SJM - 2015 Mosconi Cup Trip Report

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If you’re not in the mood for a long post, turn back now. It’s not too late.

I attended the Mosconi in Vegas from beginning to end and here are my impressions.

The Team Itself
Mark Wilson got it right as the two captain’s picks turned out to be our two strongest players. Skyler Woodward was the only member of Team USA that overachieved, Justin Bergman played about his usual speed and SVB, Dechaine and Deuel all played below their usual speed.

All the credit to Mark Wilson, though, as his two wild cards, both of them twenty-somethings, made the grade and showed us that they can contribute for years to come.

We went to bat with a stronger team than that of a year ago and that’s why it was closer. In my opinion, this team played a little below my expectations, as did the 2014 team, but this was a better team and it made for an exciting Mosconi Cup with a lot of exciting matches.

I’d also say that for a team that had two guys in their second Mosconi (Bergman, Dechaine) and a Mosconi rookie (Woodward), this entire team looked comfortable on the big stage.

All five players conducted themselves impeccably and showed good sportsmanship throughout.

Same Old Same Old – USA Terrible at Singles
Despite a very respectable record of 4-4 in the team matches, the USA went a forgettable 3-7 in singles, and only Corey Deuel had a winning record at 1-0, Bergman was 1-2, SVB was 1-2, Woodward was 0-2 and Dechaine 0-1.

The Venue
The setup at the Tropicana was superb, and congratulations to any and all who helped put the event together. Thank you to Barry Hearn and all at Matchroom.

The Break Rule
As far as the rules, I think it has long been determined that nine ball with break from anywhere in the kitchen is too easy for players of this caliber, but this was used a year ago and to the detriment of the world’s best breaker from the center, Shane Van Boening. This year, we had, arguably, the two best breakers from the center in the world in Shane and Mike D, but once again, the break rule eliminated much of this advantage that Team USA might have enjoyed.

The Individual Members of Team USA

Skyler Woodward
Quite appropriately hearing chants of “MVP” anytime he stepped to the table, Skyler was America’s best player in this Mosconi. He was brilliant in the Mosconi-ending Match 18 where he was unlucky to lose to Albin Ouschan’s miracle kick in at double hill which is why his record in singles looks shabby but he was great in doubles. Great debut for Skyler for sure.

Justin Bergman
Bergman was solid most of the way, particularly in his Day 3 win over Appleton, but ultimately, he shot himself in the foot by hooking himself at double hill against Feijen in Match 16 at a time when the US could have pulled with 9-7. Bergman is a rock solid player on the rise, and I’m curious to see how he performs in the biggest “big table” events in 2016, for he is not yet counted among those who can contend for a title at elite events like the DCC 9-ball, Super Billiards Expo, Turning Stone or the US Open 9-ball. I predict 2016 will be a breakout year for Justin.

Shane Van Boening
Not as bad as last year, but Shane still can’t find his form in this event. Admittedly, the break rule in use all but eliminates one of his biggest weapons. All that said, Shane rose to the occasion with two of the best clutch shots in the event in the carom nine to end day 2 and the jump-in of the one ball on Day 4 in the double hill rack against Boyes that led to victory.

Mike Dechaine
Mike was the hero in Match 1, in which he won two of the racks needed for victory. He also had to make a tough nine ball double hill and rose to the occasion. He and Deuel seemed headed for a team victory with a 4-2 lead, but in what could have been the match ending run out, Deuel got Mike on the wrong side of the seven ball, and Mike was not up to the difficult shot presented. The result was, ultimately, a 5-4 loss, in which both were to blame. Mike also had a chance (owning the double hill break) to get to double hill against Ouschan if he made a long, but missable, eight ball in rack eight and he wasn’t up to it. Albin then jumped in the eight to close out the match at 5-3. In Mike’s scotch doubles match with Shane, they lost both of Shane’s two breaks but broke and ran both of Mike’s two breaks, and that’s the only reason Shane had a chance to redeem himself with the double hill carom of the nine, so Mike should get a lot of credit for that win. Mike’s low point certainly came when he and Skyler were paired on Day 3. Mike had actually played perfectly up to a shocking miss on a dead straight nine in the side that would have kept them in the match at 4-3. Despite some solid play along the way, it was a disappointing Mosconi for Mike Dechaine who came up short at some critical junctures.

Corey Deuel
Despite very poor play against Vandenberg, Corey got enough rolls to open a 24-hour bakery and his 5-4 victory got Team USA it first singles win after his four teammates had been beaten. Corey had a solid moment or two along the way, but overall, he was Team USA’s worst ball pocketer and played the worst position of anybody on the team. This was not the same Corey we saw at the US Open 9-ball event just a few weeks ago.

