Rip-off is official..beware Yuri_b17 and Tim_hong
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Edited because Willee fixed his post.....WilleeCue said:
Anything i can do
hi guys,
i just found this tread ..
have you been able to find out the perpetrator's full real name ? if the guy was living in that other gentleman's home, he must know his real name ...
i know some people on the billiard council here, i can find out if he is a registered player ..
perhaps what you can do is prepare a letter of complaint against him and attach it as a document on a email to me.. i can print it out and put it up in the 2 or 3 more popular places.. perhaps someone will come forward with some info.
my email is : kamdaswani@yahoo.com
or if there is any other way i can help, please let me know..
hi guys,
i just found this tread ..
have you been able to find out the perpetrator's full real name ? if the guy was living in that other gentleman's home, he must know his real name ...
i know some people on the billiard council here, i can find out if he is a registered player ..
perhaps what you can do is prepare a letter of complaint against him and attach it as a document on a email to me.. i can print it out and put it up in the 2 or 3 more popular places.. perhaps someone will come forward with some info.
my email is : kamdaswani@yahoo.com
or if there is any other way i can help, please let me know..
kamdaswani said:
Originally Posted by Bamacues
I received the following email from Yuri Bayanin's email address. I asked him to report the individual and the crime to the Hong Kong police. I am not convinced, however.
Joe
"Hi Sir,
I am the real yuri_b17 in azb forum, i know you have been affected by this fraud, i know this guy and i even introduced him on azb, i have already contacted Mr Juhlin about this. I have been a member of this forum for quite a while now and have had some wonderful transaction with some fellow member there. I have helped and let this guy stayed my house for about a week, he had left this morning and said will be back after 3 days, he had been accessing my azb acct and now i can't even login to it and even my emails, all my passwords had been changed. My last transaction on azb that I am aware of was with Mr. Dave Albrecht, other than this were already out of my consent. I am willing to help in whatever way i can to straighten out this matter, please extend my apologies to the people affected by this and please do not anymore transact with my username yuri_b17 especially on azb. My paypal acct was also used knowing it only now, so I have to cancel it. My identity is being used and even all my personal details is being spread out without me knowing it, and i would not let this thing happen to me and my family. I will not disgrace my reputation that i am building up for just a couple of hundred bucks. I have made some past transactions with some reputable people in the forum and i wanted to keep it that way, sir please keep me posted and i am willing to do anything to straighten up this mess being made by a monster under my name.
Yuri Bayanin "
This is his name kam
royston and jhun just saw the cue yesterday at a pool hall in kowloon .. they know someone in the technical crimes department and are following up .. royston will contact bama directly within the next few days..
The main post offices in most major cities have the cash to do a few maxed money orders. I forget what the max is ($500 I think). That is why they have maximum per money order. I was told to come back after noon once when they would have more cash at a small branch to cash out $800 in money orders. Went back at 2PM and they had enough cash to do it. Mornings are not the time to cash a large money order.Pii said:
This may sound like a stupid question but have you documented all this to PayPal?
I have been dealing with PayPal for 8 years and have never had a problem that they could not fix. I am sure that they are wanting to know every way that someone is using their system to scam people.
Recently I had an ATM issue where I used my PP card at a Chinese ATM and no money came out but the account was debited anyway. I followed PP's instructions to fax an affidavit to them and I attached all the supplemental things I had as well. They refunded me the money within five days of sending the fax.
I am certain that there is someone at PP who can help with this. You might not get your money back but perhaps you can help to close the loophole.
Scammer assholes should burn in hell. I got taken for several cases years ago by someone claiming to be Lee Van Corteza looking for sponsorship. Several cue makers got scammed by the same guy - NOT Lee Van who is a real top Filipino player, but by some scumbag scammer pretending to be him. On the internet no one knows you're a dog.
Here is how you fight the scammers. When they offer to pay via PayPal, ask them for verifiable credit card info and a copy of their identification card or passport. Everyone has a digital camera and can send that info. 10 times out of 10 they won't follow up with that info. And if they do then you can make the decision then.
