Bill,have you been dropped on your head alot lately,it sure sounds like it?
Teaching our children to gamble/hussle
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Bill,have you been dropped on your head alot lately,it sure sounds like it?
The day of the Hustle is about gone. Today very few know anything about it and it's even harder in a pool room as odds are someone is going to recognize the hustler and he is going to be knocked in about 9.4 seconds.
I believe gambling might be on the rise, but not as we knowit in the pool halls. There are casinos and poker games as often as you see McDonalds these days.
The number of what we term degenerate gamblers aren't in or hanging around the pool halls these days.
As dark a picture as most want to paint about pool and pool halls, I feel some need a new perspective or better insight.
i wonder if the pool world will ever recover from the Movie,"The Hustler"?
Gambling is not the same thing as hustling. There should never be a gambling/hustling in a question. Gambling is a wager between two informed parties on the outcome of a event where the odds are not hidden. Hustling is the act of purposely hiding the odds of an outcome in an attempt to do little more then steal from a person who is unaware of the reality of the situation.
They are two entirely different things. If you are "teaching" your kid how to gamble it can actually make them more aware of things so that they don't get taken later in life. I used to go to the dog races with my folks when I was a kid, we bet, we usually lost, I learned alot about the gambling industry so that by the time I was an adult and going to Vegas I did not get duped into believing the movies and instead knew the real deal on gambling.
Teaching a kid how to hustle? Now you are teaching them how to in effect steal from people. You might as well be taking your kid along with you while you sell siding to a old person with alzheimers for 500% more then it's retail value because they don't know any better. NOW what you are doing is simply teaching your kid how to be a thief, same thing with pool hustling where you hide your speed and take money from people who in reality have no chance to win. That is NOT gambling.
They are two entirely different things. If you are "teaching" your kid how to gamble it can actually make them more aware of things so that they don't get taken later in life. I used to go to the dog races with my folks when I was a kid, we bet, we usually lost, I learned alot about the gambling industry so that by the time I was an adult and going to Vegas I did not get duped into believing the movies and instead knew the real deal on gambling.
Teaching a kid how to hustle? Now you are teaching them how to in effect steal from people. You might as well be taking your kid along with you while you sell siding to a old person with alzheimers for 500% more then it's retail value because they don't know any better. NOW what you are doing is simply teaching your kid how to be a thief, same thing with pool hustling where you hide your speed and take money from people who in reality have no chance to win. That is NOT gambling.
I don't gamble and/or hustle....I did not teach my kids to gamble and hustle. All it takes is being married to a chronic gambling addict to take the taste right out of your mouth. I lost everything I owned 3x over.
As a casino dealer, I saw first hand what a toll gambling can take. I had a regular get in so deep, she didn't know how to get out, and took her own life...leaving her wheelchair bound husband to attempt to pick up the pieces of a broken life.
Lisa
As a casino dealer, I saw first hand what a toll gambling can take. I had a regular get in so deep, she didn't know how to get out, and took her own life...leaving her wheelchair bound husband to attempt to pick up the pieces of a broken life.
Lisa
Are you serious? Less common among world class players? I just went down the 2011 BCA Mens Points List and got tired of counting the world class players that used to, and still do, hustle.... Most of the ones I didn't count are Europeans that I don't have a clue about what they have done. Hell, even most of the Fillipinos have hustled here in the states...
The wanna-be or slimy hustlers don't make much money, and for good reason, they're creeps.
The true hustlers that are good at what they do and are out looking for people that gamble and are looking to give it away? They make as much, or almost as much, as the top 2 or 3 players in the world make playing in tourneys. When they leave town the people they played and the people hanging around aren't saying "those dirty, low life, blah blah blah...". They had a good time blowing their money and were entertained for it.... They'll ask the hustler to get something to eat, maybe invite them to their house, give them spots to go to, etc... One guy once told us that "I don't give a sh!t about the money... Watching you two do your thing is better than going to the movies!". The good ones don't get threatened and never have any issue because of what they do. If it is so wrong they would be the best customers at the ER.
i sent Pot's and Pan's into a joint in Denver years ago and showed up later pretending not to know him. most thought he was dead drunk and jumped all over him. Funny thing is, he didn't drink.
He ended up playing this Asian Kid, a fair player, 8 ball on a bar table. P&P had the miscue down pat.
