Real Pool Reality Show crowdfunding

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tableskills said:
I know there are people reading this forum who want to see what we will produce in less than a month. Even if you won't admit it, I'm writing this to you anyway.

Technology has been increasing at such a fast pace that it is allowing anyone with an idea to give that idea a chance. To film a pool match in 4k video quality, and capture audio at over 145dB ranges costs < $1,000. Having low cost production allows us to give 80% of the $10 stream directly to the players.

Even if our idea does not last, I hope that today's world of lower cost hardware can allow many others to try out ideas that could have only been dreams just a decade ago.

I understand that what we are doing is threatening to the already established pool video companies. They have invested thousands of dollars in state of the art equipment. Our concept does not replace anything you do. If anything we give you more exposure. How many people have heard of Darren Appleton's instructional pool video before this post started.

We give all the players on the reality show a stage to show why they use their sponsors equipment. They can talk about anything they want and do anything they want. This is how pool should always be; uncensored.

- Robert, (I donated $10)
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I enjoy photography.
And one of the cameras I own the Canon 5DmkII has been used to film several first rate movies.
Audio equipment I know nothing about , but I do know how much a Canon 5D II can be bought for and some decent glass.
It would be very easy to do video for under 2.5 K for the camera , lens , tripod , and ball head or Gimble

That is not including lighting, or audio .
Independent film and television[edit]

Notable film and television productions that used the Canon 5D Mark II include (in order of release):
The opening title sequence for the 35th season of NBC's Saturday Night Live, first broadcast on 26 September 2009. The camera, alongside the Canon 7D, was used due to its size, which allowed covert shooting on the streets of New York City, and depth of field capabilities, making it a suitable substitute for the series' usual 35mm film.[20]
The documentary film the Conquest of High Passes directed by Wout Conijn and filmed by cinematographer Jean Counet has been shot on the Canon 5D Mark II. The documentary, broadcast on 26 November 2009 by Dutch public broadcaster BOS was shot in Tibet, without permission. The Conquest of High Passes was the first high end documentary being shot on a 5D Mark II in the Netherlands.[citation needed]
The music video for the Japanese band Sakanaction's song "Aruku Around" (2010),a winning entry of the 14th Japan Media Arts Festival, was shot in a single take with a Canon EOS 5D Mark II camera.[21][22]
The House episode "Help Me", broadcast by Fox on 17 May 2010, was shot entirely on the Canon 5D Mark II, replacing the drama's usual 35mm film format.[23][24][25] Portions of the seventh season were also recorded with a 5D Mark II.[26]
The BBC Two comedy series Shelfstackers, first broadcast on 4 September 2010, is the first BBC programme to use the camera. The corporation had initially refused its use due to "lack of quality" but were persuaded otherwise by the series' director, Dom Bridges. All six episodes of the series were shot on the camera for a total budget of £160,000.[27]
The Road to Coronation Street, broadcast by BBC Four on 16 September 2010, is the first UK television drama to be shot on the Canon 5D Mark II. The drama's director of photography was impressed and plans to use the camera on the seventh series of the BBC One drama Hustle.[28]
The 2011 short film Scenes from the Suburbs directed by Spike Jonze used a version of the camera modified to use Panavision lenses to shoot all of the night scenes alongside 35mm film used for the day scenes.[29]
The resurrected Hawaii Five-0 TV series is currently shot using Canon 5DmkII.[30]
Dutch public Broadcaster VPRO's documentary series Backlight used the 5D Mark II for the first time on Bregtje van der Haak's award winning documentary California Dreaming. Cinematographer Jean Counet used both Canon's 5D Mark II and the 7D for the first time for this prime time documentary series changing its regular use of its Sony XDCAM broadcast cameras into DSLRs and EOS cinema cameras.[citation needed]
Behzat Ç. Bir Ankara Polisiyesi, a Turkish TV series is being shot on Canon 5DmkII.[31]
The 2012 film Act of Valor was shot with the use of the Canon 5D Mark II.[32]
Dimensions, a multi-award winning 2012 British period sci-fi feature film, was shot using Canon 5D Mark II for 'less than the price of Batman's cape'.[33]
Marvel's The Avengers is reported to have some Canon 5D MkII shots.[34]
Department, a 2012 Bollywood movie, is reported to have been shot using Canon 5D Mark II[35]
ParaNorman, a 2012 3D stop-motion animated adventure horror film produced by LAIKA, Inc., was shot on sixty Canon 5D Mark II cameras.[36]
Nirel, First International Tulu movie, directed by Ranjith Bajpe, is reported to have been shot using Canon 5D Mark II.[37]
Escape from Tomorrow, a 2013 feature film, was shot guerilla-style with two Canon 5D Mark II cameras at the Disney theme parks.
 
tableskills said:
I know there are people reading this forum who want to see what we will produce in less than a month. Even if you won't admit it, I'm writing this to you anyway.

Technology has been increasing at such a fast pace that it is allowing anyone with an idea to give that idea a chance. To film a pool match in 4k video quality, and capture audio at over 145dB ranges costs < $1,000. Having low cost production allows us to give 80% of the $10 stream directly to the players.

Even if our idea does not last, I hope that today's world of lower cost hardware can allow many others to try out ideas that could have only been dreams just a decade ago.

I understand that what we are doing is threatening to the already established pool video companies. They have invested thousands of dollars in state of the art equipment. Our concept does not replace anything you do. If anything we give you more exposure. How many people have heard of Darren Appleton's instructional pool video before this post started.

We give all the players on the reality show a stage to show why they use their sponsors equipment. They can talk about anything they want and do anything they want. This is how pool should always be; uncensored.

