wincardona said:
Billy, If you put one on in Dallas, I'll come and bring my buddy Harry. I think you've met him before. Oh and one last thing, Efren is BARRED! He can be the Guest Of Honor. We will all bow down and kiss his hand when we enter.
Rating One Pocket Players
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Billy, If you put one on in Dallas, I'll come and bring my buddy Harry. I think you've met him before. Oh and one last thing, Efren is BARRED! He can be the Guest Of Honor. We will all bow down and kiss his hand when we enter.
Rating older players
Billy,
I recall an exibition match between Danny DiLiberto and Ronnie Allen back in the mid to late '80's. They played race to five for $25,000. I know that Danny was probably more known for his straight pool than his one pocket, but, he did play the game pretty good and actually had a big win in
'83 in a 1P tournament. How would you rate his game in this field, or, how many balls underneath the better players? It was a great match and those of you who haven't seen it, it is on tape and well worth the viewing.
wincardona said:
Billy,
I recall an exibition match between Danny DiLiberto and Ronnie Allen back in the mid to late '80's. They played race to five for $25,000. I know that Danny was probably more known for his straight pool than his one pocket, but, he did play the game pretty good and actually had a big win in
'83 in a 1P tournament. How would you rate his game in this field, or, how many balls underneath the better players? It was a great match and those of you who haven't seen it, it is on tape and well worth the viewing.
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Maybe some enterprising poolplayer/sponsor will initiate a Senior's One-Pocket Tournament before the participants forget where to put the baby powder. Maybe Grady will host one at his new room.
As far as my current problems with the ex
As we all reach retirement/Social Security age, we face the same requirements (some of which are harder for poolplayers..imo) of producing birth certificates, death certificates, marriage licenses, DIVORCE PAPERS <for all marriages>, SS cards, I.D., the 10 Commandments, the dead sea scrolls, etc.....in order to receive our stipend
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wincardona said:
Maybe some enterprising poolplayer/sponsor will initiate a Senior's One-Pocket Tournament before the participants forget where to put the baby powder. Maybe Grady will host one at his new room.
As far as my current problems with the ex
As we all reach retirement/Social Security age, we face the same requirements (some of which are harder for poolplayers..imo) of producing birth certificates, death certificates, marriage licenses, DIVORCE PAPERS <for all marriages>, SS cards, I.D., the 10 Commandments, the dead sea scrolls, etc.....in order to receive our stipend
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Souquet and Engert made it through a few rounds at the DCC one hole last year. Engert was knocked out by Jeremy Jones - one of those top 10 guys on Bill's list. From what I heard, they played pretty good. The A-rod comment about cricket was stupid. Are you telling me if you can run 400 in straight pool that you can't learn one-pocket. You're kidding me, right?jsp said:
Blackjack said:
That was a great interview, Dave. That shot may be the greatest shot I have ever seen. Efren fans the ball in and it looks like he is going to be on the wrong side of the stack going 3 rails but he kills the cue ball off the second rail and still has enought speed to get back down to the pack. I have never heard a crowd any louder in approval.
But then there was the cross twice kick/cut and run out. I hope we all are appreciative of what we are so priviladged to see in this, greatest player ever.
hemicudas said:
Bill,
You might like this video too, it shows what a special and humble human being Efren is!
Efren Bata Reyes in Southridge
The Magician
Jay,
Another Reyes story. Reyes and I are very friendly,as you know. I guess it started after he beat me badly in vegas, shortly after Reds tournament in Houston And the last match we played in Vegas I won .I have to admit I tricked him,it was the only way I could of won.I made a game with him playing 9 ball on a certain table getting the 8 & the break for the next day. That night I changed the cloth ,in replace I put a fairly new cloth on the table which increased my ball pocketing production on the break.Even Reyes couldn't over come that. After that I moved to Chicago to live and Reyes also moved there ,and everything The Beard said was true. We played Reyes all summer,many differen't one pocket games. The reason why so many differen't games is that he's the only player that improved drastically from Monday to Tuesday He showed improvement EVERY DAY. Shortly after the summer ended there was a tournament in Atlantic City, I was sitting all alone in the practice room All alone.Reyes walked into the room and didn't acknowledge me,don't forget we were very close at that time. I was sitting in front of a table in a room with about 10 tables. He purposely jointed his cue and started to practice on the table that I was sitting in front of . Never acknowledgeing me. He threw 15 balls out on the table (only on half the table between the side pockets and the foot rail ) there was a lot of congestion. He then proceded to run all balls in rotation. It was a beautifull thing to watch.He ran FOUR CONSECUTIVE RACKS doing the same thing without missing.Never seen, or never will see anything that amazing ever. He then disjointed his cue put it away and left the room without ever looking at me. TRUE STORY.
jay helfert said:Billy, If you put one on in Dallas, I'll come and bring my buddy Harry. I think you've met him before. Oh and one last thing, Efren is BARRED! He can be the Guest Of Honor. We will all bow down and kiss his hand when we enter.