Evaluating Team USA's Play

What Team USA Did Well
Team USA competed! They fought hard every day and made Europe work hard. Europe was 3-2 on Day 1, 3-2 on Day 2, 3-2 on Day 3, and all three matches on Day 4 went double hill. In other words, there were four exciting, competitive, days of play. That’s all one could ask for. I also think Team USA pocketed respectably and broke respectably.

What USA did Just Passably
I’d rate Team USA position play as just passable, and far inferior to that of Team Europe. Pattern play was just OK, and there’s much room for improvement. Bergman’s double hill position play error in Match 16 all but ended the Mosconi Cup, and with Shane on deck, it was a bitter pill to swallow, as Team USA might have had a chance to pull within 9-8.

What Team USA Did Poorly
For the second straight year, their defense and kicking were pitiful. It is impossible to win a Mosconi Cup playing this poorly in the moves game, and this is the biggest difference between Team USA and Team Europe. Maybe they’ll work on this next year, but right now, poor defense and kicking ensure Europe many more good looks at the table than they deserve. In fact, it wasn’t until the final match that Team USA played the moves game really well. Skyler was exceptional against Albin, and lost to a shot that many will, with some justification, call a fluke.

The Officiating
Officiating was superb all week. Nigel Rees and Ken Shuman are two of the elite, and managed both the play and the crowd effectively.

Mosconi MVP
I know that MVP is decided on a points system but maybe that has to change. Neither I nor those to whom I spoke felt Niels deserved to be MVP. Europe’s best player, by quite a bit, was Karl Boyes, and I hereby award him the lesser known but highly coveted “SJM MVP Award” for his performance in the 2015 Mosconi Cup.

The Mosconi Cup Socially
I was pleased to be invited to the after party and it was great. The mood was positive and festive, with the players, coaches, referees, announcers and a whole bunch of fans congregating to share some good times. I caught up with all ten players, the coaches and many friends and fans. I was also pleased to catch up with JimWych, Nigel Rees, Ken Shuman, Jay Helfert, Jerry Briesath, Jerry Forsyth, Mike Panozzo, Pat Fleming, Greg Sullivan, Mark Griffin and many other members of pool royalty.

Fellow AZBer Cuebuddy and I went to Gorilla Billiards twice and, with his buddy John, whom I’d met at the 2013 Mosconi, some pool and three cushion were played by all of us and we had a grand old time.

Sizing It Up for Next Year
In the post-Mosconi interview, Mark Wilson noted “We didn’t play our best.” Indeed they didn’t, but Mark, quite rightly, reminded his team of it, and perhaps they’ll take it to heart that they still have a long way to go if they want to beat Team Europe. I feel a lot better than I did a year ago, though, because with a nucleus of three twenty-somethings, the future is starting to look bright. Much work to be done, but our guys have bought in. Thanks to Mark Wilson and assistant Don Wardell for all their hard work in putting together and preparing the team.
 
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SJM, I was 5 feet away from meeting you at the after party. Someone asked me if I had eve met SJM because he is over there. I was about to come over and say hi but at that point their was loud techno music playing and I really didn't want to have to yell at you to hold a conversation. I figured I would see you when things calmed down a bit but that never happened. Hopefully next time.

As far as your evaluations, I can agree and disagree with some as it should be. I am now back home and licking my Vegas wounds. Great time as usual at Mosconi Cup. Glad its only once a year though as I am getting too old for this :)
 
Great report Stu and spot on about Karl, Niels was a monster and played great. I kept waiting for Karl to dog it....it never happened. Karl could have been picked MVP in my judgement also.

Your player analysis is also very good as is your assessment of the teams.
Kicking at balls killed us early in the event, some of these missed shots were shockers to me but I know the players were not just trying to make the hit but trying to hit the edge of the object ball.

I'm glad the party was fun, the airport was not with a two hour delay with our flight.:(

Thanks for the lessons on the 3C tables its a very entertaining game.
 
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Always nice to see you too bud. Your observations carry a lot of weight with me, as you know from what you speak.
 
If you’re not in the mood for a long post, turn back now. It’s not too late.

I attended the Mosconi in Vegas from beginning to end and here are my impressions.

The Team Itself
Mark Wilson got it right as the two captain’s picks turned out to be our two strongest players. Skyler Woodward was the only member of Team USA that overachieved, Justin Bergman played about his usual speed and SVB, Dechaine and Deuel all played below their usual speed.

All the credit to Mark Wilson, though, as his two wild cards, both of them twenty-somethings, made the grade and showed us that they can contribute for years to come.

