Straight Grain shaft with No Ferrule!! Wow

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Hi Guys,

I've started making shaft without ferrule and collar. I only choose shaft that have even tight straight grain and I just can't believe how good they play. Why isn't these more of these out there. I believe not many are doing this and I've seen that Cash Cue were one the first that have started to revised this design. Now that we have good layered tip, the tip can become the substitute for the ferrule and it play naturally great. On these 2 shafts, I have Molavia Hard tips installed...and they play so damn sweet!!! I love ivory ferrule shaft and I think love these better!! The hit is so solid and natural.

Here's pics of the two that I made:

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Regards,
Duc.
 
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Sorry pics are up now.

I believe this concept was introduce in the past but back then no one had layered tips...now that we have much better quality tip...this design may work. I believe if this design use only quality shafts it will work...I've tried one on a crappy shaft and play like crap.

BTW, the shaft weight in at 4.05 oz for one and the other is 3.6 oz with no collar or ferrule!!! the 4.05 oz hit amazing...the straight grain is near perfect from the top to the bottom of the shaft and are near perfectly spaced for a consist hit and feel. Just love these shafts.
 
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I've done this for years. I would advise you to put a fiber pad under the tip, it will protect the shaft a lot better.
 
Thanks Sheldon,

Wouldn't adding the fiber pad change the hit?

I can do anything with these shafts...I did power draw and follow with no problems. The hard molavia tips are the best for these shafts with no ferrule. I will be building 5 more shafts with different characteristic for testing. I have a match set with 3-4 grain lines that weight over 4.2 oz each near finish sizes, a nice curly maple shaft and a very dense 4.70 oz shaft that I'm going to test.

I just can't believe how good they play, never done this before and glad that I did because that how I want all of my shafts to be without collar or ferrule. The only issue is how do you keep the shaft from getting dirty at the tip area.

Regards,
Duc.


Sheldon said:
I've done this for years. I would advise you to put a fiber pad under the tip, it will protect the shaft a lot better.
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You might try applying 3-4 coats of cyano on the first inch, with careful sanding and polishing.

Martin



Duc sez:The only issue is how do you keep the shaft from getting dirty at the tip area.
 
I got a shaft from Will Adcock with no ferrule. He applied cyno to the first inch. Looks quite nice and of course, easy to clean.
 
For those that like their sights white like a ferrule, just tape off 1" back, paint white then ca over. could be blended a bit but still may feel a slight line at the tape edge, cause It may not level out completely without sanding through or undercutting the area slightly, but It may give the appearance of a ferrule. 1 of the problems I have heard a few people have issues with is that they use the white ferrule as a sight, I also know that the bluing gets really bad right behind the tip,so that may solve both complaints. Either way, and like Sheldon mentioned, I think a tip pad would be a good Idea.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Guys,

I've started making shaft without ferrule and collar. I only choose shaft that have even tight straight grain and I just can't believe how good they play. Why isn't these more of these out there. I believe not many are doing this and I've seen that Cash Cue were one the first that have started to revised this design. Now that we have good layered tip, the tip can become the substitute for the ferrule and it play naturally great. On these 2 shafts, I have Molavia Hard tips installed...and they play so damn sweet!!! I love ivory ferrule shaft and I think love these better!! The hit is so solid and natural.

Here's pics of the two that I made:

312477119_o.jpg


312477032_o.jpg


Regards,
Duc.
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maybe my eyes are getting worse,
but what is it that i'm seeing (or think i'm seeing :wink:) under the tip ??? . it looks white to me
 
My new cue from Chuck Starkey has a pad, no ferrule and Super Pro tip. Plays great.
 
My son made a good bit of these with just a fiber backing pad and no ferrule. Most of them wound up with a ring getting worn into the wood behine the tip from chalking. The wood is much softer than a ferrule and more likely to get damaged. But he loved the way they played. Now he is getting one player after another to switch to black ferrules. He plays pretty good and it seems in his circle a lot of people want to play with what he plays with. Now he is experimenting with a new shaft design, that probably will also go over really well locally at least. Don't ask what he is doing as I won't tell. :)
 
You know, I read in the Brunswick 1912 (I believe it was that year) catalog that all there cues came sans a ferrule but with an option for a ferrule addition. A fiber ferrule was an additional .20 cents and you could have an ivory instead for .25 cents.

Dick
 
I think the main factor that makes ferrule-less shafts play so well is the solid Maple, as opposed to glued together strips to form a shaft. You must use a pad, from our research, and the more dense the shaft, the better it performs.
 
