Throwing Your Cue....
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Dave...I'll take you up on that bet...at $100 a shot. We'll set it up on YOUR table, and record it to dvd, so we can analyze it in slow-motion, stop-action. I'll know I'll come away with the cash, because not even Kinister can make that 'replacement' shot exactly accurate anywhere NEAR what he claims in his video (we'll use hole reinforcements and a laser to create a perfectly straight line, 4 diamonds between the CB & OB). Better start practicing buddy! 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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SpiderWebComm said:
Scott Lee said:Dave...I beg to differ. I do NOT "release and catch" my cue. My cue NEVER slips or slides in my grip hand. I use a very light grip, and finish my stroke...that's all. I do, however, talk about the concept of "throwing the cue", without letting go of the cue...which is completely different from what you're doing in your video.
Scott-
I remember in Vegas when you gave me that advice. I used to let the cue slide sometimes in my hand, and your video showed it clearly. It is amazing how that one single piece of information that you gave me, namely the arm being perpendicular to the ground at CB contact, can make such a big difference. Mosconi and Jimmy Moore both had slip strokes, but the concept is to get the same result without losing the cue.
While not to the extreme in the video, when I am in dead stroke there is definately a slight "slip" in my stroke. I maintain very light grip pressure all of the time, or try to at least, and the "slip" while small, feels very natural and always under control. Rep to you, good topic.
Scott, which one is straighter?Scott Lee said:
Slipping the cue or your salute stroke?
I've come to the conclusion by aiming the salute to the line of the shot is the best way of shooting as straight as possible.
Joey...The 'salute' stroke, aka the pure pendulum swing, is a better choice, imo. Easier to develop, and more accurate and repeatable! On the instructional video, we call it "finishing your stroke, according to your personal shooting template"!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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JoeyInCali said:
Beware_of_Dawg said:
Dawg-
You're the nuts. I promise my tone was cool during my last post to you. I was in "work mode" at work when I typed it. Sorry if I came across too business-like!
Shot #1 is the OB about a ball or two off the rail on the second diamond from the corner pocket, the CB on the 2nd diamond near the other corner pocket on the same side of the table. You make the OB and "replace" it with the CB. Upon impact, the CB makes a 1/2 revolution and creeps forward 2 inches.
Dave
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Roy Steffensen said:Spider: your avatar improved 100 %
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I changed it for you, brother.
Dave
Scott Lee said:Dave...I'll take you up on that bet...at $100 a shot. We'll set it up on YOUR table, and record it to dvd, so we can analyze it in slow-motion, stop-action. I'll know I'll come away with the cash, because not even Kinister can make that 'replacement' shot exactly accurate anywhere NEAR what he claims in his video (we'll use hole reinforcements and a laser to create a perfectly straight line, 4 diamonds between the CB & OB). Better start practicing buddy!
Scott Lee
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If I'm clicking right, you and I can take turns on the shot for $100. Start practicing buddy! That way, nerves come into play for both of us. No free sweat action on a tough shot when the nerves increase for one-side only when a failed shot occurs (more than 1 ball forward roll, stop shots no good). If you recall, I mentioned in that post I wasn't saying I shoot that at will.... no one does. I just said I shoot it at a pretty good % when I'm in stroke.
Scott, I love ya man. I'd never gamble with you. Good for you with this post, you're support to say that if someone is stupid enough for 1-sided action. Each mess up makes the shot 10x harder, progressively. Equal action makes it good action, however.
Dave...I'll pass, thanks! At that distance, to play a PERFECT replacement shot (no movement forwards, backwards, or sideways) is low percentage for almost anybody. From 2 diamonds, though, you got a bet (however, we'll bet something practical...like best of 10 tries for dinner!)! I don't need to practice...I demonstrate that shot daily...both to show how difficult it is, and also how impractical it is, from long distances...just like the "super draw" shots that have been posted recently! These kinds of shots come up rarely in a game, and imo, it's much more important, and practical, to be able to perfectly execute a PERFECT stop shot (from any distance), and to be able to draw the CB 6" to 3', rather than 12'-15'!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I don't need to practice...I demonstrate that shot daily...both to show how difficult it is, and also how impractical it is, from long distances...just like the "super draw" shots that have been posted recently! These kinds of shots come up rarely in a game, and imo, it's much more important, and practical, to be able to perfectly execute a PERFECT stop shot (from any distance), and to be able to draw the CB 6" to 3', rather than 12'-15'!Scott Lee
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SpiderWebComm said:
I find that a loose grip gets more action on the cueball and the object ball has less energy. The same exact shot with a tighter grip has the reverse effect. With a tighter grip the cueball seems to travel less and the object ball seems to have more energy. All variables being the same on the shots ..............just a different amount of grip pressure.Scott Lee said:
The original post was about throwing and dropping the cue, not about a slip stroke.
Throwing a cue through the cue ball before or after letting go of the cue is nonsense. It has little to no benefit to consistently pocketing balls. It is a joke as far as advice goes when compared to practicing and obtaining a correct and repeatable pendulum type stroke. Adding a "release" to the stroking motion just adds one more thing to control and one more way for the cue to go off the intended line of aim. Just as the release is a MAJOR component in throwing a ball, throwing a dart, etc.
IMO if you have a straight stroke, but are steering at the end on some shots, the issue is in your mental game. Not in the stroke itself.
Chuck
BTW Iceman Nagy could run 400 anyway he chose because of immense talent and skill, not because of a circus act stroke he may have used occasionally.
Throwing a cue through the cue ball before or after letting go of the cue is nonsense. It has little to no benefit to consistently pocketing balls. It is a joke as far as advice goes when compared to practicing and obtaining a correct and repeatable pendulum type stroke. Adding a "release" to the stroking motion just adds one more thing to control and one more way for the cue to go off the intended line of aim. Just as the release is a MAJOR component in throwing a ball, throwing a dart, etc.
IMO if you have a straight stroke, but are steering at the end on some shots, the issue is in your mental game. Not in the stroke itself.
Chuck
BTW Iceman Nagy could run 400 anyway he chose because of immense talent and skill, not because of a circus act stroke he may have used occasionally.
I use a slip stoke a lot. Especially with my break. For me, its the straightest way to stroke through the cue ball. But I cannot for the life of me see how not catching the cue would improve the stroke. Its not even that I catch the cue, it just naturally falls into my hand and catching takes no thought at all.
Not to change the subject but I see no reason to start a whole different thread so here goes.
Iw as watching your video about reflection banking. When you said the right side of the CB reflection to the center of the OB reflection is this what you meant?
Sorry for the poor graphics. The lines of course are supposed to be the light reflection off the balls.
MULLY
Iw as watching your video about reflection banking. When you said the right side of the CB reflection to the center of the OB reflection is this what you meant?
Sorry for the poor graphics. The lines of course are supposed to be the light reflection off the balls.
MULLY
I am going to say throw the cue a little harder and aim for the garbage. You shouldn't own a cue or play pool. I have no idea what has been posted about this, but I can only hope everyone finds it strange... crazy '*****' strange... For anyone agreeing with this, I can arrange 1800 got junk to go around and gather the cues, just pick up the CB and roll it. A CB can only roll in a straight line (if you roll on vertical axis).
Man this site is getting hard to read lately. Throwing cues to shoot straighter??? Next!
Man this site is getting hard to read lately. Throwing cues to shoot straighter??? Next!