a "character trait" but I really don't think the man can be so judged for it.

Either way he honors one deal and dishonors the other. Its his forgetfulness that put him in that position.
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Save your bull$h1^ Kevin..
Its crystal F'n clear what happened here..
 
Guys, everybody can clearly see what happened here. There's really nothing else that needs to be said. This is sad....even more-so that this thread probably would not have even been created if KC hadn't refused delivery of Ron's cue. That's where things really went haywire and got personal. Was a bad decision on top of a bad situation/decision, imo. Hope Ron's cue gets back very soon and folks can get back to doing good biz here.
 
I don't think its BS to say a discussion of the man's honor regarding his commitments can be had without considering all the commitments the man made regarding the cue.

Snowman's; version of the events would fit just the same if Brian had just decided "for no reason at all" to cancel a deal while its in motion. This is not the same as that. He had a reason to break his word and that was to keep his word. either way he goes he breaks his work to one and keeps it with another.

Should he have made 2 different promises regarding the same cue to 2 different people? of course not, but his reason for doing so is he forgot. Lets string him up.

Please

Kevin
 
Actually there are a couple of very disturbing things in the transaction and like he said.. its not all black and white.

However, why not take the delivery, send the cue back, like he should have. it is my understanding that the postage return will be owed by Ron. It is also my understanding that the insurance is not applicable on the return to Ron. My opinion is someone was to cheap to do the right thing. This is my opinion.

The other thing that is disturbing is the use of I'll just say I am unhappy with the deal, or however it was delivered. I do not want to take it out of context since it wasn't said to me. However I see that as a threat to undo the deal before receiving the cue. I probably wouldn't take that as well as Ron did. I don't think I would ever let anyone forget that this person did it to me in this way. If this was said in this way, its absolutely the most douchebag thing I think someone could do in this case.

At a minimum, Ron should have kept any funds UNTIL the cue was back in his possession and HE was ok with the return.

BTW, not that I am doubting Brians intent, but no one here knows if Brian was offered another 100 by someone else. I mean to not pay the return shipping and ensure the safe return on something HE botched, I am sorry, just to many coincidences...

I will give Brian the benefit of the doubt and credit for trying to undo it as quickly as he could, but once the wheels are in motion and agreed upon, the person cancelling has all the obligation to make sure everything ends up back to even, and square one. Regardless of how Ron acted, he had every right to be pissed, and act pissy, Brian you needed to suck it up and do EVERYTHING right.

JV

kvinbrwr said:
I don't think its BS to say a discussion of the man's honor regarding his commitments can be had without considering all the commitments the man made regarding the cue.

Snowman's; version of the events would fit just the same if Brian had just decided "for no reason at all" to cancel a deal while its in motion. This is not the same as that. He had a reason to break his word and that was to keep his word. either way he goes he breaks his work to one and keeps it with another.

Should he have made 2 different promises regarding the same cue to 2 different people? of course not, but his reason for doing so is he forgot. Lets string him up.

Please

Kevin
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classiccues said:
Actually there are a couple of very disturbing things in the transaction and like he said.. its not all black and white.

However, why not take the delivery, send the cue back, like he should have. it is my understanding that the postage return will be owed by Ron. It is also my understanding that the insurance is not applicable on the return to Ron. My opinion is someone was to cheap to do the right thing. This is my opinion.

The other thing that is disturbing is the use of I'll just say I am unhappy with the deal, or however it was delivered. I do not want to take it out of context since it wasn't said to me. However I see that as a threat to undo the deal before receiving the cue. I probably wouldn't take that as well as Ron did. I don't think I would ever let anyone forget that this person did it to me in this way. If this was said in this way, its absolutely the most douchebag thing I think someone could do in this case.

At a minimum, Ron should have kept any funds UNTIL the cue was back in his possession and HE was ok with the return.