Jay,
Another Reyes story. Reyes and I are very friendly,as you know. I guess it started after he beat me badly in vegas, shortly after Reds tournament in Houston And the last match we played in Vegas I won .I have to admit I tricked him,it was the only way I could of won.I made a game with him playing 9 ball on a certain table getting the 8 & the break for the next day. That night I changed the cloth ,in replace I put a fairly new cloth on the table which increased my ball pocketing production on the break.Even Reyes couldn't over come that. After that I moved to Chicago to live and Reyes also moved there ,and everything The Beard said was true. We played Reyes all summer,many differen't one pocket games. The reason why so many differen't games is that he's the only player that improved drastically from Monday to Tuesday He showed improvement EVERY DAY. Shortly after the summer ended there was a tournament in Atlantic City, I was sitting all alone in the practice room All alone.Reyes walked into the room and didn't acknowledge me,don't forget we were very close at that time. I was sitting in front of a table in a room with about 10 tables. He purposely jointed his cue and started to practice on the table that I was sitting in front of . Never acknowledgeing me. He threw 15 balls out on the table (only on half the table between the side pockets and the foot rail ) there was a lot of congestion. He then proceded to run all balls in rotation. It was a beautifull thing to watch.He ran FOUR CONSECUTIVE RACKS doing the same thing without missing.Never seen, or never will see anything that amazing ever. He then disjointed his cue put it away and left the room without ever looking at me. TRUE STORY.
Blackjack said:
Beautiful! Efren is a gracious and humble human being. What a gift.
He still sees himself as a poor kid from Angeles City who got "lucky".
Are you telling me that if you can hit 500 homeruns in the Majors by age 32, you can't learn how to play cricket?Shawn Armstrong said:
Do you get the point?
A-Rod probably has all the abilities to be a top-notch cricket player, but he hasn't proved that to the world. Have you seen him play cricket lately? A-Rod being outstanding in baseball should not guarantee him a spot on a list of top cricket players.
Likewise for Engert, Souquet, Hohmann, and the other German or Taiwanese greats. Are they capable of playing of great one-pocket? I would say yes...no one really is arguing this with you. Have they proved this to the world? NO. So even considering them on a list of TOP one-pocket players (your initial post) is absurd.
One pocket tournament in Dallas
It would be greatly appreciated if everyone would read my post #22 on the thread One pocket tournament in Dallas I had a hard time bringing it up. I had to type in page 3 to get it to come up. Please read it and help promote this tournament in any way. Thank you Bill Incatrdona
One vjay helfert said:Billy, If you put one on in Dallas, I'll come and bring my buddy Harry. I think you've met him before. Oh and one last thing, Efren is BARRED! He can be the Guest Of Honor. We will all bow down and kiss his hand when we enter.
It would be greatly appreciated if everyone would read my post #22 on the thread One pocket tournament in Dallas I had a hard time bringing it up. I had to type in page 3 to get it to come up. Please read it and help promote this tournament in any way. Thank you Bill Incatrdona
link added to Billy's post
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=70824&page=2
wincardona said:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=70824&page=2
wincardona said:
Thanks Billy. I love this story. It was his little gift to you.
A long, long time ago in Dayton, Eddie Taylor came into the poolroom (Cue and Bridge) that I was working at. He had an exhibiton match scheduled with Joey Spaeth for the next day, although there was some money involved.
I gave him a set of balls and he went to the front table by the counter (George Rood's special table). I was the only one watching him, since it was early in the day. I think he just wanted to get the feel of the table he would be playing on.