I used to do this for any inquiries from Indonesia. 100% of them were fraudulent because contact stopped after I sent them the "required information" email. Honest people have no problem to provide extra info.
By the way don't forget to send the screenshots of the buyer posting your cue on another forum. The lowlife will probably cancel his paypal accounts now since he is obviously reading this. If the guy really did have his accounts ripped off then my apologies. Seems kind of fishy that someone who is active on more than one forum would not be on his accounts for enough days for someone else to perpetrate these scams.
And TO THE COMMUNITY - PLEASE OUT THESE THINGS WHEN YOU GET THESE FISHY INQUIRIES. If it seems to be weird then simply post the details without "naming names" and if someone else has the same thing going on they will speak up. This will save people from getting burned. These a-holes will carpet bomb a forum hoping to catch a few people before the forum wises up to the scam. So get in the habit of warning your fellow members of even suspicious activity and it will be a better environment.
I have been dealing with PayPal for 8 years and have never had a problem that they could not fix. I am sure that they are wanting to know every way that someone is using their system to scam people.
Recently I had an ATM issue where I used my PP card at a Chinese ATM and no money came out but the account was debited anyway. I followed PP's instructions to fax an affidavit to them and I attached all the supplemental things I had as well. They refunded me the money within five days of sending the fax.
I am certain that there is someone at PP who can help with this. You might not get your money back but perhaps you can help to close the loophole.
Scammer assholes should burn in hell. I got taken for several cases years ago by someone claiming to be Lee Van Corteza looking for sponsorship. Several cue makers got scammed by the same guy - NOT Lee Van who is a real top Filipino player, but by some scumbag scammer pretending to be him. On the internet no one knows you're a dog.
Here is how you fight the scammers. When they offer to pay via PayPal, ask them for verifiable credit card info and a copy of their identification card or passport. Everyone has a digital camera and can send that info. 10 times out of 10 they won't follow up with that info. And if they do then you can make the decision then.
I used to do this for any inquiries from Indonesia. 100% of them were fraudulent because contact stopped after I sent them the "required information" email. Honest people have no problem to provide extra info.
By the way don't forget to send the screenshots of the buyer posting your cue on another forum. The lowlife will probably cancel his paypal accounts now since he is obviously reading this. If the guy really did have his accounts ripped off then my apologies. Seems kind of fishy that someone who is active on more than one forum would not be on his accounts for enough days for someone else to perpetrate these scams.
And TO THE COMMUNITY - PLEASE OUT THESE THINGS WHEN YOU GET THESE FISHY INQUIRIES. If it seems to be weird then simply post the details without "naming names" and if someone else has the same thing going on they will speak up. This will save people from getting burned. These a-holes will carpet bomb a forum hoping to catch a few people before the forum wises up to the scam. So get in the habit of warning your fellow members of even suspicious activity and it will be a better environment.
this all sucks. i am new to az billards and this kind of stuff really worries
me we need a really good escrow service or just quit shipping anything
to asia or anywhere that allows this let the honest people who will be affected police the scumb bags.just becouse someone is willing to give
a good price for a item does'nt mean it's a good idea to take it.but we are mostly honest people and see the world as we are not as it is. sorry to here about your loss and good luck. eddie
me we need a really good escrow service or just quit shipping anything
to asia or anywhere that allows this let the honest people who will be affected police the scumb bags.just becouse someone is willing to give
a good price for a item does'nt mean it's a good idea to take it.but we are mostly honest people and see the world as we are not as it is. sorry to here about your loss and good luck. eddie
DJKeys said:
As was i. He severed communication when i informed him that the acceptable payment methods were POM and CC.
If history is developed with a potential trading partner i often ship on approval, whereas, if the trading partner is unknown i choose to take NO risk.
food for thought
I recently had a transaction with Yuri B as well on this cue...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112542
Payment was made with 3 seperate accounts on the same day. I thought it was odd but didn't consider further until reading this thread. I still haven't had the chargebacks initated but it sounds like it may only be a matter of time.
