Fart sniffer said:
I like Ronnie too. We always bet on almost every match at a big tourney. The fact remains that he stiffed this guy for $3900. I am just stating my opinion on the subject.
Ronnie Wiseman stiff's me for $3900
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I like Ronnie too. We always bet on almost every match at a big tourney. The fact remains that he stiffed this guy for $3900. I am just stating my opinion on the subject.
Thanks again for the bad rep JAM. As I stated the last time you gave me bad red, I could give 2 shits about it. I don't take posts on this forum as seriously as you do and literally cry about posts on this forum as you have, lol. All hail to the AZ Queen.JAM said:
Fart sniffer said:
I am not on the phone with Ronnie anymore at the time of this writing.
It is my understanding from speaking with him earlier today that Ronnie was paying after each game that he lost, paying CASH MONEY.
There was a coin on the table that was being moved after every loss by Ronnie.
This coin represented SIDE ACTION, side action that Scott Frost was betting with the gentleman pool room owner. Ronnie Wiseman was not betting on the side. Scott Frost was betting on the side.
Even though Ronnie was paying off CASH MONEY after every game, until the last one, the coin kept getting moved. Again, the coin represents the SIDE BET action.
It is true that the last game lost by Ronnie was not paid in full. Ronnie tried to get the monies out of the ATM, but he had already reached his quota for that day and could not remove anymore monies until the next day. There is a limit on ATMs as to how much you can take out each day, and he had already exhausted that limit for that day.
In sum, Ronnie was betting 500 beans a game. He paid off every game, except the last one. The ATM wouldn't give him any more monies.
JAM
Yes you are stating your opinion on the story we were told by the pool room owner.
Now Jam has put out Ronnie Wiseman side of the story, maybe someone can get hold of Frosty and see what he has to say.
You guys all know that there are seven sides to every gambling pool story.
People don't come forward with stuff because they are so afraid of people dumping all over them.
IF someone comes forward, let's just says thanks for the info whether you agree with them or not.
mrs.g
wishing she had cattle
Now Jam has put out Ronnie Wiseman side of the story, maybe someone can get hold of Frosty and see what he has to say.
You guys all know that there are seven sides to every gambling pool story.
People don't come forward with stuff because they are so afraid of people dumping all over them.
IF someone comes forward, let's just says thanks for the info whether you agree with them or not.
mrs.g
wishing she had cattle
tanco said:
I am not AZ Queen. I am a 54-year-old woman who used to have fun on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, long before you ever became a member.
I used to enjoy this forum very much. Today, I am an outcast. So be it. I am definitely not your AZ Queen, as you put it. Rather, I am no good anymore in some folks' eyes, other than to pounce on and have my words picked apart. I don't care anymore. As far as literally crying, I've shed my last tears over this forum. Life is definitely too short, at least for me.
JAM
It's good to have AZB for info
I, for one, am glad that people post these kinds of things (getting stiffed, whether over gambling or purchases of pool equipment), because it serves as a warning to the thousands of other people who visit this site ..... However, it's a serious blow to one's reputation when such things are alleged, and posting these kinds of things should not be taken lightly...for example, what do you think I will associate with Mr. Wiseman's name from now on? Or Mr. Frost? Or for that matter, Mr. Varney?
I, for one, am glad that people post these kinds of things (getting stiffed, whether over gambling or purchases of pool equipment), because it serves as a warning to the thousands of other people who visit this site ..... However, it's a serious blow to one's reputation when such things are alleged, and posting these kinds of things should not be taken lightly...for example, what do you think I will associate with Mr. Wiseman's name from now on? Or Mr. Frost? Or for that matter, Mr. Varney?
Vette I have the league set up for offensive juggernauts to dominate!
Sorry for the thread hijack, need about 10 more coaches
Sorry for the thread hijack, need about 10 more coaches
Maybe I missed something here on this thread, but why didn't Ronnie get the $500 from the bank or ATM the next day and his part would be cleared up? As far as a robbery and someones leg shot off with a shotgun, that would be in the local newspaper, police report, hospital. Easy enough to check if you really care...I don't. Anyone that doesn't post in this day and age for that kind of money is asking to get **cked. Johnnyt
Johnnyt said:
Google is my friend: http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008808120314
Marcus Chambers was off-duty at a Hattiesburg pool parlor where he worked security, when a man entered early Friday morning and robbed the business - shooting Chambers during the act.