Taylor threw all the balls on the table, and banked one cross side. Then he banked another one cross side. He proceeded to bank every ball on the table without missing. All fifteen on his first turn at the table. After the last one, he looked over at me and said "I like the way this table banks". I was speechless. I had seen many good bank pool players before. In fact my mentor was Joe Burns, who was the best in Dayton. But what I just witnessed was something else again. I never forgot that little exhibition.
jay helfert said:
Jay,
That reminds me of a time, mid '90's in Chagrin Valley Billiards, Chagrin, Ohio. Similar situation with Buggs playing Billy, $2000 exhibition. Buggs walked in, and jumped on the front table. (These were the tables that the owner purchased from Alan Hopkins place up east). This table was triple shimmed. Buggs got up, banked in a few long rail, then a bank combo and a couple more and also said, yeah, this table will do fine. Effortlessly,very smooth.
jay helfert said:
Please, please stop, Jay and Billy. You guys are hilarious!! ha, ha, ha,!
I totally get your point about Efren's affinity to one pocket. You guys gave him a boost and the tools to excel and raise the bar on this uniaue game.
Jay, I might see you in Manila in November. I am thinking of getting some well planned vacation time and I'm using it to watch WPC in Manila. Haven't been back since and it's high time I do.
See you in November!!
bayawak aka tirador
"You got the 8 for life!"
wincardona said:
Billy,
Where do you think Ike Runnels ranks?
Thanks
Shawn Armstrong said:
So you make this comment and then hear from the horses mouth who Efren learned from and you don't even acknowledge them... But yet you take jabs at Freddy in the thread about how well he played banks.
It's funny to see how you act like you know something about pool. You are as shallow as a water puddle Mr. Armstrong.
Not About Winning , What Angle ??
What makes you think that if I happen to think a certain way about a controversial issue ,there is something self serving involved? Did you ever stop to think that there are a lot of people in the world that don't get the recognition that they diserve?Furthermore, my opinion was on players that I thought played the best,it wasn't on how poorly players played. There's clearly a difference.If what I have to say in rating a players ability is going to taint or devalue another player, (in their mind)maybe they don't deserve the respect they demand to begin with. How can one sentence spoken by any man derail the accomplishments ,and reputation of another man,especially since it took a lifetime to develope? Lets get real,we should know by now what's real and what's Memorex.And if you don't then I suggest you start asking knowledgeable people. That's usually how it's done. Respetfully, Gamblin Wizard
JimS,JimS said:
What makes you think that if I happen to think a certain way about a controversial issue ,there is something self serving involved? Did you ever stop to think that there are a lot of people in the world that don't get the recognition that they diserve?Furthermore, my opinion was on players that I thought played the best,it wasn't on how poorly players played. There's clearly a difference.If what I have to say in rating a players ability is going to taint or devalue another player, (in their mind)maybe they don't deserve the respect they demand to begin with. How can one sentence spoken by any man derail the accomplishments ,and reputation of another man,especially since it took a lifetime to develope? Lets get real,we should know by now what's real and what's Memorex.And if you don't then I suggest you start asking knowledgeable people. That's usually how it's done. Respetfully, Gamblin Wizard
Mr. Incardona--
What number would you rank yourself in your prime?
Some say for a few years, you were the greatest 9 ball player allive. I would think in the past 40 years, you would rank high in one pocket as well.
By the way, you once said I was the best third base coach ever. I would like to think that I still hold that title.
What number would you rank yourself in your prime?
Some say for a few years, you were the greatest 9 ball player allive. I would think in the past 40 years, you would rank high in one pocket as well.
By the way, you once said I was the best third base coach ever. I would like to think that I still hold that title.
jay helfert said:
Ok. I take Evgeny Stalev
I saw Evgeny play Efren with 7-8 handicap. They played 20gbp (40usd) per rack.
Evgeny wasn't motivated and lost few racks and quit.
Later in the evening Evgeny played Bustamante. I saw Evgeny making amazing shots, his motivation was high. Later I saw Busty paying him some cash and leaving the table with frustration on his face.
I asked Evgeny how much he won. He said "200 pounds (400 dollars), score 5-0". I asked how much he got weight, Evgeny answered "Nothing of course, Bustamante cannot play One Pocket"
Later I saw him beat Efren for few racks also.
That happened in Cardiff, either 01, 02 or 03.
I don't know how much Evgeny's Pyramid career has taken from his pool skills, but I believe he's one of the top One Pocket players in the world today, still.
I'm not a gambler, if I was, I could take easy 5k from you Jay
Ronnie Alcano gave lot's of credit to "russian boy" about 1pkt also..