We went to bat with a stronger team than that of a year ago and that’s why it was closer. In my opinion, this team played a little below my expectations, as did the 2014 team, but this was a better team and it made for an exciting Mosconi Cup with a lot of exciting matches.

I’d also say that for a team that had two guys in their second Mosconi (Bergman, Dechaine) and a Mosconi rookie (Woodward), this entire team looked comfortable on the big stage.

All five players conducted themselves impeccably and showed good sportsmanship throughout.

Same Old Same Old – USA Terrible at Singles
Despite a very respectable record of 4-4 in the team matches, the USA went a forgettable 3-7 in singles, and only Corey Deuel had a winning record at 1-0, Bergman was 1-2, SVB was 1-2, Woodward was 0-2 and Dechaine 0-1.

The Venue
The setup at the Tropicana was superb, and congratulations to any and all who helped put the event together. Thank you to Barry Hearn and all at Matchroom.

The Break Rule
As far as the rules, I think it has long been determined that nine ball with break from anywhere in the kitchen is too easy for players of this caliber, but this was used a year ago and to the detriment of the world’s best breaker from the center, Shane Van Boening. This year, we had, arguably, the two best breakers from the center in the world in Shane and Mike D, but once again, the break rule eliminated much of this advantage that Team USA might have enjoyed.

The Individual Members of Team USA

Skyler Woodward
Quite appropriately hearing chants of “MVP” anytime he stepped to the table, Skyler was America’s best player in this Mosconi. He was brilliant in the Mosconi-ending Match 17 where he was unlucky to lose to Albin Ouschan’s miracle kick in at double hill which is why his record in singles looks shabby but he was great in doubles. Great debut for Skyler for sure.

Justin Bergman
Bergman was solid most of the way, particularly in his Day 3 win over Appleton, but ultimately, he shot himself in the foot by hooking himself at double hill against Feijen in Match 16 at a time when the US could have pulled with 9-7. Bergman is a rock solid player on the rise, and I’m curious to see how he performs in the biggest “big table” events in 2016, for he is not yet counted among those who can contend for a title at elite events like the DCC 9-ball, Super Billiards Expo, Turning Stone or the US Open 9-ball. I predict 2016 will be a breakout year for Justin.

Shane Van Boening
Not as bad as last year, but Shane still can’t find his form in this event. Admittedly, the break rule in use all but eliminates one of his biggest weapons. All that said, Shane rose to the occasion with two of the best clutch shots in the event in the carom nine to end day 2 and the jump-in of the one ball on Day 4 in the double hill rack against Boyes that led to victory.

Mike Dechaine
Mike was the hero in Match 1, in which he won two of the racks needed for victory. He also had to make a tough nine ball double hill and rose to the occasion. He and Deuel seemed headed for a team victory with a 4-2 lead, but in what could have been the match ending run out, Deuel got Mike on the wrong side of the seven ball, and Mike was not up to the difficult shot presented. The result was, ultimately, a 5-4 loss, in which both were to blame. Mike also had a chance (owning the double hill break) to get to double hill against Ouschan if he made a long, but missable, eight ball in rack eight and he wasn’t up to it. Albin then jumped in the eight to close out the match at 5-3. In Mike’s scotch doubles match with Shane, they lost both of Shane’s two breaks but broke and ran both of Mike’s two breaks, and that’s the only reason Shane had a chance to redeem himself with the double hill carom of the nine, so Mike should get a lot of credit for that win. Mike’s low point certainly came when he and Skyler were paired on Day 3. Mike had actually played perfectly up to a shocking miss on a dead straight nine in the side that would have kept them in the match at 4-3. Despite some solid play along the way, it was a disappointing Mosconi for Mike Dechaine who came up short at some critical junctures.

Corey Deuel
Despite very poor play against Vandenberg, Corey got enough rolls to open a 24-hour bakery and his 5-4 victory got Team USA it first singles win after his four teammates had been beaten. Corey had a solid moment or two along the way, but overall, he was Team USA’s worst ball pocketer and played the worst position of anybody on the team. This was not the same Corey we saw at the US Open 9-ball event just a few weeks ago.

Evaluating Team USA's Play

What Team USA Did Well
Team USA competed! They fought hard every day and made Europe work hard. Europe was 3-2 on Day 1, 3-2 on Day 2, 3-2 on Day 3, and all three matches on Day 4 went double hill. In other words, there were four exciting, competitive, days of play. That’s all one could ask for. I also think Team USA pocketed respectably and broke respectably.

