Siming Chen

If you don't mind some advice, your physical condition will affect your health, and then will eat away at your game. Start working on it now. I waited too long and am battling the trifecta - Heart disease, Diabetes and High Blood Pressure.

I didn't know how bad shape I was until this year at the SBE. After the first day, I could not walk from my car to the hotel lobby (not even 50 yards).

I joined a gym after I got back and started to work out.


KMRUNOUT said:
I guess getting older is better than the alternative!

For real though, from about age 38 until 42, I went from a B player to an A player. Won a Predator event as an A with 98 players. Got bumped to an A+. Pretty much started about the time I started going regularly to Snookers in RI for their weekly tourney. Being exposed to those pros and open players sure helps.

I am in very good health for my age, terrible physical condition though lol. I keep a good outlook and try to learn something every time I go to the pool table. Also, I try to help others with their pool games, which helps my own game. Hate to say at 44 I might see the first signs of a slight dip. I'm gonna try and push through it though! We'll see.

KMRUNOUT
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one stroke said:
Yep Jean was feared in all games , it would have been good to see just how good she could have been ,
Yes Jasmine does complete very well among the men and really Kelly Fisher has a good power game also be interesting to see if she improves after her set back
But really the point is the overall woman's field is far better today with the Asian players
Yes the squirt might just be the best yet however I'm seeing a group of young men that maybe the best crop of all time so we will have to see how that goes for her

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Absolutely no question that the women's field is far better today than in the past

Basement Dweller's post was about the most thoughtful, logical, and convincing post I have seen on AZB. Well done.
 
Tony_in_MD said:
If you don't mind some advice, your physical condition will affect your health, and then will eat away at your game. Start working on it now. I waited too long and am battling the trifecta - Heart disease, Diabetes and High Blood Pressure.

I didn't know how bad shape I was until this year at the SBE. After the first day, I could not walk from my car to the hotel lobby (not even 50 yards).

I joined a gym after I got back and started to work out.
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Amazing how much working out can reverse all those things in a very short time.
Jason
 
JohnnyOzone said:
Absolutely no question that the women's field is far better today than in the past

Basement Dweller's post was about the most thoughtful, logical, and convincing post I have seen on AZB. Well done.
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His view is thought out but not nessasary true ,, just watch men's top men's events and then watch the woman , the run out affair he speaks of simply does not happen in the Woman's events like it does the men's id love to see accustats for both , but I've watched several matches of both in the last couple days and I just didn't see that ,, remember the only thing that says they are close is Fargo rate the eye test tells me a different story ,
Winner break rotation no way do I see Chen on equal footing with Sky in a long set, in a race to 100 she might get 20 games or more to make it a fair match
The Fargo rate is based on the information at hand and that's almost exclusively tournament play against thier piers in most cases against thier gender , no way I'm buying there is enough data to Analytically come up with decisive numbers at this point as is relatively new I would think it would take a few more years to even come close to that if then

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one stroke said:
His view is thought out but not nessasary true ,, just watch men's top men's events and then watch the woman , the run out affair he speaks of simply does not happen in the Woman's events like it does the men's id love to see accustats for both , but I've watched several matches of both in the last couple days and I just didn't see that ,, remember the only thing that says they are close is Fargo rate the eye test tells me a different story ,
Winner break rotation no way do I see Chen on equal footing with Sky in a long set, in a race to 100 she might get 20 games or more to make it a fair match
The Fargo rate is based on the information at hand and that's almost exclusively tournament play against thier piers in most cases against thier gender , no way I'm buying there is enough data to Analytically come up with decisive numbers at this point as is relatively new I would think it would take a few more years to even come close to that if then

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Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, but it seems to me you are saying BD is wrong, then agreeing with him....?
 
one stroke said:
His view is thought out but not nessasary true ,, just watch men's top men's events and then watch the woman , the run out affair he speaks of simply does not happen in the Woman's events like it does the men's id love to see accustats for both , but I've watched several matches of both in the last couple days and I just didn't see that ,, remember the only thing that says they are close is Fargo rate the eye test tells me a different story ,
Winner break rotation no way do I see Chen on equal footing with Sky in a long set, in a race to 100 she might get 20 games or more to make it a fair match
The Fargo rate is based on the information at hand and that's almost exclusively tournament play against thier piers in most cases against thier gender , no way I'm buying there is enough data to Analytically come up with decisive numbers at this point as is relatively new I would think it would take a few more years to even come close to that if then

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I am agreeing with you 100%. FargoRate is good for the game, but there is no way it will ever be perfectly accurate. You can't compare apples to oranges. That's what I took from his post, anyway.
 