BTW, not that I am doubting Brians intent, but no one here knows if Brian was offered another 100 by someone else. I mean to not pay the return shipping and ensure the safe return on something HE botched, I am sorry, just to many coincidences...

I will give Brian the benefit of the doubt and credit for trying to undo it as quickly as he could, but once the wheels are in motion and agreed upon, the person cancelling has all the obligation to make sure everything ends up back to even, and square one. Regardless of how Ron acted, he had every right to be pissed, and act pissy, Brian you needed to suck it up and do EVERYTHING right.

JV
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JV

Brian was cancelling. It was for sure his obligation to send the cue back, which he did. Refusal of delivery is a perfectly valid method, I assume he didn't open it as there was no reason to and that is exactly what refusal of delivery is for. The item is still trackable by the original tracking number and its still insured by the original insurance.

That's my understanding of how it works.

Has the package actually been tracked or are we still going by the words of some disgruntled postal employee that is reported as saying they sat around for 30 days, which is not my experience with the process at all.

I think you are right, its all on Brian to make this right. I guess I just don't see where he hasn't done that. How long ago did he refuse delivery? Seems to me the cue is on the way. How long has it been?

Kevin
 
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JoshStodola said:
I did not want to reply, but for the first time in my life my opinion is
wanted (according to the thread title).

Here's my opinion: Don't make a trade "deal" unless you enjoy drama.
You see, what you have here is two people both trying to come out as
winners. Wouldn't that just be a perfect slice of humanity pie?!
Unfortunately we live on planet Earth and it doesn't always work out
that way.

I have never traded, and I have never had a problem. That's no
coincidence. I never even imagined the theory of trading pool cues
until I visited these forums, and I still think it is crazy to trade
something with someone you don't even know. Only good friends
are reliable and trustworthy enough to make a trade with, and even
then you risk losing a friendship over a stupid cue.

Every time I see a thread like this I picture two hopeless felons in
a state penitentiary arguing about how many cigarettes they should
give up for a Snickers. I live on the outside. If I want cigarettes, I
buy cigarettes. If I want a Snickers, I buy a Snickers. If I want
something I can't afford, I sell something I already have so that I can
afford it. Or you can spend hours trying to finagle random strangers
online until you come out ahead, at the risk of unnecessary drama
and wasted time that you see here.

Good luck with all this. Quite frankly I wish you iTrader connoisseurs
had your own dedicated forum to argue about who screwed who.
Decide there which person should be lynched. I have honestly had
more interesting arguments with my girlfriend about who scratched
who's back the longest.

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Josh, while I do see your logic in that trading can lead to drama, so can buying or selling just about anything. If you're trying to sell a cue, you're looking to get the most out of it as possible within reason. If you're buying a cue, you're trying to get the best deal for the least amount also within reason. Logically, buying a brand new cue should be the least likely avenue of getting a cue that would lead to a headache, but it does, and you can attest to that from your Joss you ordered from Dan. Point is, if you're into acquiring cues one way or another, drama is always possible. The best you can do is just be a reasonable person and do business with others as you would like them to do with you. Simple.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Then I got reminded that I promised a good friend this cue if I ever was going to let it go. wtf! I put myself in a real spot.
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I'm not sure it was ever made clear, is Brian saying that he gave the Jensen to his good friend? Or sold it to his good friend?

If he sold it, then, yeah, he should have just offered that amount of money to Ron to complete the deal. After all, he wanted the TS, right? Did he only want it if it was acquired through a trade?

But, then, if he gave the cue to his friend, then that's a little stickier...

Which was it?
 
reading it over...hope Brian makes it up to Ron in some way. Until Ron gets his cue back safe and sound, Brian is responsible for it's full value (in my opinion).
 
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Precisely why you won't see me selling or trading Cues here any longer.

I will BUY items from those I have dealt with previously and, on occasion, I may
buy from someone whom is known by my friends to be trustworthy.

Selling is done on eBay ONLY. I consistently realize more profit through that venue.
 
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