What USA did Just Passably
I’d rate Team USA position play as just passable, and far inferior to that of Team Europe. Pattern play was just OK, and there’s much room for improvement. Bergman’s double hill position play error in Match 16 all but ended the Mosconi Cup, and with Shane on deck, it was a bitter pill to swallow, as Team USA might have had a chance to pull within 9-8.

What Team USA Did Poorly
For the second straight year, that defense and kicking were pitiful. It is impossible to win a Mosconi Cup playing this poorly in the moves game, and this is the biggest difference between Team USA and Team Europe. Maybe they’ll work on this next year, but right now, poor defense and kicking ensure Europe many more good looks at the table than they deserve. In fact, it wasn’t until the final match that Team USA played the moves game really well. Skyler was exceptional against Albin, and lost to a shot that many will, with some justification, call a fluke.

The Officiating
Officiating was superb all week. Nigel Reese and Ken Schuman are two of the elite, and managed both the play and the crowd effectively.

Mosconi MVP
I know that MVP is decided on a points system but maybe that has to change. Neither I nor those to whom I spoke felt Niels deserved to be MVP. Europe’s best player, by quite a bit, was Karl Boyes, and I hereby award him the lesser known but highly coveted “SJM MVP Award” for his performance in the 2015 Mosconi Cup.

The Mosconi Cup Socially
I was pleased to be invited to the after party and it was great. The mood was positive and festive, with both teams and all the coaches, referees, announcers and a whole bunch of fans congregated to share some good times. I caught up with all ten players, the coaches and many friends and fans. I was also pleased to catch up with JimWych, Nigel Rees, Ken Shuman, Jay Helfert, Jerry Briesath, Jerry Forsyth, Mike Panozzo, Pat Fleming, Greg Sullivan, and many other members of pool royalty.

Fellow AZBer Cuebuddy and I went to Gorilla Billiards twice and, with his buddy John, whom I’d met at the 2013 Mosconi, some pool and three cushion were played by all of us and we had a grand old time.

Sizing It Up for Next Year
In the post-Mosconi interview, Mark Wilson noted “We didn’t play our best.” Indeed they didn’t, but Mark, quite rightly, reminded his team of it, and perhaps they’ll take it to heart that they still have a long way to go if they want to beat Team Europe. I feel a lot better than I did a year ago, though, because with a nucleus of three twenty-somethings, the future is starting to look bright. Much work to be done, but our guys have bought in. Thanks to Mark Wilson and assistant Don Wardell for all their hard work in putting together and preparing the team.

Awesome insight friend!
 
Thanks for the report, right on .
In my opinion, although water under the bridge, is that M. Dechaine should have been selected last year. Which would have (maybe) helped his performance this year.
 
Stu, thanks for sharing your keen observations and so elegantly documented. It was a pleasure to meet you at the MC. Best Regards, Hal
 
Great report Stu and spot on about Karl ....

It has covered only these last 4 years, but Boyes' career Cup record is quite remarkable. In singles, he has gone, in order, 1-1, 1-0, 1-0, and 1-1, for an overall 4-2. In doubles, he has gone 3-0, 2-1, 2-1, and 3-0, for an overall 10-2. Never a losing record in either singles or doubles.

And this year, he probably would have been MVP if he hadn't had 3 of 4 failed breaks (including 2 scratches) in his losing singles match with SVB.

He has been quite a performer in these pressure-packed short races.
 
And this year, he probably would have been MVP if he hadn't had 3 of 4 failed breaks (including 2 scratches) in his losing singles match with SVB.

He has been quite a performer in these pressure-packed short races.

Actually, not quite. The Mosconi MVP award is not by vote but instead by a point system that awards players a full point for a singles win and half a point for a doubles win. Niels won this award because of Bergman's improbable error three balls from the finish line in Match 16, which gave him the point that made the difference, but Niels didn't play well in this back-from-the-dead victory. Contrastingly, in Match 17, Boyes played well but lost to SVB's jump-in of the one ball at double hill.

The eye test says Boyes was Team Europe's best player this year, not Niels. Had this been decided by vote, as I feel should have been the case, there's not a doubt in my mind that Boyes would have been MVP.
 
Actually, not quite. The Mosconi MVP award is not by vote but instead by a point system that awards players a full point for a singles win and half a point for a doubles win. Niels won this award because of Bergman's improbable error three balls from the finish line in Match 16, which gave him the point that made the difference, but Niels didn't play well in this back-from-the-dead victory. Contrastingly, in Match 17, Boyes played well but lost to SVB's jump-in of the one ball at double hill.

The eye test says Boyes was Team Europe's best player this year, not Niels. Had this been decided by vote, as I feel should have been the case, there's not a doubt in my mind that Boyes would have been MVP.

