Tony Vs Dennis Chit Chat Thread

[actionplayer]

Dennis has also repeatedly sharked Tony by interrupting his shot to fiddle with/move around balls in the ball return.

yes i noticed that too and mentioned in the chat. DO is certainly a top player no doubt but when Jay and others in the booth saying how he a top drawer sportsman thats the tilting point.

He has had numerous upon numerous demonstrations where he has sharked opponents quit games, not shook hands slow played etc etc

And the fact he and KO pulled the wool over everyones eyes with that BS money match where they cashed in the stream money was shady and wanting to do it again with SVB

i for one hope tony stomps him this final day

 

[JoeyInCali]

The fact is slowing the game down big time is a move. It should not be allowed in a sport period. I am surprised they are allowing it to happen in this mega match.

They should utilize a shot clock for today's part of the match. Better late than never. Keep in mind this is America not the Philippines.

If Dennis and Danny Basavitch played a race to 10 one-hole, it would take a few days. :grin:

 

[Tooler]

Dennis has a reputation for gamesmanship in matches. I remember a while ago he committed a foul where he hit the wrong ball first and said "I am used to a ref calling those things" as to the reason he did not call the foul himself.

One of a few pros I would not want to play with due to their reputation.

LoL.... yeah, him and pumkin head both....

"what? me?"......

 

[Tooler]

Dennis has also repeatedly sharked Tony by interrupting his shot to fiddle with/move around balls in the ball return.

And, the multiple, Multiple times he's grabbed Tony's chalk, and walked off with it.

 

[overlord]

If Dennis and Danny Basavitch played a race to 10 one-hole, it would take a few days. :grin:

If you had 50 K on the line this would be more than academic. I am really surprised they are allowing it. Real sports have clocks. End of story.

 

[Black-Balled]

If you had 50 K on the line this would be more than academic. I am really surprised they are allowing it. Real sports have clocks. End of story.

I take the fact that it is his 50k to mean he gets to decide what stipulations he will play under.

I doubt the match would have happeed with a shot clock.

 

[jazznpool]

Dennis does certainly slow play people on purpose to get them irritated and out of rhythm. I expect him to do so even worse tonight .

That's why a 2 minute shot clock should be negotiated into the game. Even 2 minutes is a long time.

Toward the end of last night Tony got tired and it cost him at least 2-3 games. Dennis is the most consistent and precise best ball pocketer and position player I've seen. This could go either way now. The people who gave up 6, 7 and 8 games to wager on Dennis are most likely losers.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

And, the multiple, Multiple times he's grabbed Tony's chalk, and walked off with it.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it again. I believe that Dennis is kind-of naive and goofy. If Tony would make a ball in Dennis' pocket during his run, Dennis would right away and go grab that one ball and put it on his side. He obviously is doing this to make sure that Tony doesn't mistakenly take is ball when Tony's run is over.

However, I really don't play much one-pocket, so I'm not sure about the established etiquette with this. But I assume that Dennis should stay away from the table and to just verbally remind Tony of the ball made in his pocket after Tony's inning has ended. I don't think Dennis was intentionally sharking, but Dennis quick grabbing his ball to me is just a naive thing, as rude as it appears. I really think that Dennis doesn't realize many of the accepted rules of etiquette.

 

[overlord]

I take the fact that it is his 50k to mean he gets to decide what stipulations he will play under.

I doubt the match would have happeed with a shot clock.

At Derby City and the Make it Happen Accu-Stats tournaments they have shot clocks. Could you imagine a football or basketball game without a clock?

My point is I don't think its fair to Tony.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

I prefer watching one-pocket when there is a shot clock. But in a gambling match where Dennis clearly doesn't have as much experience with the game, I doubt that Dennis would agree to play with a clock.

Heck, yesterday for a while even with Dennis taking a really long time on the shots, he chose some really dumb shots that virtually no experienced one-pocket player would have taken.

 

[ribdoner]

At Derby City and the Make it Happen Accu-Stats tournaments they have shot clocks. Could you imagine a football or basketball game without a clock?