one stroke said:
His view is thought out but not nessasary true ,, just watch men's top men's events and then watch the woman , the run out affair he speaks of simply does not happen in the Woman's events like it does the men's id love to see accustats for both , but I've watched several matches of both in the last couple days and I just didn't see that ,, remember the only thing that says they are close is Fargo rate the eye test tells me a different story ,
Winner break rotation no way do I see Chen on equal footing with Sky in a long set, in a race to 100 she might get 20 games or more to make it a fair match
The Fargo rate is based on the information at hand and that's almost exclusively tournament play against thier piers in most cases against thier gender , no way I'm buying there is enough data to Analytically come up with decisive numbers at this point as is relatively new I would think it would take a few more years to even come close to that if then

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What if she gets the wild 8?
 
one stroke said:
Funny you mentioned that cause I was thinking about that my self , I'm thinking she might not get there with that eiather in a long race but she might

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She could ask for the 7 out then until she gets it right for her backers - China.
 
Mike -- In the "Women vs. Men" video on your website (I wish everyone commenting here would watch it, as well as reading and watching everything else on your website), you show that the Fargo rating for Karen Corr based on only her matches against men is essentially the same as her Fargo rating based on only her matches against women. And you say you did the same thing for Sara Miller of Arizona, a considerably lower-rated player, and got the same result.

I think it would also be interesting to do that for Jennifer Barretta. At 650, she's about a hundred points higher than Sara and 70 points below Karen. She has played in a lot of open events, and how she plays is well known to many of us.

What are the Fargo ratings for Babu, Bibi, and Jennifer? [see the video]

And, then, who are some well known men players at about 650?
 
De420MadHatter said:
Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, but it seems to me you are saying BD is wrong, then agreeing with him....?
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Ya it's kinda both I'm not agreeing it's a run out affair on easy equipment for both , I'm agreeing the eyes don't lie you can clearly see the talent difference

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It would be interesting to do the accustats TPA for the recent international level matches of the top women. We know a top 10 level male pro can get over .950 TPA from time to time. We know a top 100 male pro can get .850 and above, etc. That would be an absolute performance measure for the women, instead of a relative measure like the fargorate.
 
AtLarge said:
Mike -- In the "Women vs. Men" video on your website (I wish everyone commenting here would watch it, as well as reading and watching everything else on your website), you show that the Fargo rating for Karen Corr based on only her matches against men is essentially the same as her Fargo rating based on only her matches against women. And you say you did the same thing for Sara Miller of Arizona, a considerably lower-rated player, and got the same result.

I think it would also be interesting to do that for Jennifer Barretta. At 650, she's about a hundred points higher than Sara and 70 points below Karen. She has played in a lot of open events, and how she plays is well known to many of us.

What are the Fargo ratings for Babu, Bibi, and Jennifer? [see the video]

And, then, who are some well known men players at about 650?
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Same result. If we only look at Jennifer Baretta's 900 games against men, she is shooting at 651 speed.

In her 1100 games against women, she is playing at 648 speed --the same.


Here are a few of those matches --against the top women and against the top men that she has played
 

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iusedtoberich said:
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By 2007 when the beginning of her Fargorate recordings exist, I don't believe she was as good as she was in 1998 to 2001 or so when she was winning practically every tour stop on the WPBA.
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That may be true, and I have no data related to that. My hunch, though, is that it is not true.

My opinion is that her extensive experience against a lot of strong opponents over the last few decades adds to her development--and in particular adds as least as much as the small deficits she might experience from aging. And as a result she is playing as strong now as ever.
 
AtLarge said:
Mike -- In the "Women vs. Men" video on your website (I wish everyone commenting here would watch it, as well as reading and watching everything else on your website), you show that the Fargo rating for Karen Corr based on only her matches against men is essentially the same as her Fargo rating based on only her matches against women. And you say you did the same thing for Sara Miller of Arizona, a considerably lower-rated player, and got the same result.

I think it would also be interesting to do that for Jennifer Barretta. At 650, she's about a hundred points higher than Sara and 70 points below Karen. She has played in a lot of open events, and how she plays is well known to many of us.

What are the Fargo ratings for Babu, Bibi, and Jennifer? [see the video]

And, then, who are some well known men players at about 650?
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The funny part is that at 650 for men, no one cares, so there really are not any well known players at that level. Anyone I can think of that is "good" is over 700.

What does that mean?

KMRUNOUT


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KMRUNOUT said:
The funny part is that at 650 for men, no one cares, so there really are not any well known players at that level. Anyone I can think of that is "good" is over 700.

What does that mean?

KMRUNOUT


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It means Jennifer doesn't play any where near the top women, and the women that do play good are over 700.

The only reason we care about JB is she looks great, and the only time we get to see her is when she plays pool.
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
It means Jennifer doesn't play any where near the top women, and the women that do play good are over 700.

The only reason we care about JB is she looks great, and the only time we get to see her is when she plays pool.
Jason
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You think she's marketing that a bit? I wonder if the photographer was asking her what her Fargo rating was?
 

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