It amazes me how careless a lots people are....
It's not so hard to chalk a cue without getting the chalk all over your hands, the cue, and the table!

Another thing that makes me shake my head, are the people that constantly shape, pick, scuff, or otherwise grind on their poor tips.

With the pigskin tips we have now, if you chalk properly, you NEVER need to shape or scuff your tip. The chalking does it all for you.

Hold your cue at an angle that prevents chalk dust from falling into the hand holding it. Slowly rotate the cue as you brush the chalk from the center of the tip to the edge. Use the corners of the cube if there's a hole drilled in it from improper use.

Piss off your repair person by only needing a tip once a year... :grin:
 
I agree - there's no need to make a mess when chalking the tip. Even the ferrules on my pre-cat 314's, which are noted for the ferrules being easily discolored, are still comparatively clean after LOTS of play.
I won't agree about NEVER needing to scuff a tip. They do get slicked up even with religious chalking ( I carry my own chalk & use it after nearly every shot like 2nd nature.)
The layered tips have adhesive between the layers, and it's not meant to hold chalk. If nothing else, you'll occaisionally need to scuff away the hard adhesive area as it becomes freshly exposed.
Even the best tips are cheap. Dirt cheap when you amortize the hours of use you get per dollars invested.
 
hangemhigh said:
I think the main factor that makes ferrule-less shafts play so well is the solid Maple, as opposed to glued together strips to form a shaft. You must use a pad, from our research, and the more dense the shaft, the better it performs.
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Totally agreed!! The maple shafts that I've selected have almost perfect straight grain and they're dense. The hit with these shafts are so clean and pure...I always thought that the ivory ferrule shafts were the best playing...never realized that without them...they play even better.

Another thing...good quality maple has natural deflection. I was told that no matter how you turn the wood...they will deflect consistently 360 degree. I think the fact that wood is less dense also help with the deflection and the natural sound of wood is very pleasing to the ears.

Regards,
Duc.
 
greyghost said:
duk you couldn't make a good cue much less a good shaft if god helped you, name that shaft the con-shaft. you just get factory seconds for cue makers to repair to falsely advertise their names on them so you can make a buck, i wish people like you would disappear form this forum of good people

The worst of luck to you,
Greyghost
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Now this is out of line. I think you need to take your own advice and disappear!!

I understand you are trying to help Joel but get your facts straight before you decide to flame someone. First, I'm not the one that built the dubious site that sell the OMNI Bridge for 99.00. My original listing on my site www.customcuesandtips.com for the OMNI bridge was direct at www.highrollerbilliards.com which has been reference to the http://www.secretsharksociety.com/ link. On my site it was listed at 34.99 per instructions from Joel and its link directly to Joel's original site. I haven't visited my listing for years until now.

I haven't been repairing or building cues for very long but if Jose Parica can use my conversion cue and custom shaft to play in the US Open than I'm happy with my work so far. I'm gave Jose one of my custom shaft without ferrule to try out at the US Open and havn't received any feedback from him yet but I think he will really like how it plays.

Joel is a friend and in the past I didn't clarify a listing on a conversion that he built for me where some members on this site was bashing for the void in veneers. I've clarified the issue and told other that the blank Joel used for me was defective and Joel did the best to finish the cue for me. Joel contact me personally to let me know of this issue and I've clarified my listing accordingly.

Here's the cue in questions...still the best player out there..everything is original except for the leather wrap that I've installed (The original shaft taper is untouch)..the other shaft from an Adam cue that plays decent with this butt. The original shaft that Joel pick for this cue is the nutz!!:
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As it turn out, the very cue that people bashed me on happens to be one of the best playing cue that I've played with and many professional that have played with the cues agreed!! Jose Parica, tell me he love the sound the the cue makes when he shoot. I'm was very proud to tell them all that Joel did the conversion using my short splice blank and his construction technique. For well over 2 plus years now, the weinstock has been my playing cues and it has helped me beat some of the best players in the world. I have received tons of compliment on the conversion and ton of compliment on the shaft taper, quality and more importantly the amazing playability of the cue. AZ members on here probably hear my rant more about Joel work than anyone. If anyone knows me, they know I love Joel work and it well deserved.

I don't know who you are and what beef you have with me but if you need to discuss any issue...you're welcome to contact me directly at 646-824-7092.

The US Open has been fun and the action at Q-master was great. Anyone know if Alcano won the bet last night? Was up till 3 AM plus watching these guys.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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