My point is I don't think its fair to Tony.

inclusion of a shot clock should have been stipulated as a condition prior to cracking the first rack

perhaps DO will agree to one when they tee off again

 

[ribdoner]

I prefer watching one-pocket when there is a shot clock. But in a gambling match where Dennis clearly doesn't have as much experience with the game, I doubt that Dennis would agree to play with a clock.

Heck, yesterday for a while even with Dennis taking a really long time on the shots, he chose some really dumb shots that virtually no experienced one-pocket player would have taken.

"stalling" via poor position play and/or shot selection is less obvious than pounding balls into the rails

 

[Mike Davis]

Shot clock

Pool absolutely does need a shot clock. There's no way Dennis or his backers would agree to switch it up and start using one tonight though.

If pool is ever going to become a popular mainstream sport like we all hope we will need a shot clock. 30 seconds max for rotation games and one pocket will never appeal to the general public but would get a few more spectators if there were a shot clock on it as well. We also need neutral rackers in 9/10 ball to avoid the arguing and 5 minutes of reracking that happens at some tournaments.

 

[overlord]

I prefer watching one-pocket when there is a shot clock. But in a gambling match where Dennis clearly doesn't have as much experience with the game, I doubt that Dennis would agree to play with a clock.

Heck, yesterday for a while even with Dennis taking a really long time on the shots, he chose some really dumb shots that virtually no experienced one-pocket player would have taken.

How do you beat all the best players in the game and not have experience? Sports have a clock. You get a finite amount of time to play and that's it. Even Chess has a clock.


These slow players drive me crazy. I was playing a guy that is known as Slow__________, I asked him to speed up because it was ridiculous. His answer was he did not play slow.

I asked him why they called him Slow_________? He said he didn't know and didn't play slow.

This dude takes minutes on a straight in shot to his pocket.

I was playing a guy that was known for playing really slow so finally I decided I would take twice as long to shoot as he did.

I would walk around get up, get down, stroke at a ball get up and then when I was just about to pull the trigger, I got up and went to the bathroom. The dude went crazy. These cats hate their own medicine.

Not all the time but most of the time slow play is a move.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

How do you beat all the best players in the game and not have experience?

He doesn't have as much experience with the game to SEE THE BEST SHOT quickly. That's what I meant. If he takes his time and studies every shot for a few minutes, like he's been doing, obviously he then has the skills to execute the best shot. I didn't think that I had to explain my comment to this level of detail, but here you go.

 

[Quesports]

Well this has turned out just great, but it is going to cost my local pool hall some money. Normally I go out on Friday to play some and have a beer or two. NOT TONIGHT! This has become a great match. I agree with Mike's comment above and see no way a shot clock will be brought in at this stage. Anyway great match up and great one pocket. Tony does seem to have some troubles the longer it goes so we will just have to see what happens tonight..

 

[Ekojasiloop]

The thing is Dennis is even laboring over offensive shots that are quite obvious. But, at this point I think he's going to win so more power to him, I just don't know how he does it is all his rythem is just garbage.

 

[gxman]

I think the stream had as high as 2700 viewers? I was on/off at work on my cell, so not positive.

That's more than a lot of 9b and 10b final matches if I remember right.

Tony was able to play Shane til 6am. He's got some endurance in him.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Something else should be noted. Is Dennis "generally" a slow player when playing rotation games? I would say "no".

Dennis clearly is not as comfortable with one-pocket, so his "routine" has turned into over-analysis to find the correct shot, combined with getting up and down many times to be able to execute the shots (probably because one-pocket usually doesn't let someone get warmed up and in stroke).

I take it that Dennis is naturally doing what he feels that he needs to do to play well and win. Period.


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[HawaiianEye]

I take the fact that it is his 50k to mean he gets to decide what stipulations he will play under.

I doubt the match would have happeed with a shot clock.

I agree!

If you take a match you don't like, then you suffer the consequences if you haven't negotiated that into the match beforehand.

Personally, I prefer faster pace and don't like "slow rollers". That is one reason I don't like playing one-pocket. Most one-pocket-only players don't like a face-paced game...it takes away the "stall" option from them.