The names on the accounts used for my transaction are...
Yuri B with an email address of: by2806@yahoo.com
Ma Ellen with an email address of: waima18@yahoo.com
Ma Cliff with an email address of: byuri72@yahoo.com
I wanted to thank Joe for his initial post on the matter and for Kam from Hong Kong who is going out of his way to assist in the matter.
I will keep everyone posted.
Bryan
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112542
Payment was made with 3 seperate accounts on the same day. I thought it was odd but didn't consider further until reading this thread. I still haven't had the chargebacks initated but it sounds like it may only be a matter of time.
The names on the accounts used for my transaction are...
Yuri B with an email address of: by2806@yahoo.com
Ma Ellen with an email address of: waima18@yahoo.com
Ma Cliff with an email address of: byuri72@yahoo.com
I wanted to thank Joe for his initial post on the matter and for Kam from Hong Kong who is going out of his way to assist in the matter.
I will keep everyone posted.
Bryan
Official rip off
I contacted Tim_hong and he gave me a e-mail address to send photos to. The e-mail address is Ilovepool72@yahoo.com sent pics and glad that I never herd back now. Good luck
I contacted Tim_hong and he gave me a e-mail address to send photos to. The e-mail address is Ilovepool72@yahoo.com sent pics and glad that I never herd back now. Good luck
asiasdad
Banned
I am willing to bet that the honorable
members of AZB from the Far East
would have no problem with this as
I have done business with some of
these Azers exactly as:
(Transfer from I need Help thread)
Selling cues offshore 101
by: Asiasdad
1. PAYPAL SUCKS
www.paypalsucks.com
2. If the buyer will not wire transfer the
funds to pay for the cue, do not sell it to that person.
3. Under no circumstances do you ship a cue without
first removing the funds from your account. I highly
recommend that you set up a special account just for
the purpose of "draining" so you cannot get hit
with a "chargeback".
FWIW: Danny
members of AZB from the Far East
would have no problem with this as
I have done business with some of
these Azers exactly as:
(Transfer from I need Help thread)
Selling cues offshore 101
by: Asiasdad
1. PAYPAL SUCKS
www.paypalsucks.com
2. If the buyer will not wire transfer the
funds to pay for the cue, do not sell it to that person.
3. Under no circumstances do you ship a cue without
first removing the funds from your account. I highly
recommend that you set up a special account just for
the purpose of "draining" so you cannot get hit
with a "chargeback".
FWIW: Danny
Well said
This was a very good post, especially the last two paragraphs.
I used to have the mindset that very few members would want to tarnish their reputation by scamming another member.
I kept getting more and more trusting, and got lazy about checking people out.
When it finally happened to me I realized that it was time to get back to the basics.
One thing that we have never mentioned is the attempted ripoffs.
The idea of this forum being "carpet bombed" is something that never crossed my mind.
Since we seem to be more vulnerable than I thought, a simple discreet post regarding a potential scam or "fishy" inquiry could help protect the good honest members from these low-life's.
JB Cases said:
This was a very good post, especially the last two paragraphs.
I used to have the mindset that very few members would want to tarnish their reputation by scamming another member.
I kept getting more and more trusting, and got lazy about checking people out.
When it finally happened to me I realized that it was time to get back to the basics.
One thing that we have never mentioned is the attempted ripoffs.
The idea of this forum being "carpet bombed" is something that never crossed my mind.
Since we seem to be more vulnerable than I thought, a simple discreet post regarding a potential scam or "fishy" inquiry could help protect the good honest members from these low-life's.
kamdaswani said:
Keep in mind that if he does get busted for the Meucci, that this guy has several other cues in his possesion that he also ripped off from members here.
Heres at least one other.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112945
And probably the BCM that was just mentioned by Bryan.
And there is probably more out there that havent been mentioned yet.
Michael_Hoang is also a potential victim, Justis West Case.
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Bamacues said:
So, my question to you and everyone here, is Paypal out of the question for anyone other than good friends? I am just about convinced that a USPS Money order is the only payment besides Western Union I will accept.