TAR 30, and the winner is...
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1. I don't think SVB or Daz looked like amateurs on the table. They missed some shots that they wouldn't miss on the bigger pocket. I thought most misses were obvious .. given great camera work, I could often guess the miss as soon as it went toward the hole. Tight pocket also means there are other factors that comes into play such as better position play, safety and etc. I think the big difference in the break made all the difference in the outcome. I don't mind the misses and trading blows between two players.
2. I don't agree with your golf analogy about hole size 'cause in the major tournaments, they with tighten the course, shave the green, put the pin in tough spots, and grow the rough to insane length that will separate the men from the boys. I'd like to think tight pockets will do the same.
I actually thought I was the winner 'cause listening to JJ on the mike, I actually learned a lot about the game such as position play and what goes into their thought process in selecting what shot to choose. It was worth $35.
I didn't say they looked like amateurs, but did say that their fans, who are accustomed to better, saw what appeared to be a lower level of performance. Yes, if you are a casual fan who watched Turning Stone last weekend, you certainly would have concluded that Shane was playing a far inferior brand of pool in TAR 30 than he played last week.
You are, however, correct in that the true afficianado and/or top notch player of pool is able to discern the difference in difficulty and modify his/her expectations of the professional players involved. I just don't think that most viewers are able to do this, which is why I feel the play, which isn't sloppy, will be viewed as sloppy by many.
How tight is the table?? The play on is a Brunswick GC III with 4 1/8" pockets and I think it plays perfect!! Any tighter than this and the play ability of any table suffers. Hate 4" pockets unless you are playing one-pocket.
These guys should be able to adjust to any condition on any table anywhere at anytime. Im not putting theses champions down but its nice to see them get humbled at times
Its time to get FOCUSED and maybe then you can run racks :wink:
These guys should be able to adjust to any condition on any table anywhere at anytime. Im not putting theses champions down but its nice to see them get humbled at times
Its time to get FOCUSED and maybe then you can run racks :wink:
if shane had a been playing johnny this bad he would have got beat again.
Dam fine post
How tight is the table?? The play on is a Brunswick GC III with 4 1/8" pockets and I think it plays perfect!! Any tighter than this and the play ability of any table suffers. Hate 4" pockets unless you are playing one-pocket.
These guys should be able to adjust to any condition on any table anywhere at anytime. Im not putting theses champions down but its nice to see them get humbled at times
Its time to get FOCUSED and maybe then you can run racks :wink:
Spot on, it's not the tables fault they couldn't get out.
Didn't Shane say in the podcast he had been playing on the table and had put together some packages on it. I think it's when they were ask to guess the biggest package that would be run
Thanks for your input Hidy Ho. I'm glad I am not the only one that thought Jeremy Jones commentary was extremely informative. He describes what's happening at the table so well. His style in the booth from shot to shot was like a great instructional video!! I also got to see him match up in Calif. 2 weeks ago and the set of one pocket he played on Santos was a 1 pkt clinic I will never forget!! He is a monster and after hearing his commentary now I know why. He knows what the heck he's doing:thumbup:
havent watched the tar match but i want to add this..how many people go into a poolroom to play straight pool on what is deemed "triple shimmed" or super tight?not many becasue its not the way its meant to be played..one pocket is meant to be played on a very tight tough table.
rotation should be played on a table that accepts well hit balls from similar angles,not sloppy touches the rail 3 times on the way in properly hit balls,
all of the good players here and elsewhere have practice or warm up shots that they could probably rocket into a snooker pocket on a rainy day.
when players need to shy away from something that comes up multiple times a match or even worse miss what would normally be a key ball or traditional shot in a particular game the the table isnt tough its the wrong table.
i am not saying anyone should be playing on buckets,trust me i hate them
but if 4 1/2 or 4 1/4 doesnt accept balls down the rail then the game being played is not the game you came in for
rotation should be played on a table that accepts well hit balls from similar angles,not sloppy touches the rail 3 times on the way in properly hit balls,
all of the good players here and elsewhere have practice or warm up shots that they could probably rocket into a snooker pocket on a rainy day.
when players need to shy away from something that comes up multiple times a match or even worse miss what would normally be a key ball or traditional shot in a particular game the the table isnt tough its the wrong table.
i am not saying anyone should be playing on buckets,trust me i hate them
but if 4 1/2 or 4 1/4 doesnt accept balls down the rail then the game being played is not the game you came in for
How tight is the table?? The play on is a Brunswick GC III with 4 1/8" pockets and I think it plays perfect!! Any tighter than this and the play ability of any table suffers. Hate 4" pockets unless you are playing one-pocket.
These guys should be able to adjust to any condition on any table anywhere at anytime. Im not putting theses champions down but its nice to see them get humbled at times
Its time to get FOCUSED and maybe then you can run racks :wink:
This is a GC3 with a Diamond slate and 4 1/2" corner pockets, notice how far in the jaws of the pocket the balls sits.
This is a GC3 with the same 4 1/2" corner pockets, notice how far OUT the ball sits in the pocket
Now, just try and imagine how far OUT of the throat of the pocket a ball sits on a GC3 with 4" corner pockets
...how about almost all the way OUT, making it a small target...but a huge pocket because the balls can't rattle in the pocket...they just drop because there's NO slate for the balls to sit on. Glen
I watched the match live in studio. Not one ball went in that i felt should not of. Maybe 10 or so shots i was left shaking my head. Shane made a ball on the second or third to last rack of day two (bottom left pocket) which he loaded up the inside and forked it down the rail. You couldn't hit the shot any better but the table almost squeeled with displeasure before accepting the ball. Reminded me of slamming into second gear on my first car.