My comment about Boyes' failed breaks against SVB was intended to convey my impression that Boyes might well have won that match without those breaking failures. SVB ran out the game after both of Boyes' breaking fouls, and that accounted for 2 of SVB's 5 game wins.

And if Boyes had won that match with SVB, he would have been undefeated in both singles (2-0) and doubles (3-0), and he would have tied Niels with 3½ points for the MVP. But I don't know what the tie-breaker is in that situation, so my use of the word "probably" in my last post might not have been appropriate. But you and I both would have wanted Boyes as the MVP in that situation!

Without that win by Boyes against SVB, however, it doesn't bother me that Feijen got the MVP. He won 3 singles matches (one way or another) and made the largest numerical contribution (3½ points) to Europe's 11 match points.
 
My comment about Boyes' failed breaks against SVB was intended to convey my impression that Boyes might well have won that match without those breaking failures. SVB ran out the game after both of Boyes' breaking fouls, and that accounted for 2 of SVB's 5 game wins.

And if Boyes had won that match with SVB, he would have been undefeated in both singles (2-0) and doubles (3-0), and he would have tied Niels with 3½ points for the MVP. But I don't know what the tie-breaker is in that situation, so my use of the word "probably" in my last post might not have been appropriate. But you and I both would have wanted Boyes as the MVP in that situation!

Without that win by Boyes against SVB, however, it doesn't bother me that Feijen got the MVP. He won 3 singles matches (one way or another) and made the largest numerical contribution (3½ points) to Europe's 11 match points.

Agreed for sure.
 
Thanks for your take on it sir. As always an astute judgement of what transpired. Although I feel your take on Corey is a bit too kind. He was just a flat dog in this event.
 
Thanks for your take on it sir. As always an astute judgement of what transpired. Although I feel your take on Corey is a bit too kind. He was just a flat dog in this event.

Corey made two of the best shots of this MC but still, yes he was a sub par performer overall.

I noticed his hands shaking on a close up view and I think I saw similar in last years MC in a doubles match he was playing in with John Schmidt.

I wonder, is it possible that the pressure-packed environment of MC effects him more than most?

Stu, thank you very much for your report. As always, fair, accurate and comprehensive. :thumbup:

best,
brian kc
 
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SJM, I was 5 feet away from meeting you at the after party. Someone asked me if I had eve met SJM because he is over there. I was about to come over and say hi but at that point their was loud techno music playing and I really didn't want to have to yell at you to hold a conversation. I figured I would see you when things calmed down a bit but that never happened. Hopefully next time.

As far as your evaluations, I can agree and disagree with some as it should be. I am now back home and licking my Vegas wounds. Great time as usual at Mosconi Cup. Glad its only once a year though as I am getting too old for this :)

Yes, Mr. Bond said he'd introduce us after I requested it but it never happened. Some other time, I hope.
 
There aren't enough superlatives to describe the quality of your reports.

Thanks for sharing.

JoeyA
 
Stu, thanks for sharing your keen observations and so elegantly documented. It was a pleasure to meet you at the MC. Best Regards, Hal

Yes, glad we had the opportunity. Hope to see you again on the tournament trail.
 
Great report Stu and spot on about Karl, Niels was a monster and played great. I kept waiting for Karl to dog it....it never happened. Karl could have been picked MVP in my judgement also.

Your player analysis is also very good as is your assessment of the teams.
Kicking at balls killed us early in the event, some of these missed shots were shockers to me but I know the players were not just trying to make the hit but trying to hit the edge of the object ball.

I'm glad the party was fun, the airport was not with a two hour delay with our flight.:(

Thanks for the lessons on the 3C tables its a very entertaining game.

Rest assured, catching up with you was one of the highlights of my Mosconi trip. Hope our paths cross again soon.
 
Bergman out played them all. He broke better, he pocketed balls better and had much better position play. He would have been 2-1 in singles if that last cue ball doesn't come off at a 90 degree angle when it hit the second rail. And he had a bad skid of a 7 ball in another match. Also he faced the tougher of the Eurooean players. Last year I convinced Mark to put up Schmidt first to try to steal a win in singles which he did with the first match. He should have done the same this year with DeChaine. That would have led to better match ups on Day 2 and 3.

Sky played good but he didn't play better than SVB. I think people are giving Sky increased props cause he was the rookie and only 22. He played solid but not as good as SVB. I do love the way Sky never babies a ball into the pocket, he shoots every ball with confidence. Even that shot on the 8, that lead to MD missing the 9 --- Sky jacked up and popped it to give MD much better shape. I thought it was a gutsy shot.
 
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