The kid never won a game and he took about $2000 out of a joint that never had that much won or lost in 45 days. his act was so good and my knowing what was going on, I still wanted to bet against him. That was in 1991 and the last real hustle I saw.
When he left, nobody was mad or even very upset. He could have gone back and done it again I believe but he refused.
What was funny to me is that I was the one they were mad at. They said that I knew him and must have been in with him. If they knew all that, why did they fall for it? That is an easy answer, because they thought he was drunk and could steal from the guy.
larceny is a killer!
I have a friend who is going through this now with a significant other. This person is going to bring my friend down, but they're "in love". My friend know's better but can't seem to find a way out. It's hard to watch when you're pretty sure how the story will end, but they are adults. All I can do is listen and offer support.
This is the factor some people ignore or forget about.
I remember being in a pool room years ago , when a well known gamblers young wife came in and asked him for some money to go to the store.
He nonchalantly said he had just blown it all, and she asked him what she was supposed to do for diapers and milk for their babies.
Anybody else been there?
Be sure to teach them how to properly spell hustle first 
Staying on point though, do you think that guy is a chronic gambling addict because his parents got him into it?
Gambling, alchohol, any of the vices in life are better introduced to people by their parents long before those people become of legal age and go out and learn about them on their own. Whether a parent introduces their kids to this type of stuff or not does not change the reality that they ARE going to going to get introduced to them irregardless. So the real question is "what is the best way for people to be introduced to the vices that life offers?"
There used to be a saying that the only people who succeed in business are thieves and con men. I actually believe this to a certain extent. Maybe that's why I'm broke all the time.
We are today at a transition point for what defines success. Today's entrepreneurial youth will succeed by being committed to the good of all through change. IOW, a person won't be measured by how deep their pockets are. Money shouldn't be a measuring stick for success.
I truly feel this is how things are and CHANGE should be our theme. It's obvious that the only way to defeat the thieves and con men is changing the way we allow them to walk all over us, behind doors.
I've been around a hustler who is very kind, smart, and compassionate about life and his friends. It is the thieves and con men that are undeserving of their thrown. We should change this.
BTW, will I get killed for practicing my freedom of speech?....cuz JAM started all this change and revolution crap.
Jerry, I can use all the $5 lawn mowings, $2 car washes and $1 house dustings you can provide. Please send those kids over. Right away. Once a week, even. Or more.
(Nice talking to you in Cheasapeake, too)
Eric
Why does my bullsheet meter go nuts whenever i hear this?
Don't take it personally, I don't know you. I do know some very good poolplayers that couldn't pay for the first half of dinner with Pool winnings, though. VERY GOOD poolplayers.
Eric
Any good hustlers ears go up when they hear, "I put myself through college playing pool" in a bar or poolroom. 99% of them can't beat a rug. Johnnyt
I do not think I would wish a gambling addict on anyone....it sucks more than one can possibly know, without actually going through it. With drugs and alcohol, the devastating effects typically take place over a period of time. With a gambling addiction, the devastating effects can take place in very short order.
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Shouldn't teach gambling........
What should be examined is risk and return within legal means. I too got way more from education than pool but my playing got better in during the school years...esp closer to rent time. Now I wish to make a few cues and explore that...a business end of a gambling business?
By looking at risk and return we are able to weigh the odds and proceed with a decision. Nominal gambling provides a small value for a larger value gained namely; I need to be better, play safe once in a while (my hardest lesson) or whatever. I pay my children for some chores (hardest) and we play win dad's money on the table...they really don't wager all that much....the risk is that much greater at this point in their playing career...every once in a while they will go to a local torney and are the best armchair QB's out there...meaning they do pay attention.
Good luck to all.
What should be examined is risk and return within legal means. I too got way more from education than pool but my playing got better in during the school years...esp closer to rent time. Now I wish to make a few cues and explore that...a business end of a gambling business?
By looking at risk and return we are able to weigh the odds and proceed with a decision. Nominal gambling provides a small value for a larger value gained namely; I need to be better, play safe once in a while (my hardest lesson) or whatever. I pay my children for some chores (hardest) and we play win dad's money on the table...they really don't wager all that much....the risk is that much greater at this point in their playing career...every once in a while they will go to a local torney and are the best armchair QB's out there...meaning they do pay attention.
Good luck to all.