- Robert, (I donated $10)
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Are you a cast member?
 
jimM said:
The fact is that these guys like to hit, but like most bullies, they don't like to be hit back. Read the thread and you will understand why I am responding like I have.

Tell you what. I will write a response from all of you who hate the idea and you can be done with it. You can use it the next time I come on here with another idea.

Dear Mr. Murnak, Our little group at AZ Billiards does not like your new idea to do a Reality show to try to make money for players for many reasons. First off, why would you want to help those lousy pro pool players make money, even though they may be the only point where people may watch pool. And why are you also trying to make the pool profession more viable for future players?

Your idea just can't work. We know because none of our ideas have worked, so we are very experienced in failure. Many people have tried what you are trying to do, even though we really don't know what you are trying to do because we haven't actually seen it yet.

Another reason your idea can't make any difference is because you have no experience like we do. We are professionals and you are not. We know that you are generally 25 years older than us, but our life experience is much greater than yours. The fact that you made a movie that will be screened in the New Filmmakers Film festival in New York in March and you did a Sharks web series that had over 50,000 views, shouldn't give you the idea that you can do a production anywhere close to what we can do, because as we said before, we are professionals. By the way, we hated Sharks too.

And for you to make the most unreasonable request of asking us to buy a $10 video stream is an insulting and disgusting thing for you to do because we never did it. You should go by our rules because in our cumulative experience, we know that what we have done really hasn't helped pool at all and we want to keep it that way.

Now, to enforce our rules to keep you in line, we will find people who are willing to help you and try to humiliate them for even thinking that they should help you or be involved with you.

In summary, we have never said anything bad to you, and you call us Chickens because we will not go public on your show, which by the way is sure to fail, even though as we said before, we really don't know what is in it. We must know all of your thoughts so we can tell you if you can go on. And, who are you, just a maker of over priced cases, of which by the way none of us have, to tell us that you are going to get into our business of making pool great again. Because that's what we do, except we haven't done it yet, but stay out anyway.

The AZ guys
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This is amazing. I never would of guessed you were so far off plumb.
 
The Bonus Ball comparison is apt, so far as how both parties have presented and represented their projects here on AZB
 
AzHousePro said:
This sort of message is completely uncalled for.

That's one.

Mike
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But calling realists "haters" and "chicken" is ok right? It's not the name calling that you have issue with. It's the words used?

I just wanna be clear so I don't step across those invisible lines again.
 
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mia said:
But calling people "haters" and "chicken" is ok right? It's not the name calling that you have issue with. It's the word used?

I just wanna be clear so I don't step across those invisible lines again.
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You have to stay G-rated.
 
@nostroke: The show is following a few different stories. Since I am helping with the production it will show what I do to prepare for the events. We are going to show the match from as many points of view as possible so people get a better idea of what is involved.
 
Mia.....of course it's the words one uses that matters, just like actions.
It's called communicating and words are essential for that to happen.

The words you select to construct your sentences, written or oral,
reflect directly upon your state of mind and opinion about the topic.

So pick the wrong words, or just be indifferent about the ones you use,
it will invariably lead to needless trouble & people have been known to
get sued, get killed, get elected, or even get banned over their words.


Congrats to the House Pro for being vigilant & also for firing a warning shot.
Mia is a good Azer & should not be misjudged because of a slap on the wrist.


However, we really do need to collectively work to tone down the venom that
invariably seems to manifest when a topic under discussion gets to be debated.



Matt B,
 
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JCIN said:
This is amazing. I never would of guessed you were so far off plumb.
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Justin,
Let's stop the over and back with nothing said. I take it that you don't think I have any right or credentials to do my project.

TAR numbers are impressive. I guess they would be considered the Star Wars of pool videos. But should other movie companies not make any other movies?

So just answer a few questions and we will try to get this over with.

Do you think that I should not do my project my way?
Do you think that I should ask anyone's permission to do it?
Are you sure that it is going to fail?

Yes or No will work.

Jim
 
Jim,

Let me preface this post, by admitting that I did not read this entire thread.

I have an idea for your show:

Do you recall when Texas Hold'em first gained popularity on television? The prize pool that was televised, was not the value of the actual prize pool. To build interest in the show, the producers used deception, and showed inflated figures. This led everyone to believe that they could make a million dollars, playing poker. It certainly didn't take long for Texas Hold'em to take off.

Maybe you could do the same thing... The players pay their entry, and play the tournament, as you have described. Though, you make it seem as though they are playing for very high stakes. And, you make it seem as though these tournaments are common, as if it would be easy to make a fortune.

I believe this could work. Look at what made The Color of Money such a hit. It was the idea that money could be made easily, playing this game. That movie was pure fantasy, but it had a huge impact on the game. You could make this reality show, with only a portion of it fantasy, and potentially have the same impact.
 
I would love a reality show similar to House of Cards. Between happenings, the scene pauses while Kevin Spacey looks into the camera and shares his thoughts with the viewers. Pretty cool! I can see a pool player doing that between shots. :grin-square:
 
jimM said:
Do you think that I should not do my project my way?
Do you think that I should ask anyone's permission to do it?
Are you sure that it is going to fail?
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Nobody is laying in front of the tracks saying you can't do your project. Knock yourself out. We've done nothing but tell you it's a bad idea. If you believe in yourself and your project, see it through. Just don't be upset and wonder why it failed. I hope I'm wrong, I have many friends in the cast. I can't wait to see how much they make.
 
cleary said:
In your various attempts to sell video products about pool, how have you done? Sales good?
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Can you see the difference in the quality of something simple - such as the interviews JCIN/CSI did a couple of years ago compared to the interviews that someone linked to Jimmy's YouTube page.
 
I think more people will watch battle rap than any of these videos. You tube has been good to that genre though. I just dont see this blowing up at all.
 
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