The incident is one of two shootings Friday that the Hattiesburg Police Department is investigating. In both incidents, one person was shot, neither fatally.
HPD spokesman Synarus Green said the department hasn't developed any further information in either shooting.
Police said an unidentified man entered the Hattiesburg Green Room pool parlor in the 6500 block of U.S. 49 around 1:25 a.m. Friday and demanded cash from an employee and patrons, including Chambers.
The robbery left Chambers, 37, of Hattiesburg in critical condition at Forrest General Hospital.
Chambers' older brother, Reginald Chambers, said his brother's left leg had to be amputated as a result of the gunshot wound he suffered.
"He's doing good, way better than what he was doing," Reginald Chambers said.
Police described the gunman as a black male, 5 feet, 11 inches tall, in his 20s and weighing 160 to 170 pounds. The man was last seen wearing a tan or brown cap with a white tank-top T-shirt and faded blue jeans.
The man fled the scene, heading north toward a rear parking lot of an area hotel, police said.
The second shooting happened around noon in the 200 block of Jackson Street when an unidentified man shot another man sitting in a vehicle.
Green would not release the victim's name, but described the man's injuries as non-life threatening. The man was taken to a local hospital and treated for a gunshot wound to his left arm.
Green described the gunman as a black male about 5 feet, 8 inches tall, in his early 20s, with dreadlocks in a ponytail and wearing a white, tank-top T-shirt and stone-washed jeans.
"We still haven't determined what the motive was in that (shooting)," Green said.
JAM
JAM said that there are 3 sides to this story. Sounds like there are at least 4 - the room owner, Ronnie, Scott and the truth.
To me, it is too confusing.
The room owner states that Ronnie owes the entire $3900 but there was cash pay off after each game along with a penny moved. Why would you have two separate best with the same person? This part of the room owner's story makes absolutely no sense. Remember the title of this thread is Ronnie Wiseman stiffed me
The room owner states that Ronnie tried to run his debit card - Ronnie states (thru JAM) that he went to the ATM. That is a big difference. Yes an ATM will limit the amount of withdrawal you can have in a 24 hour period. But using your ATM card as a debit, if you have the money in there - you can charge whatever you like. Obviously, if the room owner is telling the truth and the debit card was tried to be used the room owner was willing to pay the fees that he would be incur by the charge company and run it thru the pool room's credit card machine. Which was it - credit card machine or ATM?
Personally, I like Ronnie & Scott and have been around them for years. Not great friends with them but acquantaince and always give my best when I see them. I hate to see anything negative in pool and hope this can be worked out. I could start an entire forum with a multitude of threads that would talk about air barrels, dumping, cheating. This is just the story of the day.
I do give Ronnie credit for at least wanting his side heard. Like I said, hopefully some how the money owed will get paid by the responsible party.
Unless you are gambling at a casino, unfortunately you are putting yourself at risk. Stories like this happen in pool, on the golf course, to bookies as corvette stated.
p.s. JAM - your newspaper article tells almost the entire story.
To me, it is too confusing.
The room owner states that Ronnie owes the entire $3900 but there was cash pay off after each game along with a penny moved. Why would you have two separate best with the same person? This part of the room owner's story makes absolutely no sense. Remember the title of this thread is Ronnie Wiseman stiffed me
The room owner states that Ronnie tried to run his debit card - Ronnie states (thru JAM) that he went to the ATM. That is a big difference. Yes an ATM will limit the amount of withdrawal you can have in a 24 hour period. But using your ATM card as a debit, if you have the money in there - you can charge whatever you like. Obviously, if the room owner is telling the truth and the debit card was tried to be used the room owner was willing to pay the fees that he would be incur by the charge company and run it thru the pool room's credit card machine. Which was it - credit card machine or ATM?
Personally, I like Ronnie & Scott and have been around them for years. Not great friends with them but acquantaince and always give my best when I see them. I hate to see anything negative in pool and hope this can be worked out. I could start an entire forum with a multitude of threads that would talk about air barrels, dumping, cheating. This is just the story of the day.
I do give Ronnie credit for at least wanting his side heard. Like I said, hopefully some how the money owed will get paid by the responsible party.
Unless you are gambling at a casino, unfortunately you are putting yourself at risk. Stories like this happen in pool, on the golf course, to bookies as corvette stated.
p.s. JAM - your newspaper article tells almost the entire story.