That thing is only made for one pocket. Too tough for anyone but a handful of top pros. The lay of the ball predicates what kind of shot and speed you select. The sides looked ok so you saw both men going into them from some sharp angles instead of rolling the dice down into the corner.
Great match. Daz can really spin his ball into tight shape positions. Mike D and SVB should be epic.
That thing is only made for one pocket. Too tough for anyone but a handful of top pros. The lay of the ball predicates what kind of shot and speed you select. The sides looked ok so you saw both men going into them from some sharp angles instead of rolling the dice down into the corner.
Great match. Daz can really spin his ball into tight shape positions. Mike D and SVB should be epic.
TAR's tries to do what's right for the players, but they might have accidentally gone too far. I don't know if it's due to the subtle change Cobra mentioned or some other factor. But the pool I saw was not exciting.
Zero break'n'runs for a two-time US Open Champion, and world 10b champion? Sorry... off-day or not, that's unthinkable.
This stuff about "the table doesn't favor darren's style" makes no sense. His 'style' is to play pool at world champion speed. He can hit a ball hard, soft, with spin, without spin, and everything in between. You can't reach his level without those skills. If that's not good enough for a certain table, then we need to fix the table... darren doesn't need to "fix" his game.
I've seen a lot of guys talk about the TAR 'free roll' as if it's just a simple paid exhibition. I don't agree with that, but if it's true, let's make this exhibition a little more entertaining. I'm not gonna pony up 35 bucks to watch a world champion put up a 0-pack.
Zero break'n'runs for a two-time US Open Champion, and world 10b champion? Sorry... off-day or not, that's unthinkable.
This stuff about "the table doesn't favor darren's style" makes no sense. His 'style' is to play pool at world champion speed. He can hit a ball hard, soft, with spin, without spin, and everything in between. You can't reach his level without those skills. If that's not good enough for a certain table, then we need to fix the table... darren doesn't need to "fix" his game.
I've seen a lot of guys talk about the TAR 'free roll' as if it's just a simple paid exhibition. I don't agree with that, but if it's true, let's make this exhibition a little more entertaining. I'm not gonna pony up 35 bucks to watch a world champion put up a 0-pack.
Just a question
Why should a table be perfect for one pocket and not ten ball? You are hitting the same size ball in both games. I have never understood it. Explain please?
Why should a table be perfect for one pocket and not ten ball? You are hitting the same size ball in both games. I have never understood it. Explain please?
hmmm, maybe one pocket tables should only have 2 pockets...ya think?
This is a GC3 with a Diamond slate and 4 1/2" corner pockets, notice how far in the jaws of the pocket the balls sits.
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This is a GC3 with the same 4 1/2" corner pockets, notice how far OUT the ball sits in the pocket
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Now, just try and imagine how far OUT of the throat of the pocket a ball sits on a GC3 with 4" corner pockets
Glen
So Glen, what you're saying is:
1. The smaller you make the pockets on a GC (with original GC slate), the more the slate "recedes" back into the playing surface (because of the semi-circle cut in the slate), leaving less of a shelf for a ball to hang-up on.
2. That this is somehow a disadvantage -- i.e. there should be enough slate there for balls to hang-up deeply into a pocket aperture.
I'm not sure I understand why. Other than very poorly-hit balls that touch high-up on the cushion as they are traveling down the rail (and then hit the opposing chiseled pocket facing), I'm not sure I understand why there's a reason to "brag" about deep shelves in pockets -- presumably to hang balls up in the pockets.
Eager to hear an explanation for that. (I'm not being sarcastic, btw. I'm genuinely intrigued to hear why this is an "advantage.")
-Sean
TAR 30, and the winner is...
FYI
The table for TAR #30 is the exact same table used in many of the previous matches!
There was new cloth put on - but other than that, this is the same table that SVB and Dennis O. played the 8-ball.
SVB ran a 7 pack; Dennis ran a couple of 3-packs, After 2-3 innings, it was 7-7.
Also the same table that SVB ran 7 racks of 10-ball on Alex.
Busty played almost perfect - after 12 games or so he was .950 +.
The new cloth should have made it play a little easier, but I think it was just the players had a hard time adjusting.
It is not a trick table - it is a normal table with 4-1/8 pockets. (Not shimmed!)
Mark Griffin
FYI
The table for TAR #30 is the exact same table used in many of the previous matches!
There was new cloth put on - but other than that, this is the same table that SVB and Dennis O. played the 8-ball.
SVB ran a 7 pack; Dennis ran a couple of 3-packs, After 2-3 innings, it was 7-7.
Also the same table that SVB ran 7 racks of 10-ball on Alex.
Busty played almost perfect - after 12 games or so he was .950 +.
The new cloth should have made it play a little easier, but I think it was just the players had a hard time adjusting.
It is not a trick table - it is a normal table with 4-1/8 pockets. (Not shimmed!)
Mark Griffin
it was stated
the rails are different along with the angle of the facings. Isn't that correct?
the rails are different along with the angle of the facings. Isn't that correct?