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that's for sure
Reminds me of a story my brother told me once......He was betting on a pro basketball game through a bookie and 3 of his co-workers wanted in on the bet too....(each for 100) and he himself bet 200.....well, he calls and somehow makes the bet on the other team by mistake....the right team won, and they're all happy the next day and he calls the bookie who tells him, "you bet the other team," which he denies but the bookie drove to his workplace and played a tape of him on the phone betting on the wrong team....so when he goes back to his co-workers, none of them will pay for the losing bet.....the bottom line was that the bookie scratched the bet because he believed it was a mistake, but told him, " don't ever bet for those guys again...they're not your friends.."
shinobi said:Well stated. Tap tap tap.
PS: If your friend wants to make bets through you to a bookie, looks like you'd better make him post also
Reminds me of a story my brother told me once......He was betting on a pro basketball game through a bookie and 3 of his co-workers wanted in on the bet too....(each for 100) and he himself bet 200.....well, he calls and somehow makes the bet on the other team by mistake....the right team won, and they're all happy the next day and he calls the bookie who tells him, "you bet the other team," which he denies but the bookie drove to his workplace and played a tape of him on the phone betting on the wrong team....so when he goes back to his co-workers, none of them will pay for the losing bet.....the bottom line was that the bookie scratched the bet because he believed it was a mistake, but told him, " don't ever bet for those guys again...they're not your friends.."
Don't Cut The Baby In Half
I was playing $20 eightball with Barbara and buying her glasses of Jagermeister. She continued to play and lose after she'd run out of money and I made her marry me to pay off her debt. We've been happily married for 22 years and she's nearly paid her air barrel off (I've been doing the accounting)...
Clearly, ShawnD should compel Ronnie Wiseman to marry him and in 20-30 years he will be PAID IN FULL.
Doug
(if Ronnie can cook, that's an added Bonus.... imo)
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I was playing $20 eightball with Barbara and buying her glasses of Jagermeister. She continued to play and lose after she'd run out of money and I made her marry me to pay off her debt. We've been happily married for 22 years and she's nearly paid her air barrel off (I've been doing the accounting)...
Clearly, ShawnD should compel Ronnie Wiseman to marry him and in 20-30 years he will be PAID IN FULL.
Doug
(if Ronnie can cook, that's an added Bonus.... imo)
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I know that Ronnie beat Silva Ochoa out of $1500 at Fast Edies last saturday. He seems like a real A-hole anyway. Good luck getting your cash.
Smorgass Bored said:
He should marry Ronnie and then adopt Scott and they could be one big happy family. Ronnie could cook to work his part off and Scott could mow the lawn and take out the garbage. Neither of them, clearly, could handle the family finances.
JAM, did you really give this guy bad rep for this question as he claims? He just asked a question, and I really don't see the big deal, even if you didn't happen to like or appreciate it.tanco said:
IF you did, you sure do seem to like to make good use of the rep system for someone that has repeatedly talked about how it's silly and how people are too worried about it. And if you did, maybe it's time to get over yourself and grow up a little bit and use the system the way that it was intended. I've noticed you doing this to other members as well where your negative rep was way out of line IMO.
IMO bad rep should only be used for the very worst cases of moral or social offenses, not because of a dislike for someone, differences of opinion, or vendettas.
Poolplaya9 said:
If I give red rep or green rep, it really is none of your business how I use the so-called system. And I sure as hell don't owe you an explanation for why I give rep, good or bad.
Maybe you should be more concerned about posters who have been BANNED from this forum five times, only time come back under a new identity. I think it is far more offensive to read the words of a banned man posting as a troll than the usage of this forum's rep system.
Thank you for your opinion.
JAM
instroke75 said:
No. I challenge.
I have to disagree.
You mean to tell me that i am supposed to stop my potential income simply because someone else doesn't have enough sense to take precautions so that they don't get stiffed?
You are way wrong on that.
So you want the whole world to unite and not give the stiffer any action?
You really think pool players think like that? The serious ones who play for a living?
You must be dreaming, cause that's not the pool world that we live in.
Don't blame the guy who gives the stiffer action.
Blame the guy who got stiffed for not taking precautions against it that could have stopped it from happening.
And while you're at it blame the rape victim for wearing the cute skirt, and blame the home burglary victim for forgetting to lock a window.SUPERSTAR said:
Poolplaya9 said:
Great analogy genius!
You obviously don't know the first thing about gambling, do you!
Your just someone who wants to get stiffed.
People should be flocking to gamble with you like flies to honey knowing that!!
We'll play some for a few thousand, and keep in on the wire, RIGHT!?!